20mph speed limits in Wales

giff77 wrote:

Before they completed the Maybole Bypass the main rd dropped from a 60 to a 20 for the town. They did after a while put in a buffer of 30. Even then people still struggle. You get warning signs from 300 yds out that the limit is changing so the here's time to mentally prepare as well as start reducing speed. I would always have other drivers practically in my boot anytime I drove down to Cairnryan at that stretch. 

I don't recall seeing anyone obey the 20 limit in Maybole, and I notice they now have a new one by the school which is ignored as well.

Oldfatgit wrote:

There's some roads around Long Niddry where the 40mph goes to 20mph with no step at 30mph. It's brutal ... and it really does feel slow. And then I think how fast the normally (unless gravity assisted) 20mph feels on my bike .. and I wish far more often than I should that I could maintain 20mph on the bike...

What's wrong with you? Drivers are claiming that they will be swarmed by overtaking cyclists if they drive at 20mph. Most of us are allegedly riding at significantly more than 20

Gonna need a lot more of these 

Funny you should use this image. I don't get the joke however...

You can put down the Committee in the Scottish parliament that looked at this a while back also.

National speed limit applies (formerly "derestricted"): a sensible and pragmatic measure applying a uniform upper speed limit everywhere.

30mph default in defined areas (e.g. "residential") which can be varied with TROs: we feel this is a sensible and pragmatic measure which doesn't hamstring local authorities (with their better knowledge of local conditions).

20mph default in defined areas (e.g. "residential") which can be varied with TROs: we feel this is an inappropriate (frankly - barmy) one-size-fits-nobody measure.  A blanket arbitrary speed limit?!  This will hamstring local authorities (who are best placed to set limits suitable for local conditions).

I had also posted on the Whingeing Entitled Dickhead Drivers topic as I was in Bangor at the weekend. The difference was striking, particulatly when walking and cycling.

TBH the roads in and around the city are so full of traffic, plus a sprinkling of traffic lights, ped crossings and one way streets that you really couldn't drive far at 30 mph+ during the day.

The moany comments online are all from people who aren't thinking about anyone else's safety, only their own convenience.

Some stats and infographics posted by 20's Plenty Wales on twitter, including that 298,519 households and 48% of lone parents households in Wales have no car.

In the end all it asks is for those capable of great harm to simply drive a little slower. Is that really so difficult?

Simon E wrote:

I had also posted on the Whingeing Entitled Dickhead Drivers topic as I was in Bangor at the weekend. The difference was striking, particulatly when walking and cycling.  [smiley]

TBH the roads in and around the city are so full of traffic, plus a sprinkling of traffic lights, ped crossings and one way streets that you really couldn't drive far at 30 mph+ during the day.

The moany comments online are all from people who aren't thinking about anyone else's safety, only their own convenience.

 
Drivers, then.

Simon E wrote:

Some stats and infographics posted by 20's Plenty Wales on twitter, including that 298,519 households and 48% of lone parents households in Wales have no car.

In the end all it asks is for those capable of great harm to simply drive a little slower. Is that really so difficult?

It’s about personal power - it has little to do with effective transportation.

David9694 wrote:

Simon E wrote:

The moany comments online are all from people who aren't thinking about anyone else's safety, only their own convenience.

 
Drivers, then.

Of course. Selfish ones (I'm a driver too).

Even my 85 year old Mum moaned about how slow it felt doing 20 mph yesterday, though she did acknowledge my point that the limit existed for the safety of other people, like me for instance.

She then said that she had been to her friend's house and wouldn't have been able to drive much faster than 20 on the roads most of the way there anyway due to the speed humps, mini-roundabouts and junctions in the short journey.

Simon E wrote:

Even my 85 year old Mum moaned about how slow it felt doing 20 mph yesterday, though she did acknowledge my point that the limit existed for the safety of other people, like me for instance.

It does, doesn't it?  I recommend a short period of training.   For a week, say, start every journey by driving at 10mph for a minute (if you can bear it / aren't murdered by others...).  Then accellerate to the "minimum speed limit" of 20mph.  Hey presto - twice as fast!