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Cycle lane + hi-vis = Driver ploughing into cyclist on roundabout (+ more social media victim blaming); Cyclists praise Deputy Lord Mayor for parking bike in ‘car’ space – but critics slam “wasted space”; Highway Code on GB News + more on the live blog

It’s the 108th Tuesday of January (and thankfully, the last), and Ryan Mallon is back with more cycling news and views on the live blog

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30 January 2024, 09:06
Cyclist struck by motorist on roundabout (Credit Warwickshire Cyclist, Twitter)
Cycle lane + hi-vis = Driver ploughing into cyclist on roundabout (and motorists blaming the cyclist on social media)

Here at the road.cc HQ, by now you would think we’d be used to the extreme lengths motorists on social media will go to defend their fellow drivers and pin the blame for any and all road collisions on cyclists.

Last month on the live blog we covered the head scratching reaction to footage released by West Midlands Police, which showed the moment a 71-year-old cyclist was left with a bleed on the brain, a broken shoulder, and a broken ankle after a driver ignored give way markings and ploughed on into her.

Despite the motorist being jailed for 12 months after pleading guilty to causing serious injury by careless driving, anti-cycling Twitter on the other hand was convinced that it was the cyclist who was “irresponsible” and “shouldn’t have been going that fast”, and that they were “probably breaking the speed limit but clearly not proceeding towards a major crossing with caution”.

Coventry crash May 2023 (via West Midlands Police)

>  “I love it when drivers harass me for breaking rules they made up in their head”: Motorist tells cyclist he’ll “get a ticket for being in the bus lane”… while driving an untaxed car

Last February, drivers on social media reacted to the infamous crash on a Sheffield roundabout which left broadcaster and bike helmet advocate Dan Walker feeling “glad to be alive” by accusing the Channel 5 presenter of “putting himself in danger” by “ignoring” a nearby cycle lane – described by local cyclists as “filled with broken glass”.

And over the past weekend, a clip of a Belfast driver pulling across three lanes of rush hour traffic, hitting a cyclist in the process, even led some buck eejits on social media to boldly pronounce that the female commuter had deliberately pulled into the path of the motorist to cause the crash. As you do.

> “Looks like the cyclist deliberately made contact with the car”: Driver pulls across three lanes and hits cyclist – and motorists claim cyclist was at fault

So, it’s safe to say that it takes a lot to shock us when it comes to the ever-expanding genre of anti-cycling, pro-terrible driving social media excuses.

But the baffling response to this latest clip – posted yesterday by the Warwickshire Cyclist account – even managed to raise a few eyebrows in the road.cc offices.

For a start, let’s check to see if the cyclist was abiding by the holy ‘Fuming Motorist’s Arbitrary Code of Conduct for People on Bikes’.

Were they wearing hi-vis? Yes, indeed. A helmet? Check. Riding in the cycle lane? Yep.

But despite the cyclist abiding by these fundamental road safety commandments (at least in the eyes of victim blamers and more than a few police forces), the oblivious motorist still managed to pull out onto the roundabout and clip them.

> Near Miss of the Day 838: "Tell me again about hi-vis and lights!" — Cyclist narrowly avoids collision at mini roundabout

And the response on the social media platform formerly known as Twitter? Just as you’d expect, of course.

“Cyclists fault he should of been peddling faster,” said the grammatically-challenged Danny, whose understanding of road safety is right up there with his spelling and punctuation (what, too harsh?).

“I’m a cyclist... but he’s at fault here,” added FSD Bera Test Pilot, helpfully fulfilling our quota of ‘I’m a cyclist but…’ comments.

“Why was Paul the Peddler in the middle of a road for cars?” asked Andrew, failing to notice the red bike lane on the roundabout.

“Terrible cycling,” wrote Jean. “Never hug the edge in a roundabout. I believe the cyclist was in the driver’s blind spot. He didn’t yield properly, but it doesn’t help the cyclist...”

“He was riding in the red marked Cycle Lane FFS,” replied an understandably exasperated Warwickshire Cyclist, who later posted their own recommended alternative to hi-vis clothing, which they reckon would easily grab a careless driver’s attention:

I’ll just leave that there…

30 January 2024, 09:59
Deputy Lord Mayor of Cork parks bike in car space (Dan Boyle, Twitter)
“Symbol of road space wasted by cyclists” or a demonstration of “how much space a commuter actually needs”? Cyclists praise Deputy Lord Mayor for parking bike in designated ‘car’ space – but critics say it’s “celebrating wasted space”

So, what happens when you’re a cyclist, who rides their bike into work every day, and suddenly – just because you’re now the city’s Deputy Lord Mayor – the powers that be decide to bestow upon you a somewhat unnecessarily large parking space?

You just park your bike in it, don’t you?

Well, that’s exactly what Colette Finn, a Green Party councillor and the current Deputy Lord Mayor of Cork, has chosen to do, as evidenced by this rather striking image – posted on Twitter by fellow Green councillor Dan Boyle – neatly depicting the vast chasm in space routinely provided for some commuters over others.

While several cyclists praised Finn’s decision to park her bike in her designated Deputy Lord Mayor’s spot, with different variations on “Love it” peppering the replies, the image did however strike up a rather heated debate (it is social media after all) on the use of so-called ‘car’ parking spaces for bikes – and whether designated parking spaces for officials should even still be the norm if we want to encourage active travel.

“Celebrating wasted space. Hilarious,” said Aodhán, while Orchard Man also described Finn’s bike parking as a “symbol of ‘road’ space wasted by cyclists”.

“If the space isn’t needed for cars, put in a bike rack,” he continued.

“Selfish though. Bet that same person will whine about a car taking up space on a cycle path,” added Nick, as if those two examples are directly comparable.

Meanwhile, Colum wrote: “I suppose it’s political humour but it’s wasteful. She could have requested removal of the sign.”

Others, naturally, were baffled by the backlash to a cyclist parking their bike in a reserved space for an elected official in an underground car park…

“People saying it’s a waste of space but no one can park in it but her so who cares if her bike is in it. That’s fine!” said greekman.

Meanwhile, when it comes to the issue of ‘wasted space’, some cyclists noted that another culprit could perhaps be responsible for taking up too much unnecessary room.

“I know, crazy how many bikes you can fit in the space of a car, isn't it?” wrote Tim. “Crazy waste of space, five empty seats and two tonnes of metal just to move somebody around when clearly this is all most of us need.”

“This makes you think how much space a commuter actually needs if we would be more conscious,” said the Cork Cycling Campaign.

Con, however, noted that the very concept of ‘privileged’ car parking was detrimental to the cause of active travel.

“As long as we dole out privileged parking places to an entitled few, we are never gonna see progress on the use of public transport or alternative transportation like cycling,” he said.

“The few isn’t the issue, it's a wider issue with council and civil service staff too,” added Cycling in Kilkenny. “How much will an entire council staff care about public transport if they get free parking?”

30 January 2024, 11:22
GB News Highway Code debate January 2024
Highway Code changes “passed me by”, says Eamonn Holmes – as GB News presenter calls for “regular” retests in shockingly balanced debate

Alright, don’t panic, but I think there’s been a glitch in the matrix somewhere near the GB News studios…

Because, after yesterday’s “concerning” report that more than half of motorists surveyed by the RAC are still unsure whether the Highway Code changes have made the roads safer for vulnerable road users, two years on from their implementation, this morning GB News decided to hold a debate on the changes and their effect on cyclists – and, rather shockingly, it was a pretty balanced affair.

> More Highway Code news: RAC research suggests half of drivers still unsure if Highway Code changes have made roads any safer for pedestrians

At the start of the segment, which in classic GB News style pitted cycling instructor and director of FlightFreeUK Anna Hughes and motorising journalist Danny Kelly against each other, presenter Eamonn Holmes (who has firmly enhanced his controversialist credentials in recent years) chose to flip things completely on their head by asserting that “I think the Highway Code is a good thing”.

“I just don’t think any of us pay any attention to it,” Ruth’s husband continued. “We should all be tested on it quite regularly, we should have revision courses.”

I have to admit, Eamonn Holmes calling for Highway Code revision courses – and, even, later in the segment bringing up the possibility of mandatory driving retests – wasn’t on my January 2024 bingo card.

Highway Code changes (Tier press release)

Even Danny Kelly admitted that he hasn’t adhered to the new guidelines on giving way to vulnerable road users on side roads – a problem shared by 25 per cent of drivers, according to the RAC’s survey – and said the Highway Code changes should have been publicised more widely through a leafleting campaign sent to all UK driving licence holders.

And, by the end, the presenters were highlighting the dangers posed on the roads to cyclists, Hughes and Kelly were agreeing that the ‘war’ on motorists was preposterous, and they all concurred that cycling, you know, wasn’t all bad.

I bet Darren Grimes is fuming…

30 January 2024, 16:53
The greatest bike chase scene of all time?

This week 20 years ago, Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace premiered on Channel 4 (well, if you don’t count its original 1980s release in Peru that is).

So, what better way to celebrate such a landmark moment in British televisual culture than by enjoying perhaps the greatest cycling-themed chase scene in history?

Have a good evening, folks!

30 January 2024, 16:19
Highway Code changes (Tier press release)
“My fork-lift licence required a refresh every three years or I could not do my job. My driving licence does not”: road.cc reader on the public’s (lack of) awareness of the Highway Code changes

Following Eamonn Holmes’ confession this morning that the Highway Code changes passed him by, along with the GB News presenter’s rather surprising suggestion that motorists should be subject to occasional retests, a road.cc reader (and relative newcomer to cycling) got in touch to share their views on how we can ensure that all drivers are made aware of any future changes to the Highway Code:

I read with interest an article on your site about the lack of awareness about the recent (ok, well not so recent, but also not well advertised and definitely not well adopted) changes to the Highway Code that were published two years ago, that focused on changes to make our roads safer for the most vulnerable users.

I am a newish cycler and long-time car driver in my 50s, and while I do see plenty of instances of good road safety by (the majority) of drivers while out on my bike, I also see far too much dangerous behaviour, especially by older (middle age) drivers in so called SUV and high powered vehicles and ‘professional’ drivers whose road space entitlement seriously outweighs the narrowness of their safety margins for the pedestrians and cyclists that share their (I deliberately put ‘their’ instead of ‘our’) roads with them.

I have been driving for 30 years and not once have I been required to take a licence refresher or been tested on ANY of my knowledge of the Highway Code since I passed my test. Surely there must be drivers with 40 or 50 year gaps between passing their test and yet there is still no further requirement to demonstrate how changes to safety on ever more congested roads applies to them.

My fork lift licence required a refresh every 3 years or I could not do my job. My driving licence does not.

Recently I had to update my driving licence because it was nearly 10 years old. Surely, as a condition of a new licence being issued, can’t the Minister in charge of transport add a simple on-line test to the application process, where a driver MUST be made aware of AND demonstrate knowledge of any new changes to the Highway Code?

As well as highlighting the new safety directives, it will make prosecution of bad drivers easier when drivers fail to put the new rules into action if they have to show they know the rules.

This way, eventually ALL drivers will be compelled to be aware of existing and future changes to the Highway Code, at not much cost to the Government, and we all benefit.

I do believe that as a car driver and as a cyclist that I am much more aware of the dangers that I encounter as a cyclist, that I was pretty complacent about when I was only driving.

30 January 2024, 15:28
Speaking of the joys of time trialling…

I think it’s fair to say young Ferney Molina left everything on the road on the way to coming fifth at the U23 Colombian national time trial championships:

Go get that lad a McDonald’s!

30 January 2024, 14:59
Campagnolo makes Bora Ultra WTO and Bora WTO road wheelsets “lighter” and “more aerodynamic”

Campagnolo has revamped its Bora wheelset range, updating both the Ultra WTO and WTO road bike wheels. The iconic Italian brand claims that they are lighter and more aerodynamic than their predecessors and like many modern wheels now feature a wider internal rim width. However, one thing that hasn’t benefited from some weight reduction is the price tag – prices for the range start at a rather hefty £2,200 a pair. Ouch.

2024 Campagnolo Bora Ultra WTO riding shot

Read more: > Campagnolo makes Bora Ultra WTO and Bora WTO road wheelsets “lighter” and “more aerodynamic”

30 January 2024, 14:25
2023 Strade Bianche Pidcock  - 3.jpeg
Now can we start calling it the sixth monument? 2024 Strade Bianche set to feature more kilometres and more gravel sectors

Strade Bianche’s long-held claim to be professional cycling’s sixth monument kicked up a gear today in Siena, where the race organisers revealed that this year’s edition of the Tuscan classic is set to feature more kilometres and more white gravel roads than ever before.

The men’s race, won last year by Tom Pidcock, is set to be extended by over 30km, rising from an 184km-long test with 11 gravel sectors to a 215km one with a whopping 15 sections of gruelling, ever-changing white roads.

The increased distance of the men’s Strade Bianche has now brought it considerably closer, in terms of length at least, to cycling’s five most prestigious one-day classics, which tend to range between 240km and 260km (the shortest of the monuments, Il Lombardia, clocked in at 238km last autumn).

2020 Strade Bianche (Cor Vos)

(SWPix/Cor Vos)

Of course, Strade Bianche has long been touted as the number one contender to the ‘sixth monument’ crown, with only its shorter distance – equating, roughly, to two hours of racing – holding it back in terms of prestige. This year’s revamped route should go some way to closing the gulf to the big five, and amplifying the by-now annual clamour for it to be given a title that, in reality, holds little significance except in the minds of cycling obsessives.

Meanwhile, the women’s race – won in epic fashion in Siena by Demi Vollering over her SD Worx teammate Lotte Kopecky – will increase by one solitary kilometre to 137km, but also feature four more gravel sectors, bringing the total to 12.

Both races’ additional gravel kilometres stem from the inclusion of an extra lap before the run-in to Siena and its mythical final climb, with the often decisive climbs of Colle Pinzuto and Le Tolfe now set to be tackled twice.

30 January 2024, 13:59
MPs call for urgent changes for victims of road violence

MPs from across parliament came together today to call for urgent changes for the victims of road violence, telling a Westminster Hall debate about harrowing cases of road violence from across the United Kingdom and urging action such as compulsory re-testing for disqualified driving, ensuring that exceptional hardship truly is exceptional, thorough investigation of major collisions, escalating penalties for repeat offences, and more.

Newmarket Road fatal collision sign, Norwich (credit: Peter Silburn)

Read more: > MPs call for urgent changes for victims of road violence

30 January 2024, 13:25
Young Dutch sprinter Casper van Auden pips Dylan Groenewegen and Tim Merlier on first stage of the AlUla Tour

Late January and early February mean only one thing in the cycling world – lunchtime sprint finishes!

And after a few weeks battling sleep to catch even a glimpse of the racing down under, must-watch-live viewers will be pleased to learn that the peloton has migrated to the Middle East, for some much more civilised stage finish times (apologies, Aussie cycling fans, I appreciate you have to put up with it all year round).

On today’s opening stage of the five-day race formerly known as the Saudi Tour, DSM-Firmenich PostNL’s promising young Dutch sprinter Casper van Auden surprised the big guns, as the 22-year-old launched early and held off the vastly more experienced Dylan Groenewegen and Tim Merlier for arguably the biggest win of his career.

Van Auden has shown his promise in fast finishes before, of course, taking wins at the Tour de Normandie, and coming close at both the Tour of Britain and Milano-Torino last year, but he’s certainly started his 2024 season with one or two prestigious scalps on the first day of the AlUla Tour.

Take a note of the name.

30 January 2024, 12:58
National time trial road bike Tamsin Miller - CTT
“If you have a bike, you can ride a time trial!” Road bike participation in time trials up 42 per cent, after TT governing body introduced new category last year

Cycling Time Trials’ decision to introduce a separate category for standard road bikes at all of its events last year appears to have paid dividends, as the governing body announced this week that road bike participation in TTs has risen by more than half, proving – according to CTT’s chairperson – that “if you have a bike, you can ride a time trial”.

Last April, in a bid to encourage more people to race solo against the clock, the governing body for time trials in England, Wales, and Scotland created a distinct road bike category, which meant riders without the fancy tech and aero bars could simply click the road bike option when entering a CTT-sanctioned event, with post-ride results listed and scored separately from those on TT bikes.

> Road bike category introduced by British time trial governing body to "get more people time trialling"

And according to CTT, which today announced its dates and courses for the 2024 season, the move has worked a treat, boosting road bike numbers by 42 per cent, with 83 per cent of the time trialling newbies trying out British cycling’s holiest of disciplines for the first time last year doing so on dropped bars.

“While I’m excited to see how the elite riders perform in this superb 2024 calendar, I’m also proud that time trialling is once again becoming a sport for everyone,” CTT’s chair Andrea Parish said today.

“Our data shows that road bike participation is up 42 per cent compared with last year and that 83  per cent of riders new to time trialling entered the road bike category exclusively.

“For me it’s essential that our sport doesn’t put up barriers. If you have a bike, you can ride a time trial!”

30 January 2024, 12:24
2023 Men's Ryedale Grasscrete Grand Prix (Craig Zadoroznyj/SWpix.com)
British Cycling’s elite road racing task force shares recommendations for “reinvigorating” flagging domestic scene

British Cycling’s elite road racing task force, set up last August to support the governing body as it attempts to “innovate and energise” local racing in Britain, has shared a list of 16 recommendations which it hopes will breathe new life into a flagging domestic scene suffering from setback after setback in recent years.

Chaired by Ed Clancy, the task force engaged with more than 250 people across the sport in the UK to consider the composition of the elite national calendar, the challenges facing the rapidly dwindling number of domestic teams, and opportunities to grow the reach and profile of local races.

Its 16 recommendations to the governing body – which aim to help create a varied, competitive, and sustainable National Road Series, a National Circuit Series tailored for mass audiences, and ensure that Britain retains its WorldTour stage races following the recent demise of Tour of Britain and Women’s Tour organisers SweetSpot – are as follows:

Explore the creation of a centralised procurement function.

Produce a new branding, marketing and communications framework.

Undertake a full review of the digital strategy.

Develop event organiser succession plans for all national series events.

Develop a ‘Winning Pattern’ playbook based on existing successful races.

Consider a targeted sponsorship agreement for the National Series.

Review rider entry processes to stimulate early entries.

Develop best practice guidance for teams.

Undertake a full review of the National Circuit Series.

Prioritise National Circuit Series locations by audience size.

Review the entry criteria for WorldTour riders to enter the National Circuit Series.

Review the national road calendar and ensure more races are outside of the north of England.

All efforts should be made to ensure delivery of the Tour of Britain and a UCI Women’s World Tour stage race in 2024.

Explore opportunities to increase the number of UCI 1.2 and 2.2 races.

Undertake a full review of race distances and rider qualification criteria.

Consider a new range of jerseys for the National Road Series and a capped maximum entry cost.

“It’s been a real privilege to lead the Elite Road Racing Task Force through this process and I hope that the recommendations published today can help to galvanise the community and help domestic road racing to grow and flourish in the future,” Olympic champion pursuiter Clancy said in a statement yesterday.

“While the task force members have done a huge amount of work, our recommendations belong to the whole community. We’re hugely thankful to everybody who took time to engage with us through the process, and their experience and insight was vital in enabling us to paint a true picture of the current opportunities and challenges they see.

“Though this now concludes our work, the task force will continue to be a critical and supportive friend as British Cycling moves into its implementation phase, and we look forward to seeing the plans take shape.”

> How do we save UK bike racing? SweetSpot's PR Director on Women's Tour cancellation and staying positive for the future

Responding to the task force’s recommendations, British Cycling CEO Jon Dutton said: “I’d like to thank Ed and the task force members for their commitment to the process over the past four months as we collectively look to tackle a matter of real importance for our sport and our membership.

“While it is clear from the report that there are no easy answers, we have taken positive steps with our 2024 elite road calendar, and now have a clear long-term roadmap to propel our national level events towards sustainable growth in the future.

“This has been a new way of working for British Cycling, which demonstrates our commitment to openness and collaboration with our communities, and to finding solutions to our most pressing challenges. We look forward to sharing our progress over the months and years ahead.”

30 January 2024, 11:59
Bring me my arrows of desire, being me my spear (but just not next to the cycle lane, okay?)
30 January 2024, 10:58
Yet another example of why hi-vis clothing may not be a panacea for cyclists’ road safety, after all

Cue the obligatory ‘but, but cyclists’ comments... 

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Hirsute | 10 months ago
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The rantyhighwayman retweeted

"The driver is 100% at fault here, but this is a clear example of how badly designed infrastructure can significantly increase the risk of dangerous driving occurring. Any competent driver will look at the whole road, poor drivers don't. Infrastructure needs to accommodate that."

https://twitter.com/magnatom/status/1752271168889905660

 

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stonojnr replied to Hirsute | 10 months ago
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I'd agree with that, I've been nearly hit by cars so many times entering roundabouts like that I won't ride those outer lines regardless of the infra in place.

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Rendel Harris | 10 months ago
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The most spectacular bit of victim blaming I saw on the cyclist on a roundabout story was somebody explaining that they didn't help themselves much because they didn't have any lights on in broad daylight and that would've helped the motorist to see them and avoid them. They'll just keep on piling on conditions until they find a way of making it the cyclist's fault, expect in the not too distant future to hear "I am a cyclist myself, but you have to admit that as he wasn't carrying an activated distress flare and playing a trombone he wasn't really doing the best he could to avoid a collision…"

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 10 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

"...as he wasn't carrying an activated distress flare and playing a trombone he wasn't really doing the best he could to avoid a collision…"

The latter would at least protect from the dreaded Lurgi though.

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Rendel Harris replied to chrisonabike | 10 months ago
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Ah, my old man used to have the records of those shows when I was a kid, that was one of my favourites!

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kamoshika replied to Rendel Harris | 10 months ago
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I've had similar myself. Riding home from work, in broad daylight, on my 2 metre long bright green and yellow cargo bike, wearing a bright red jacket, someone pulled out from a side road right in front of me. I slammed on my brakes to avoid going into the side of them and gave them a "what the...." shout. As she drove away  she shouted "where are your lights?" laugh

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Kapelmuur replied to kamoshika | 10 months ago
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In my case the driver pulled out of her drive and slammed on the brakes when belatedly spotting me,  and then shouted "why aren't you thanking me".

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Surreyrider replied to kamoshika | 10 months ago
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Was your response "where are your eyes?"

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mctrials23 replied to Rendel Harris | 10 months ago
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Realistically cyclists should behave like cars when they first appeared. We should have at least 1, probably 2 people walking ahead of us waving flags to denote our coming. 

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Patrick9-32 | 10 months ago
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That looks like it could be a constant bearing, reducing distance issue. The cyclist could have been hidden behind the A pillar of the car until they were in front of the bonnet. A competent driver avoids this by slowing down as they approach a roundabout and moving their head to make sure they have properly sighted the road they are trying to enter. This driver clearly did neither. 

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mattw replied to Patrick9-32 | 10 months ago
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 A competent driver wobbles their head to see round their blindspots !

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ROOTminus1 replied to mattw | 10 months ago
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mattw wrote:

 A competent driver wobbles their head to see round their blindspots !

A competent driver is observant of what's on the roundabout as they begin braking to approach it, when the entire junction is visible in their windscreen with no blind spots. If there is any doubt that something might be in their blind spot as they approach the give way line, they come to complete standstill before pulling out onto the roundabout.

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BigSigh replied to Patrick9-32 | 10 months ago
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It seems to be more and more the default that drivers don't stop at roundabouts or junctions - just keep going and do an emergency stop if there's someone there.
Competent drivers are few and far between.

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hawkinspeter replied to BigSigh | 10 months ago
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BigSigh wrote:

It seems to be more and more the default that drivers don't stop at roundabouts or junctions - just keep going and do an emergency stop if there's someone there. Competent drivers are few and far between.

I aim to do something similar on my bike as it keeps the momentum, but of course it'd be me suffering if I mis-judge the situation.

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mattw replied to BigSigh | 10 months ago
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BigSigh wrote:

It seems to be more and more the default that drivers don't stop at roundabouts or junctions - just keep going and do an emergency stop if there's someone there. Competent drivers are few and far between.

That is the killer argument for approach roads orthogonal to roundabouts.

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chrisonabike replied to mattw | 10 months ago
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Proper geometries, dependent on the traffic flows and desired speed limit indeed!

Unfortunately that likely puts many UK ones outside the limits considered safe for Dutch "cycle priority" roundabouts. Or even the rural "cycling doesn't have priority" design (considered safest by a certain Mr. Hembrow).

https://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/05/the-best-roundabout-design...

In fact the large, busy, often multi-lane UK ones would seem to require transformation into turbo-roundabouts because safer for motorists. That then *requires* grade-separation for walking and cycling.

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2022/01/05/a-new-cycling-viaduct-over...

The *best* thing of course would be a network-level redesign of our traffic networks instead of applying reactive "fixes"...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G24x26s3Hjg&t=298

Actually - that's a country-wide change of transport goals please! Hmm... maybe we should just stick to asking for some potholes filled?

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to chrisonabike | 10 months ago
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A few roundabouts on dual carriageway arterial roads near me have been fitted with metal fencing along the central reservation on approach which blocks your view of oncoming vehicles. Especially where the structure is not angular, but follows a curve where you could easily maintain all your speed and navigate the infrastructure without lifting or braking if unobstructed. So you have to slow to a crawl at minimum in order to navigate safely because you don't know what's coming until you're almost at the give way line. It's not perfect but navigating the roundabout to come off the main drag does feel a bit safer on both two and four wheels. Shame that kind of infra can't be implemented on all roundabout designs.

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chrisonabike replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 10 months ago
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EDIT - missed your "dual carriageway" bit.
Where cars only, slightly softer "not the best idea though" but only because likely no cyclists there.

Hmm... I'd say "no" on balance to these, especially where cyclists would be on the road or would interact with motorists at all.

Yes it can be effective as it's leveraging "fear of the unknown" and self-interest. Overall though guiding behaviour on the roads using fear and uncertainty is going in the wrong direction - humans are far more likely to go wrong in that state.

Blocking vision *prevents* an important safety behaviour namely looking at what is coming up - so careful drivers - and myself on a bike - can't do it either.

I sometimes have to navigate similar structures by bike and I dislike them! I don't want to feel "what's round that corner" more than i do. Being slowed on a bike makes things much less convenient than the same in a motor vehicle and if you're in the path of traffic (on the road) can also make you feel more vulnerable. It's much harder to get out of the way quickly if you need - unless you're a track athlete...

Yet again by trial and error the Dutch have the answer. Do not build roundabouts with cycling interaction on roads where people (can) drive quickly or there is a large volume of traffic. Make small, tight roundabouts with single lanes and with roads joining at right angles. The carriageway should have "adverse camber" on the roundabout itself so you get immediate feedback to slow down. For busy roundabouts / high volumes separate vehicles from cycling completely and consider *preventing* motorists changing lanes on the roundabout at all.

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eburtthebike | 10 months ago
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It is clear, both from their behaviour and comments, that some people just do not understand that there are vehicles other than cars on the road.  IMHO, this makes them incapable of driving safely, and they should have their licences removed until they can demonstrate that they comprehend that others are allowed to ride, walk, drive on our highways.

I hope that driver suffered that fate, and is no longer in charge of a lethal weapon.

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Hirsute | 10 months ago
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Warwickshire cyclist - those cycle lanes around the edge of a roundabout are just dangerous and I'd never use them. Appalling infrastructure.

Roundabouts are not used well by driver on driver either

see dashcam uk best of 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0wadiKMIjM

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Velo-drone replied to Hirsute | 10 months ago
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They have those death strips various places across Rugby too. Specifically, across the mouths of junctions onto busy roads. Perhaps it's a Warwickshire thing.

It's almost as if someone went out with the intention of increasing danger to cyclists.

Sending cyclists round the edge of a roundabout like this puts them at greatest risk of collisions like this. But ESPECIALLY if, as here, the 'lane' vanishes when jt reaches the actual junction onto the roundabout, meaning drivers have no prompt to actually check it there's someone in that lane. So of course they only look at the motor vehicle lane, as the design has encouraged them to do.

Similarly, the 'red death' strips in Rugby typically only run along the mouth of junctions on busy roads that otherwise have no cycle lane, encouraging cyclists into the most dangerous place for them to be - maximum vulnerability to left hooks from drivers turning into the side road and maximum vulnerability to drivers pulling out - in the exact locations where majority of motor vehicle / cyclist collisions occur (i.e. junctions). Not only that, but they guarantee maximum rage from motorists at any cyclist who dares to position themselves more safely when passing those junctions. It's literally hard to imagine a way to get worse outcomes than these 'red death' strips.

I hope that Warwickshire Council reviews and eliminates them all.

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Wales56 | 10 months ago
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https://youtu.be/IGQmdoK_ZfY?si=4CwV0Msu3UAyG8AM

when lloking for cars you see only cars.....

(im relatted 2 Danny)

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the little onion | 10 months ago
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It's also known as Vine's law - "In any situation involving a cyclist and a driver, someone on the internet will blame it entirely on the cyclist, irrespective of the actual details."

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