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"It takes one lunatic to do you real harm": Cyclists raise safety concerns about filming drivers; Spectator column labels cargo bikes as "dangerous"; Evenepoel's helmet strap tan; Cycling in the rain, London edition + more on the live blog

Finally, the weekend! Adwitiya is on the road.cc live blog hot seat this Friday, bringing you all the silly cycling news from the silly cycling world

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18 August 2023, 15:51
Your thoughts on filming motorists using phones or breaking traffic rules

In the morning, we looked at a driver reacting way too aggressively on being confronted by a cyclist for using their mobile phone, first veering off blindly to one side to slam into the side of another motor vehicle, and then reversing and dangerously passing the cyclist and another vehicle from the other side on a red light.

We asked for your thoughts on the incident, and whether this indicates a growing tendency to act hostilely which may put off cyclists from filming and reporting careless or dangerous drivers. Here's what you all had to say...

Matthew Acton-Varian: "The potential aggression is the reason I don't use cameras. And even if I did, I would not let any driver know that I noticed their transgressions. And unless the Police upload portals significantly improve their conviction success rate, I'm not about to be even tempted to change my mind."

IanMK: "I think running a camera makes me less likely to be aggressive/triggered by bad driving. Revenge is a dish best served cold."

Oldfatgit: "I run cameras. However ... I won't dream of doing what this guy did - or Cycling Mikey does for that matter. Mind you ... I'm also under Police Scotland, who didn't prosecute the driver of this car as 'they didn't remember the incident'.
"We have to be very carefull about what we are doing ... the personal danger that this rider put himself in is unreal. Problem is, we only think about it afterwards.
"As much as I want to see ar******s, scumbags and c**ksockets removed from the road, self-preservation should be the first thing on your mind."

Nealunreal: "People who use mobile phones while driving can kill, so it is certainly worth getting the footage and reporting it to the police. As to engaging with the offenders? Thats a judgement call to make in the moment. However, since we are untrained civilians, and not police officers, it's best to err on the side of caution and engage with them as little as possible."

From over on Facebook...

David Shanahan: "People want to drive on their phone, they pay the price. Either they kill someone or get a fine. I see it all the time when cycling, but no point in passive aggressive approach. Send the film to the rozzers. Let them deal with it. No use greeting ran over, punched or even stabbed. Not with crazies on the streets."

Robin Warnock: "I'm with folks suggesting greater caution with filming. You're seeing a lot of these videos resulting in on road, moving fights. As mentioned, it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong."

James Lyon: "Never confront. That goes double on regular routes (like a commute) or around your local area where there's a very high chance you'll see the same driver again. No matter how right you are, no confrontation ever results in a driver backing down, apologising and promising not to do it again; it results in anger and denial and abuse."

And, Chris Jepson, summing distilling everything down neatly: "Filming isn't causing danger. Psycho drivers cause danger." 

18 August 2023, 09:45
Mobile-phone using driver with tinted windows reacts aggressively to cyclist recording him, sparking debate of how dangerous is filming motorists

A video posted by the anonymous Twitter user called 'Cars on camera', which frequently shares footage of dangerous drivers, has sparked a debate: To what lengths do you go to film and report such behaviour, and when should you prioritise your own safety?

The latest video filmed in Harrow shows a Volvo driver on the phone passing the cyclist. Oh, and the car had tinted front side windows, which if you didn't know, are illegal in the UK.

At the next traffic light, the cyclist draws up to the driver and peers close to the raised windows, and voila, "Phone's still on his lap," says the cyclist out loud.

What follows seems out of a movie, or a video game — like one of the cutscenes. A hasty tap on the window to shoo the cyclist from the bewildered, agitated driver, who reacts as if he's got something very important to hide (mind you, in his Lidl bag).

He steps on the pedal, veers to his left and intends to zoom past, jumping the red light. But another car shows up on his left, and he drives into the side of that vehicle, before reversing and then going past the cyclist and the other drivers from the right-hand side.

> Near Miss of the Day 844: Driver insists cyclists who film motorists are asking to be hit

The incident has left cyclists concerned, with many warning the cyclist to maintain caution, especially when the drivers start reacting in a defensive way and even try to make a run for it.

One person said that they have even stopped filming because of aggression from the drivers, including verbal abuse and close passes.

However, Mike van Erp, or Cycling Mikey, who has made a name for himself by reporting drivers on their phone or committing other traffic offences, seemed to disagree. He said: "I'm not sure that's the right approach. Doing that will only mean more of this behaviour."

While others suggested to continue reporting but not engage with the drivers, regardless of the situation. "You never know what type of person you might encounter. Just keep quiet, don’t gesture , calm down and carry on," wrote one user.

So should cyclists continue filming and reporting offences, or take more caution and reduce interactions? What do you think is the best course of action in such scenarios? What would you do? Let us know in the comments...

18 August 2023, 16:08
Cyclists concerned by "too long and too dangerous" diversion as cycle path closed
Marston cycle path closure (Charlotte Vinnicombe/Twitter)

Cyclists in Oxford have raised safety concerns about a diversion that directs riders to a notoriously dangerous roundabout while a cycle path in the city is closed for 10 weeks for repairs.

The council says it had "no choice" but to close the route for bridge repairs, but some have questioned why a "safe" diversion has not been directed through University Parks, with it instead visiting a notoriously dangerous roundabout...

> Cyclists concerned by "too long and too dangerous" diversion as cycle path closed

18 August 2023, 15:42
In praise of Sheffield stands...

Some simple, basic cycling infrastrcture in use can be a joy to see. So here's some Sheffield stands, thankfully bolted on securely to the ground.

18 August 2023, 14:47
More cyclists fined for riding bikes through town centre – months on from rider ordered to pay £1,100
Grimsby town centre cycling ban enforcement (Google Maps/North East Lincolnshire Council)

A council has once again shared news of joint patrols with a police force to stop and fine cyclists who ride through a town centre.

The council officers have previously been accused of targeting the "old and slow" and cyclists "they can get away with"...

> More cyclists fined for riding bikes through town centre – months on from rider ordered to pay £1,100

18 August 2023, 14:38
Temporary ban on cycling on Isle of Man road for the Manx Grand Prix, but open to motorists
Mountain Road, Isle of Man (Google Maps)

The Manx Grand Prix (MGP) kicks off this weekend, and a temporary ban has been put in place on cycling on the A18 Mountain Road in the Isle of Man till 30th August.

However, drivers are apparently exempt from the ban, which extends between Ramsey and Douglas, as the BBC reports that motorists have been reminded the road will remain open to two-way traffic throughout the period.

A spokesman for the Isle of Man Constabulary urged people to ride and drive "sensibly". He added: "Whether local or visiting for the festival make sure you remember to know your limits."

Hmm, if recent events are anything to go by, should I expect a pandemonium due to road closures, for one particular mode of transport, due to a racing event?

> Frustrated locals see off World Championships with final complaints about road closures

18 August 2023, 14:16
Nothing to see here, just two great filmmakers

This post hasn't got anything to do with cycling, but just a shoutout to two great filmmakers standing next to one of the landmark pieces of cinema history — the poster of Vittorio De Sica's 1949 Italian movie Bicycle Thieves.

It's a Friday, go watch it this evening!

18 August 2023, 12:33
London Cycling Campaign hand delivers cycle-lane bollards to the Kensington & Chelsea

London Cycling Campaign seems to have taken matters into their own hands, and by own hands, I mean cycling and hand-delivering bollards for cycle lanes to the Kensington and Chelsea Customer Service Centre to "hammer home how there are no protected cycle lanes in the whole borough".

> Council says it “did not manipulate data” after cycling campaigners accused it of ignoring advice in order to controversially shelve bike lane

Here's someone who caught them cycling along with the bollards!

Like they say, "build it and they'll come"... or "we'll come and tell you how to build it".

18 August 2023, 12:18
Strong lineup from Ineos Grenadiers for Vuelta

Thomas, Ganna, and Bernal? That's a strong team!

"That’s what motivates you as well, knowing that all the best guys are going to be there, so the goal is to go and do your best and hopefully come out on top; but it’s certainly going to be tough," said Geraint Thomas.

Add Roglič, who's bossing it at the Vuelta a Burgos and is in the lead of the GC, Jonas Vingegaard, Juan Ayuso, and last year's winner and newly crowned TT champion Remco Evenepoel, it's taking shape to be a cracking field up and down the peloton!

18 August 2023, 12:04
THAT Remco helmet strap tan...

Remco Evenepoel, fresh from his victory at the Time Trial World Championships in Stirling, sat down for a long interview with Patrick Broe and Benji Naesen of the Lanterne Rouge. And while the podcast itself is a good listen, I couldn't help but ignore that helmet strap tan along Evenepoel's temple.

Evenepoel helmets strap tan (screenshot: Youtube, Lanterne Rouge)

Let me quickly check the odds for Remco winning at Vuelta...

18 August 2023, 11:25
"Crosswalk referee" dishes out red cards to dangerous motorists who block bike lanes and crossings
Junction referee (Twitter/@benwedge)

Seems like the World Cup fever has spread to road safety campaigning as a referee has been spotted handing out yellow and red cards to motorists who block junctions with their driving, putting pedestrians and cyclists in danger.

I can already tell he's better than Anthony Taylor!

>"Crosswalk referee" dishes out red cards to dangerous motorists who block bike lanes and crossings

18 August 2023, 10:56
Cargo bikes... we've been here before

"Adrian, you’re wrong!"

Mind you, not my words, but those of Chris Dixon, co-founder and director of training at the cargo bike logistics company Pedal Me, who we spoke to for the road.cc podcast, after Adrian Chiles, writer and presenter, noteworthy for his genius of having a 'urinal in his flat', or his distaste of 'Cheddar and stout on hot cross buns', wrote a column for The Guardian back in March, complaining about the cost of cargo bikes.

"You've got a bike that handles like a normal bike and carries an awful lot of stuff, that isn't a supplementary to your car. It's a replacement for it," said Dixon.

> "The man who never misses has officially missed": Adrian Chiles claims expensive cargo bikes are a "new kind of class politics"

Chiles had written in the column: "...most of them, probably just as expensive, are ridden by the decidedly unaffluent, slogging around being paid peanuts to supply the affluent with takeaways and assorted other essentials of modern life."

Big words from the man who owns a BMW 520d, costing £46,000, only slightly more than the four-grand mark he decided all cargo bikes cost. So here's a recap of a few things that cost around the same as the potentially lifelong, and in some cases car-replacing, investment that is a cargo bike...

  • You could buy seven and a half of the cargo bikes Chiles took issue with for the price of... his motor, the BMW 520d...
  • Or one 'mini' Dior bag
Dior bag cargo bike comparison
  • 2,000 copies of the Guardian featuring Chiles' column
  • A couple of steaks seasoned by a questionable social media influencer
Salt Bae bill cargo bike comparison
  • Half a day represented by Mr Loophole (according to the Express
  • Seven of the 360-degree cameras Jeremy Vine never leaves the house without
18 August 2023, 09:06
"Wait until it starts raining!"

"Wait until it starts raining!" It's never a dull day to watch London cycling commuting scenes.

18 August 2023, 08:12
"An accident waiting to happen?": Spectator column labels cargo bikes as "dangerous" and making it "hell" for motorists to drive

I was honestly having a difficulty picking the lead quote from this Spectator column, there are so many of them to choose from!

It's titled "The dangers of cargo bikes", asking readers to "just look at the way they’re designed", and followed by a picture of an elegant, practical, and clean mode of transport. I don't see any danger? Oh, right, but they make the roads "hell" for motorists.

Written by Jake Wallis Simons, the article starts off by describing a cargo bike as a "monumental pain in the arse", and occupying that "infuriating twilight zone between bicycle and motor vehicle", but going no faster than 8mph.

Blubrake ABS e-cargo bike

According to Simons, cargo bikes either piloted by "smug yet very stressed parents" or "hipsters with ironic facial hair, retro clothing, flexible sexuality and a heavily-worn social conscience".

"This means hell for motorists," he goes on to write. But just a couple words later, drops the innocent fallacy most writers of such columns make: "as a cyclist myself..."

Ah well, there we go. The piece continues to delve into more motorist victim-playing, essentially veiled as anti-cycling jugulars: "Must they now accommodate bicycles that take up the space of a car?"

Finally, we get to the point of the article: Remember, the dangers of cargo bikes? But before we get to that, Wallis admits to have written a piece for Sunday Telegraph (yep) back in 2012, about using tricycles and cargo bikes for the school run.

In the piece, the apparent dangers only receive a passing mention. And now in the latest Spectator column, the writer confesses there was an incident that didn't make it into the previous feature: an incident where he got carried away with the speed of the cargo bike (I thought they didn't go faster than 8mph?), hit a bump and saw four children stuffed in the convoy box jump "two feet" in the air and then land into the box again.

That seems a pretty huge anecdote to skip out of the article about you testing cargo bikes?

When you guide the contraption gondola-like into the traffic, the box with the children inside noses out first. Surely it would be very easy for a stressed-out motorist with limited visibility to shear it off one Monday morning. The words ‘accident’ and ‘waiting to happen’ come to mind."

So are cargo bikes "accidents waiting to happen" because they are designed poorly and are an inherent safety risk, or is it the drivers who the writer assumes is skilled enough to drive safely?

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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Steve K | 1 year ago
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Are the Spectator on a mission?  It's less than a week since Hitchins's anti e-bike rant, which also complained about cargo bikes.

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Steve K | 1 year ago
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I was going to do my normal complaint about a London cycling video on the route of my commute, that doesn't have me in it.  But then I realised that video is several years old (no hoardings/work on the bridge, and no anti-terrorist barriers) so it's probably when from when I was cycling round the country watching Palace rather than working!

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Awavey | 1 year ago
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"who Google tells me is a journalist" ... ouch.

Play the ball, not the man please.

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quiff replied to Awavey | 1 year ago
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It seems a particularly daft jibe to make when our author (who Google tells me is also a journalist) is using said other journalist's material to fill their live blog.   

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Cocovelo | 1 year ago
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In other news: my kids are not allowed to cycle to school because the school doesn't have adequate, accessible parking facilities for bikes that the kids can use. This has been going on for about 2 years now with no sign things changing. Other than pester them constantly, what practical and productive steps can I take to encourage installation of bike parking facilities at the school so that kids can cycle? Does anyone have similar experience?

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Shake replied to Cocovelo | 1 year ago
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Lock the bikes to the head teacher's car?

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OnYerBike replied to Cocovelo | 1 year ago
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Any of this any help? https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/campaigns-guide/how-to-encourage-cycli...

Or think about who else you could pester - your local councillors? Local MP? Sustrans? 

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Steve K replied to Cocovelo | 1 year ago
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Maybe get on to the local council.  They have a duty to promote sustainable travel to school - and to publish a plan about it.  More in here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

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The Larger Cyclist replied to Cocovelo | 1 year ago
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Locally we have a group called "Bike Worcester" who have been pushing for a new school to have more bike storage - you might want to see if there's a similar in your area?

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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The only "Accident waiting to happen" is one where ignorant and careless motorists don't follow the Highway Code!

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brooksby replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Jake Wallis Simons wrote:

When you guide the contraption gondola-like into the traffic, the box with the children inside noses out first. Surely it would be very easy for a stressed-out motorist with limited visibility to shear it off one Monday morning. 

How is that the fault of the cyclist? 

The same argument could be made for a car with a long bonnet making the same manoeuvre and I don't imagine he'd say that it was that driver's fault then...

 

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Hirsute replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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I had this a lunchtime - lights went green (on a roundabout) and I started off to find a driver from the right clearly not going to stop. I shouted out twice and he managed to stop a couple of car lengths over the line.
A pedestrian then shouted at me " never made a mistake then".
Because of course, had the driver's mistake led to a collision I would have been perfectly ok.

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quiff replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Also a daft comment - should you, cognisant that everyone makes mistakes, have just left him to carry on, rather than try to attract attention to avert a crash?

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Hirsute replied to quiff | 1 year ago
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The bloke and his mate crossed 3 lanes to get to a hatched area, then had to cross 3 more to get to the pavement. No marked crossing as you are expected to use the underpass!

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OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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So the sole actual example provided of an injury involving a cargo bike appears to have had nothing to do with the inherent "dangers" of a cargo bike (imagined or otherwise) and everything to do with an incompetent car driver?

Sounds to me like pretty much everything in that article is just adding arguments for proper segregated infrastructure. It minimises the "dangers of cargo bikes" (more accurately, the danger of cargo bikes sharing road space with incompetent drivers) and said drivers also no longer have to "cope" with "accommodating" bikes. 

As an aside, the average speed of motor vehicles in London at peak times is 9mph. Just saying. 

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Oldfatgit replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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9mph?

If it was less, then that'll be all the cargo bikes 🤣🤣

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ROOTminus1 replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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It baffles me that people don't know or don't apply the hierarchy of controls when it comes to managing hazards. The wording changes based on the application but is essentially :
- Eliminate; avoid activity
- Reduce; fundamental changes to activity to change nature of risk
- Isolate; engineered controls, equipment modifications
- Control; rules / people management
- PPE; [duh]

In this case, modifying the cargo bikes to reduce the risk of being a cargo bike is kinda dumb by its nature, but would be an engineered control, whereas decent infra sits at the 2nd level, removing the threat of vehicle interaction. Bad infra, like a line of paint, is barely one step above reflective tape and the hope your helmet will soften the impact of concrete or steel.

Sadly the motor-centric viewpoint is that if everyone is in their car, no-one is cycling and no cyclists are at risk.

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eburtthebike replied to ROOTminus1 | 1 year ago
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ROOTminus1 wrote:

It baffles me that people don't know or don't apply the hierarchy of controls when it comes to managing hazards. The wording changes based on the application but is essentially : - Eliminate; avoid activity - Reduce; fundamental changes to activity to change nature of risk - Isolate; engineered controls, equipment modifications - Control; rules / people management - PPE; [duh]

But PPE for cyclists, helmets, doesn't inconvenience drivers one bit, hence its popularity with them rather than any of the other measures.  Also useful for blaming the cyclist when the incident was entirely the driver's fault.

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Sriracha | 1 year ago
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So the article dates from 11 years ago. Is the accident still waiting to happen?

In other news, I recall the excited squeals from the back of the school bus, every time it crossed a speed bump, and the entire back row boinged two feet in the air. The bus driver was not amused.

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Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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Why report on the Spectator article?
It's tosh ... we know that. It's not just tosh, it's stupid tosh designed to inflame people who support their use to add to their advert revenue.

But why feed the tosh with advertising clicks that they wouldn't normally get?

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HarrogateSpa replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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100% agree.

It can't be easy to find content for the Live Blog on a daily basis, but there's too much looking for things that will annoy us in an effort to drive engagement.

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OldRidgeback replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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The Spectator is a horrible rag for horrible people.

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Brauchsel replied to OldRidgeback | 1 year ago
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Interested to note that it apparently considers "flexible sexuality" to be a mockable attribute. Have they confused bicycles with bisexuals?

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chrisonabike replied to Brauchsel | 1 year ago
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More flexibility?  As a 'bent rider I'm now thinking about S&S coupling...

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andystow replied to Brauchsel | 1 year ago
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Brauchsel wrote:

Interested to note that it apparently considers "flexible sexuality" to be a mockable attribute. Have they confused bicycles with bisexuals?

Bikesexuals.

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TheBillder replied to andystow | 1 year ago
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Perhaps just that journalist. After all, his name is an anagram of...

WANK! SOIL SLIM JEANS

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