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Milan - San Remo

Well folks, as the dust settles on a cracking Paris Nice race the clock has started ticking for the Milan San Remo race.

Checked various web sites and can only find part team line ups listed so lets hope it's not a last minute thing.

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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Alan Tullett replied to nickobec | 12 years ago
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nickobec wrote:

OK for those to lazy to research DSs for the Milan San Remo by using:
Cycling Fever
CyclingNews
Cycling Archive

Here is a look at the current popular DSs (ie rode Paris Nice and now riding MSR)
S. Spilak KAT 5.7 two top 5 finishes in Paris Nice + 4th on GC. He can climb but can not finish fast. He rode for Lampre for 4 years and this is his 1st MSR. Job on Saturday is to get Freire and/or Paolini over the Poggio in the 1st group.
X. Florencio KAT 2.8 also two top 5 finishes in Paris Nice unlike Spilak can sprint, has ridden MSR 8 times before, has finished 21st, 24th twice and 25th. Probably No. 3 rider for KAT, but worth considering.
F. Gavazzi AST 9.7 3 top 10 finished in PN, unlike Spilak, 3 years with Lampre 3 MSR starts, 2009 17th, 2010 70th 2011 DNF.
A. Kristoff KAT 8.2 5 top 10 finishes this year, PN form not as good as teamate Florencio, still outside chance on a team with talented MSR riders.
S. Vandenbergh OPQ 2.7 no real form this year, never ridden MSR, prefer others.
K. Lodewyck BMC 9.6 if he starts (only showing on offical list not others) I expect he will attack, like in Qatar. Do not expect him to get over the Poggio in the 1st group in his 1st MSR. If he does though, can sprint a little.
L. Bak Lot 15.7 3 MSR starts for DNF, 121, 59. See the pattern, I expect around 30th, I would recomend investing your 15.7 elsewhere.
K. Boeckmans VCD 3.1 young rider starting he 1st MSR, always a risk. Though recent form including 2nd at Nokere Koerse behind Chicchi tell you he can finish well. A gamblers choice.
M. Bouet ALM 6.2 1 start in MSR 2010 finished 152nd, will improvem but not the type of race I see him doing that well in.

So what about the pro continetal teams and riders that you might of never heard off.
C. Betancurt ASA 6.9 impressed me in Giro Lombardi last year finished 9th alongside Gilbert and Visconti. Did a great break away on stage 6 of TA. Likely to be aggresive but the course if not lumpy enough for him, plus it is his 1st MSR.
COL other than Duarte (KM) most of the riders have not riden in Europe till this season, it showed in TA and there is more to learn in MSR, can not recommend anybody.
E. Battaglin COG 3.0 big things are expected of this young man who with young Moser (two very famous surnames) utterly dominate U23 racing in Italy last year. TA form was not exciting and at 22 probably not read for 300kms+ of racing, one for the future.
F. Failli FAR 6.0 & E. Favilli FAR 6.4 TA form on this pair nothing to get excited about. Failli did get over the Poggio in the leading group last year and finished 24th. Favilli finished 9th in the Strade Bianche two weeks back and can sprint.
P Bailetti UTE 2.9 The best contender on a weak team, this is not an "LPR Brakes" of old team. Still with the team working for him and a little luck a top 20 finish for Bailetti is not out of the question.
D Colli TT1 3.1 Ex Geox rider, riding the MSR for 1st time, decent form and sprint on him. Much more likely than Bailetti IMHO for top 20 finish.

Don't give away all the best web sites!!!!!
Got one of those but there are 3 other Italians worth considering, not too expensive and with a bit of form!!
Would like an Italian star rider but none on great form at the moment as at least one Italian has been top 5 for the last few years but who will it be this year? Modolo, I think, but I'm not brave enough to put him in. There's also a Frenchman who's done well recently but he's a bit expensive and I've put him in recently and got nothing from him.

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Squiggle replied to chrisdstripes | 12 years ago
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chrisdstripes wrote:
Mikeh789 wrote:

Nickobec, great post.

I second that. I've gone big up top with EBH, Boonen, Sagan and Freire (happy to disclose that as I'm doing rubbish so if anyone wants to copy me, be my guest!), so its encouraging that 3 of my DS are in the group Nickobec mentioned. Its a steep learning curve for a fantasy virgin!

Sure it was a good post but would have been better after the transfer deadline. Mind you I reckon there are only 3 decent possibilities mentioned there, the rest are red herrings!

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cherrypicked replied to Squiggle | 12 years ago
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Squiggle wrote:

Sure it was a good post but would have been better after the transfer deadline. Mind you I reckon there are only 3 decent possibilities mentioned there, the rest are red herrings!

Surely no harm done! As you say quite a few red herrings - actually just the hangover from P-N as the DS selected from that race.

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nickobec replied to cherrypicked | 12 years ago
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Squiggle wrote:

Sure it was a good post but would have been better after the transfer deadline. Mind you I reckon there are only 3 decent possibilities mentioned there, the rest are red herrings!

It was a hurried post, written to encouraged people to do a little research. Given the talent pool I was working with popular PN DSs and the unfamilar pro continental teams DSs I thought I picked the best available (though I admit during my research I found Fransesco Ginanni (ASA)
DS Value: 2.5 and added him to my squad) and you needed to read between the lines a little.

Top DS recommendation from the post:
L. Paolini KAT 10.5 (read what I said about other KAT riders)
X. Florencio KAT 2.8
F. Failli FAR 6.0
E. Favilli FAR 6.4

The comment on Bouet should of read prefer others from his team (hint the designated team leader who is a 7.9 DS )

Outside chances
A. Kristoff KAT 8.2 (two other KAT riders already picked, 3 if you have Fierre)
K. Boeckmans VCD 3.1 (he is on my short list for the cobbles and ardennes)
D Colli TT1 3.1

If I added a couple of guys from FDJ who performed well in the last couple of years and an Astana rider who did well in 2010, there would be no need to do any basic research like following the links to Cycling News to find out who performed well in the 2009, 2010 and 2011. Check their other race results of Cycling Archive and previous MSR results on Cycling Fever)

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Simon_MacMichael | 12 years ago
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Hmmm. Well Mrs Wiggins just tweeted that he's doing Catalunya and it's Mick Rogers who is doing MSR.

Wiggo *is* on the official start list though  39

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Simon_MacMichael | 12 years ago
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Breaking news - Wiggo in for Knees, according to IG Markets.

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Stumps replied to Simon_MacMichael | 12 years ago
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Simon_MacMichael wrote:

Breaking news - Wiggo in for Knees, according to IG Markets.

Ah bugger ! thats really knacked my team now. Mind you he might be knackered after PAN.

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Gkam84 replied to Simon_MacMichael | 12 years ago
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Breaking news - Wiggo in for Knees, according to IG Markets.

Well that opens up two possibilities, Cav is feeling well enough, but needs a drag up the climbs OR Wiggo fancies it himself  39

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Stumps | 12 years ago
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Looking at the profile the two lumps at the end might not seem to big for a pro cyclist but taking into account they have just raced over 250k it MIGHT be to much for a lot of the pure sprinters.

Might take the risk off loading up on the likes of Thor and Boonen and foregoing Cav etc.  39

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Simon_MacMichael | 12 years ago
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The RADIOSHACK NISSAN TREK line-up for Milan-Sanremo:

Milan-Sanremo (Italy) – UCI WorldTour (March 17)
Riders: Daniele Bennati, Fabian Cancellara, Tony Gallopin, Markel Irizar, Yaroslav Popovych, Gregory Rast, Hayden Roulston & Robert Wagner
Director: Luca Guercilena

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Squiggle | 12 years ago
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3 of my DS would have scored 41 points in the past. The other 2 haven't raced but are on cracking form!

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TERatcliffe26 | 12 years ago
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I wish offredo was riding  2 he was my scret weapon

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Raleigh | 12 years ago
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Thing is, I need the Walloon, Spartacus, Manx Express, Tommeke, Eddy and Peter all in the same team.

But I can't  19

So I've only got a few of them.

Also need the Dutch Australian Canadese man.

I have no idea where he's from, but his first name is an anagram of Chin Heir

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thefatcyclist | 12 years ago
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No FDJ

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nickobec replied to thefatcyclist | 12 years ago
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Yes FDJ

Squad
BONNET William
CHAINEL Steve
GERARD Arnaud
GESLIN Anthony
LADAGNOUS Matthieu
RASCH Gabriel
ROLLIN Dominique
VICHOT Arthur

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nickobec | 12 years ago
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1T4 riders for Milan San Remo
John Degenkolb, Simon Geschke, Roy Curvers & Koen de Kort have been riding the Poggio and other parts of the course today

Not a secret anymore, the starting list on cyclingfever has been updated for a full squads for 1T4, GRE, FAR & more

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TERatcliffe26 | 12 years ago
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interesting stat 3 of my star guys (dont think the other raced at all) and 3 of my domestiques (not sure where the other 2 raced) raced Tirreno

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thefatcyclist | 12 years ago
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In the last 25 years 18 winners have used Tirreno-Adriatico, 6 Paris-Nice and 1 Catalan Week as preparation for La Primavera

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chrisdstripes | 12 years ago
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Awesome, thanks!

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Simon_MacMichael | 12 years ago
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It's on Eurosport, 1340 British Eurosport 1, bit later on HD.

Coverage should kick in just before the climb of Le Manie, I think.

Coverage may start earlier on live stream on the Gazzetta dello Sport website.

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chrisdstripes | 12 years ago
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Is it on Eurosport? I've watched the TDF since childhood ("is it Roche? It IS Roche!") but am only this season getting into the full calendar, which is amazing. So I've never seen a Monument on telly (which I doubt will help my fantasy chances...)
It looks like not many DS riders will score, with all the big guns present, so do you just focus on your top 4, or do you work on the premise that if you do have the one DS that scores big points, you'll have the edge on everyone else? Hmm.  39

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nickobec | 12 years ago
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@meninblack part of your DS problem is that only 120 of the 200 starters have been announced. Of those the bulk are the "names" ie the star riders. Only 5 teams FDJ, OPQ,SKY, SAX & VCD have named their full compliment of 8 riders. Once the other 20 teams, especially the DS heavy teams like EUS and Pro-Con ASA, COG, FAR announce their full compliment, the DS pool will double.

Another issues involved are the bracket creep of riders who were DS last year to star riders, particularly in certain teams, eg SKY, MOV, VCD (ie 30% of their riders).

Milan San Remo is as monument, so any rider who thinks he can win it (ie every PC or AR in the game) will want to ride it. Teams will enter their best riders for multiple chances. So it is a very "star" rider heavy race compared to any of the earlier races this season. This is reflected in the results from the past few years, 16 of last years top 20 are "star" riders.

That said, I don't think you are looking hard enough at the DSs, I have just found a 4th DS while researching this post in good form who has performed well at this distance and terrain in the past and only one is valued over 6 points.

As for Sprinters or ARs, look who has won the race in the past few years. One pure all rounder in Cancellera, a couple of pure sprinter in Cav, Petachhi, Cippolini most I would classify as hardy sprinters like Goss, Fierre, Pozatto, Bettini riders who are unlikely to win from mass bunch sprints, but will do from a group of 20 or so riders after a hard day in the saddle.

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orli replied to nickobec | 12 years ago
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nickobec wrote:

Another issue... [is] the bracket creep of riders who were DS last year to star riders...

I wish we could get that issue fixed... It's a little disheartening...  2

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meninblack | 12 years ago
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Until now, Milano San Remo is maybe the most difficult race to predict, above all, the DS riders. I can't find any interesting DS rider. I was thinking of choosing cheap DS like Bouhanni, Demare, Sutton, Meersman... but nobody is in the startlist!!!! maybe Guardini, but I'm afraid thatt it's too difficult race for him and probably he will not in the first group.

In leaders group I'm in doubt choosing 4 sprinters (Cavendish, Greipel, Farrar, Sagan, Petacchi, Boonen, Bennati, Haussler,...) or 4 allrounders (Cancellara, Gilbert, Ballan, Breschel, Van Avermaet, Boom, Nibali, Pozzato...) but I've one think clear, I will not combine sprinters and allrounders, so, white or black, 200 points or 0 points haha  3

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lucas replied to meninblack | 12 years ago
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... I'm... choosing 4 sprinters (Cavendish, Greipel, Farrar, Sagan, Petacchi, Boonen, Bennati, Haussler,...) or 4 allrounders (Cancellara, Gilbert, Ballan, Breschel, Van Avermaet, Boom, Nibali, Pozzato...) but... I will not combine sprinters and allrounders, so, white or black, 200 points or 0 points...

Brave man! I think I'll go for a mix! I like Greipel and Farrar but I just don't know if they'll hang till the end!  7

Cipollini won this, right? And Cavendish, but I have little faith that these two might make the final selection... Have Greipel or Farrar raced this before?...

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nickobec replied to lucas | 12 years ago
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lucas wrote:

Cipollini won this, right?

2002

lucas wrote:

And Cavendish,

2010

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but I have little faith that these two might make the final selection... Have Greipel or Farrar raced this before?...

2011, Griepel was with the leading group, but got dropped on one final climbs and finished 4 minutes down.

2011, Farrar main bunch 5 minutes back, 2010 again main bunch this time 1:40 back

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Simon_MacMichael replied to lucas | 12 years ago
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Brave man! I think I'll go for a mix! I like Greipel and Farrar but I just don't know if they'll hang till the end!  7

If Farrar's not there at the end, who's going to lead out Cav...?

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Squiggle replied to meninblack | 12 years ago
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I will not combine sprinters and allrounders, so, white or black, 200 points or 0 points haha  3

Let me know which way you go so I can stack my team in the opposite strategy!

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meninblack replied to Squiggle | 12 years ago
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Squiggle wrote:
meninblack wrote:

I will not combine sprinters and allrounders, so, white or black, 200 points or 0 points haha  3

Let me know which way you go so I can stack my team in the opposite strategy!

I've decided and I'll go with 4 sprinters. I don't know which 4 sprinters yet, but there will not be any allrounder in my team.

I hope the race will decide with a massive sprint  3

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Gkam84 | 12 years ago
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50% but I only have 1 waffle and he's a DS

The other one, i dont know if he's Aussie or Deutsch mark just now??

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