Weather warnings force cancellation of Vélo South closed road sportive

Chris Hayes wrote:

I think it would have been worth waiting until Friday evening. Bad weather often subsides or passes quickly and 1000s have made their plans already

the trouble with that is although the ride is Sunday, the pick up for numbers etc is Saturday. By Friday many of the riders would therefore have been on their way already.

Chris Hayes wrote:

I think it would have been worth waiting until Friday evening. Bad weather often subsides or passes quickly and 1000s have made their plans already

You do know that meteorology is a science and they can now track weather patterns? They have been watching this storm come across the Atlantic so can predict when, where and how hard its going to hit.

Saying "Bad weather often subsides or passes quickly" is a bit old wives tales type nonsense. But if you felt it in your water after consulting your ouija board then it must be true!

zanf wrote:

Chris Hayes wrote:

I think it would have been worth waiting until Friday evening. Bad weather often subsides or passes quickly and 1000s have made their plans already

You do know that meteorology is a science and they can now track weather patterns? They have been watching this storm come across the Atlantic so can predict when, where and how hard its going to hit.

Saying "Bad weather often subsides or passes quickly" is a bit old wives tales type nonsense. But if you felt it in your water after consulting your ouija board then it must be true!

It may be a science, but there are many variables.  With 8 hrs to go the weather forecast is rain a 12mph winds.... Let's see if that changes shall we? I'm happy to be wrong... I just thought they called it early.  But thanks for the sarcasm, Zanf. It is a pretty low, aggressive form of wit: rendered lower by posting anonymously on a website

Chris Hayes wrote:

I think it would have been worth waiting until Friday evening. Bad weather often subsides or passes quickly and 1000s have made their plans already

A lot of people will have travelled down on Friday for registration on Sat, so leaving it that late wouldn't be smart.  Plus I imagine the event insurance specifies a 48 hour rule.

Prosper0 wrote:

Forecast really doesn’t look that bad. What a fuss. 

They need to make a 'fuss' and take a decision based on probabilities and health and safety. Falling trees, large branches coming down, being blown about/off course which can all have horrendous outcomes.

Whilst some might be fine with those kind of scenarios that's not everyone and many would not want to ride in thise conditions in any case, particularly in a mass participation ride which has its own set of problems in any case so it's the logical/sensible thing to do. What happens IF someone is badly hurt, what IF many people are hurt, the organisers would be strung up and told they had a warning weather wise and ignored it, people like you are clueless!

Cancelling now instead of waiting to see on the day what might happen is correct.

Let's hope that some large trees fall blocking the roads from motorvehicle use and thus preventing the NIMBYS fro getting out, that would be poetic justice!

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Prosper0 wrote:

Forecast really doesn’t look that bad. What a fuss. 

They need to make a 'fuss' and take a decision based on probabilities and health and safety. Falling trees, large branches coming down, being blown about/off course which can all have horrendous outcomes.

Whilst some might be fine with those kind of scenarios that's not everyone and many would not want to ride in thise conditions in any case, particularly in a mass participation ride which has its own set of problems in any case so it's the logical/sensible thing to do. What happens IF someone is badly hurt, what IF many people are hurt, the organisers would be strung up and told they had a warning weather wise and ignored it, people like you are clueless!

Cancelling now instead of waiting to see on the day what might happen is correct.

Let's hope that some large trees fall blocking the roads from motorvehicle use and thus preventing the NIMBYS fro getting out, that would be poetic justice!

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

That is all.

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Simon E wrote:

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Beecho's comment was not about whether or not ProsperO's comment was clueless, it was about BTBS calling ProsperO clueless. It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point. Beecho was making the point that BTBS occasionally (ok, very rarely) has a valid point, and when he does others are going to be less inclined to stick up for him if he continues to treat people the way he invariably does. One might point out that if you can't see that from Beecho's comment then you are, in fact, clueless. But no-one has. See? 

madcarew wrote:

Simon E wrote:

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Beecho's comment was not about whether or not ProsperO's comment was clueless, it was about BTBS calling ProsperO clueless. It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point. Beecho was making the point that BTBS occasionally (ok, very rarely) has a valid point, and when he does others are going to be less inclined to stick up for him if he continues to treat people the way he invariably does. One might point out that if you can't see that from Beecho's comment then you are, in fact, clueless. But no-one has. See? 

It's clueless because Beecho utterly ignores everything and denigrates the organisers, the poster  ignores everything, it ignores the basics of H&S, ignores weather warnings and why organisers have to make a decision well in advance based on the best information they have. It's not agressive nor unnecessary , it's telling someone straight they should not be so ignorant of matters regarding people's safety and well being.

Stop being a faux offended snowflake ffs!

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

madcarew wrote:

Simon E wrote:

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Beecho's comment was not about whether or not ProsperO's comment was clueless, it was about BTBS calling ProsperO clueless. It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point. Beecho was making the point that BTBS occasionally (ok, very rarely) has a valid point, and when he does others are going to be less inclined to stick up for him if he continues to treat people the way he invariably does. One might point out that if you can't see that from Beecho's comment then you are, in fact, clueless. But no-one has. See? 

It's clueless because Beecho utterly ignores everything and denigrates the organisers, the poster  ignores everything, it ignores the basics of H&S, ignores weather warnings and why organisers have to make a decision well in advance based on the best information they have. It's not agressive nor unnecessary , it's telling someone straight they should not be so ignorant of matters regarding people's safety and well being.

Stop being a faux offended snowflake ffs!

I’m just asking for a bit more civility on this forum.

As it happens, I’m sat in the sunshine in my (temporary) Winchester garden, wishing I’d not had a few vinos at lunch and was still able to ride safely. I was signed up for Velo South and am 100% behind them cancelling it. The level of standing water alone here tells me it was the correct decision.

BTBS, Don Simon and dreamfireballXL5whatever your name is, your bullshit opinions have been enough to turn me off the comments on this site forever.

Davel, I’ll miss your brilliant contributions. Rapha Nadal, I’ll be in touch when we do finally move to Hove.

Sayonara.

Beecho wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

madcarew wrote:

Simon E wrote:

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Beecho's comment was not about whether or not ProsperO's comment was clueless, it was about BTBS calling ProsperO clueless. It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point. Beecho was making the point that BTBS occasionally (ok, very rarely) has a valid point, and when he does others are going to be less inclined to stick up for him if he continues to treat people the way he invariably does. One might point out that if you can't see that from Beecho's comment then you are, in fact, clueless. But no-one has. See? 

It's clueless because Beecho utterly ignores everything and denigrates the organisers, the poster  ignores everything, it ignores the basics of H&S, ignores weather warnings and why organisers have to make a decision well in advance based on the best information they have. It's not agressive nor unnecessary , it's telling someone straight they should not be so ignorant of matters regarding people's safety and well being.

Stop being a faux offended snowflake ffs!

I’m just asking for a bit more civility on this forum.

As it happens, I’m sat in the sunshine in my (temporary) Winchester garden, wishing I’d not had a few vinos at lunch and was still able to ride safely. I was signed up for Velo South and am 100% behind them cancelling it. The level of standing water alone here tells me it was the correct decision.

BTBS, Don Simon and dreamfireballXL5whatever your name is, your bullshit has been enough to turn me off the comments on this site forever.

Davel, I’ll miss your brilliant contributions. Rapha Nadal, I’ll be in touch when we do finally move to Hove.

Sayonara.

 

Beecho wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

madcarew wrote:

Simon E wrote:

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Beecho's comment was not about whether or not ProsperO's comment was clueless, it was about BTBS calling ProsperO clueless. It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point. Beecho was making the point that BTBS occasionally (ok, very rarely) has a valid point, and when he does others are going to be less inclined to stick up for him if he continues to treat people the way he invariably does. One might point out that if you can't see that from Beecho's comment then you are, in fact, clueless. But no-one has. See? 

It's clueless because Beecho utterly ignores everything and denigrates the organisers, the poster  ignores everything, it ignores the basics of H&S, ignores weather warnings and why organisers have to make a decision well in advance based on the best information they have. It's not agressive nor unnecessary , it's telling someone straight they should not be so ignorant of matters regarding people's safety and well being.

Stop being a faux offended snowflake ffs!

I’m just asking for a bit more civility on this forum.

As it happens, I’m sat in the sunshine in my (temporary) Winchester garden, wishing I’d not had a few vinos at lunch and was still able to ride safely. I was signed up for Velo South and am 100% behind them cancelling it. The level of standing water alone here tells me it was the correct decision.

BTBS, Don Simon and dreamfireballXL5whatever your name is, your bullshit opinions have been enough to turn me off the comments on this site forever.

Davel, I’ll miss your brilliant contributions. Rapha Nadal, I’ll be in touch when we do finally move to Hove.

Sayonara.

 

 I've missed those contributions too.

Don't go fella: sidestep the noise. It is possible. FWIW I'm often in the 'dick' bag on here myself.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

madcarew wrote:

Simon E wrote:

Beecho wrote:

Dude, I pretty much agree with this and so much of what you have to say. I've also stuck up for you when feeling people have laid into you unnecessarily, but why the 'people like you are clueless' comment? You may disagree with the post, but there's no need to be so aggressive.

I have to say that with this comment Prosper0 comes across as somewhat clueless.

The scale of an event of this kind means that such a dismissive comment about the decision, no doubt taken after much discussion and hand-wringing, suggests that they know sweet F.A. about the logistics of such an undertaking. If you're going to cancel an event then making the call sooner is invariably the best way.

Of course it's disappointing. Many people are inconvenienced, out of pocket etc etc but I doubt that anyone is more disappointed than the organiser.

The roads haven't gone anywhere, all the whingers can still ride the route.

Beecho's comment was not about whether or not ProsperO's comment was clueless, it was about BTBS calling ProsperO clueless. It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point. Beecho was making the point that BTBS occasionally (ok, very rarely) has a valid point, and when he does others are going to be less inclined to stick up for him if he continues to treat people the way he invariably does. One might point out that if you can't see that from Beecho's comment then you are, in fact, clueless. But no-one has. See? 

It's clueless because Beecho utterly ignores everything and denigrates the organisers, the poster  ignores everything, it ignores the basics of H&S, ignores weather warnings and why organisers have to make a decision well in advance based on the best information they have. It's not agressive nor unnecessary , it's telling someone straight they should not be so ignorant of matters regarding people's safety and well being.

Stop being a faux offended snowflake ffs!

It'd help your cause if you were namechecking the correct forummer you initially called out. It wasn't Beecho.

Not for the first time: pay attention before you wade in.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

It's clueless because Beecho utterly ignores everything and denigrates the organisers, the poster  ignores everything, it ignores the basics of H&S, ignores weather warnings and why organisers have to make a decision well in advance based on the best information they have. It's not agressive nor unnecessary , it's telling someone straight they should not be so ignorant of matters regarding people's safety and well being.

Stop being a faux offended snowflake ffs!

<SLOW CLAP>

Well done. You got the wrong person. It wasn't Beecho. He has been one of your supporters occasionally. He didn't denigrate anyone, not the organisers and ignored nothing.  How's that for clueless?  You're not clueless, you're a complete idiot. Bigotted, anachronistic fool. Your level of cluelessness is truly breathtaking. You've reached a Trumpian level of irrelevance.

madcarew wrote:

It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point.

I didn't say BTBS was using an appropriate tone but tried to say that I also felt Prosper0 appeared to have clue about what's involved here. Is that unnecessary or unkind? I certainly wasn't being aggressive. But aren't you saying the same thing?

Local weather stations have shown 8 or 9°C with heavy rain all morning (Met Office 'feels like' was 6°C). Wind picked up from 14 mph NE to 21mph with 34mph gusts by midday. While it's easy to for someone at home to say "Ah, it's not that bad ya wimps" I think people should try riding 100 miles or standing at a roadside ez-up for a few hours, holding it down and retrieving wind-blown bits & bobs before being so dismissive. I went out for a walk this morning in between the showers (also about 8°C) and it felt a bit keen. I would ride to work in it but certainly wouldn't have chosen to do a long bike ride.

Simon E wrote:

madcarew wrote:

It's unnecessary and agressive. We all have our relative areas of cluelessness (BTBS's is the legal system and processes: he literally has no clue) but it is unnecessary and unkind for people to make that point.

I didn't say BTBS was using an appropriate tone but tried to say that I also felt Prosper0 appeared to have clue about what's involved here. Is that unnecessary or unkind? I certainly wasn't being aggressive. But aren't you saying the same thing?

Local weather stations have shown 8 or 9°C with heavy rain all morning (Met Office 'feels like' was 6°C). Wind picked up from 14 mph NE to 21mph with 34mph gusts by midday. While it's easy to for someone at home to say "Ah, it's not that bad ya wimps" I think people should try riding 100 miles or standing at a roadside ez-up for a few hours, holding it down and retrieving wind-blown bits & bobs before being so dismissive. I went out for a walk this morning in between the showers (also about 8°C) and it felt a bit keen. I would ride to work in it but certainly wouldn't have chosen to do a long bike ride.

Personally I think there's a significant difference between talking about a clueless comment and calling someone clueless.

And you are right, I was slightly obliquely saying the same thing to BTBS simply because he and Don Simon are regularly personal in their responses; Clearly it is their preferred form of invective, favoured form of communication. Do unto others and all that...