After yesterday’s blog – and its focus on the “plagues of two-wheeled vermin” swarming around Box Hill, at least according to one oddly furious, tuba-playing student – reminded us that vicious anti-cycling invectives can cut across the generations, we’re now diverting our attention back to one of the anti-cycling OGs, ‘Mr Loophole’ himself, Nick Freeman.
> Bizarre ‘Young Reporter’ anti-cycling opinion piece by schoolkid bemoans “plagues of two-wheeled vermin” on Box Hill, making them late for music lessons
It’s been a while – over three months in fact – since Freeman, a lawyer famous for obtaining not guilty verdicts for celebrities charged with driving offences, last popped up on our timeline, calling for cyclists to be required to fit registration plates on their bikes, or be subject to speed limits, and penalty points… And not so much on phone use behind the wheel, but you get the point.
> Mr Loophole makes renewed call for cyclist number plates, but gets shut down by Jeremy Vine show panel
But this week, he’s back doing what he does best, appearing in the Express to complain about “kamikaze” cyclists dangerously “overtaking and undertaking” motorists in new 20mph zones “with impunity”.
The widespread implementation of 20mph zones, Freeman says, is a “contradiction in terms” because it doesn’t apply to cyclists – who are constantly zooming about at over 20mph of course (now, don’t bring up time trials, okay?).
Oh, and he also slotted in his personal favourite – arguing that any legislation to require cyclists to adhere to speed limits “will lack teeth if cyclists remain anonymous”, and that any road traffic law which “applies to motor vehicles apply to cyclists and e-bikes too.”
All the hits, then.
> “We warned that voting for these parties would lead to anti-car measures”: 20mph speed limit plan to “really encourage more cycle journeys” slammed as “nuts” and “extremely worrying”
“There is so much fanfare about how roads with 20mph limits will be so much safer,” Freeman said in the Express. “But how on earth can cyclists safely share road space with cars on 20mph roads when those on bikes don’t have to observe the limit?
“How can you have a speed limit which claims to protect all, yet which doesn’t apply to certain road users? It is a contradiction in terms.
“Because of this disparity, we see legally compliant cars crawling along at 20mph while kamikaze cyclists dangerously undertake and overtake these vehicles with impunity – because there is no law to stop them from doing so.
“How on earth is this supposed to advance the cause of road safety?”
Ah yes, that classic dichotomy – a motorist travelling at 20mph is “crawling along”, while a cyclist riding at the same speed is “dangerous”. Might want to think that one through a bit more, Nick.
> "Far more pleasant for walkers and cyclists": 20mph speed limit analysis hailed "astonishing", with drivers' journeys just 45 seconds longer
And it’s not just those pesky kamikaze cyclists motorists have to be worried about in the 20mph zones.
“At present drivers in a 20mph zone are constantly having to focus on their speedometer which is a distraction in itself,” Freeman adds.
“But they also have the additional responsibility of looking out for kamikaze cyclists. It’s such a dangerous situation and one the government either overlooked or didn’t consider when drafting legislation for bikes and cyclists on our roads.
“The number of accidents involving cyclists and pedestrians is increasing exponentially – which is why there is an urgent need to legislate to ensure cyclists obey the speed limit.
“Roads with a 20mph limit are already causing massive congestion whilst motorists are distracted by the constant need to brake. Allowing cyclists to ignore the limit simply makes a dangerous situation so much worse.”
> "Dangerous" cyclists "entirely unaccountable" and should have number plates, argues former Met Police chief
And don’t worry, he’s about to mention number plates now.
"Any legislation will lack teeth if cyclists remain anonymous,” Freeman says of the means of clamping down on ‘speeding’ cyclists. “They must be required to display a form of identification – say a registered tabard or registration plate – and have a licence or insurance.
“Otherwise it is hard for those who break the law to be caught. In other words, make the same road traffic law which applies to motor vehicles apply to cyclists and e-bikes too.”
Of course, Mr Loophole has been a longstanding proponent of cycling number plates – to no great effect – with his 2021 petition on the issue limping across the 10,000-signature threshold for an official response from the government, only to be decidedly rejected by the Department for Transport (a stance consistently repeated since then).
But, sure if this latest campaign fails, he can always get a job as a ‘young reporter’ at This is Local London, right?
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"Could Nick Freeman act for a cyclist, were they to be done for wanton and furious riding in a 20 limit?"....
Definitely would depend if said "speed demon" was either famous/affluent enough to add to his "win" portfolio. Either way guy's a tool 🔧. Lawyers here are morally corrupt and Mr "loophole" isn't exempt and has used his knowledge to personally threaten people so now you know
I myself live on a 20 mph road with an assisted care home on one side and elderly housing on the other....none of the drivers care about how fast they go. As much as I hate roadworks it's entertaining to watch frequent speeders curb crawling till they get to the front of the queue
I'd have thought that 'kamikaze cyclists' would be pleasing to the anti-cycling mob.
After all, if they really *were* kamikaze ... they could only do it the once ...
Found this picture of J. Vingegaard...
Loopholes are for everyone, not just motorists.
As if you could not already guess that Nick "Mr. Poophole" Freeman was about to spaff out a load of demonstrably bollocks anti-cycling nonsense, he prewarned us all by also putting it in the Express.
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CTT are turning themselves inside out over 20 mph limits but really 20mph is fast enough. If they were proper cyclists they'd use kmh anyway, 32.18 kmh is fast enough for anyone on a bike on the roads. For racing there's Zwift and other virtual platforms. I see the VTTA have been running a very successful virtual TT series on Zwift recently. It makes no sense to race on public roads, especially now they've demonstrated/proven to everyone that on-line racing works and is popular.
That's the first time I encounter someone actually wanting to live in the Matrix... Or is it that you just want others to live there?
I think I missed it, but since Brexit, foreign cycle tourists could be fleeced sic for the supply of temporary cycle number plates (unless they arrive from Eire & promise to stay on the island!)
Are cyclists really allowed to break the speed limit? If so that does seem a bit weird. The "They can't be expected to keep to the speed limit, since they haven't got speedometers" thing strikes me as a bit of a non-argument. We haven't got breathalysers either, but we're still expected not cycle if over the limit.
It's not really a bit weird. Speed restrictions often vary depending on the type (i.e. weight) of vehicle that you're driving. For example lorries are restricted to 60mph on a motorway yet cars are restricted to 70mph. It's not a blanket one size fits all. Maybe it is for car-centric people who's narrow view of the world is shaped by the view out of their windscreen? [well your view should be out of your windscreen but may be more likely of your speedo]
There are plenty of countries where the indicated speed limits do apply to cyclists. I know riders who have been fined for doing > 70 kmh in a 50 kmh zone. Not one of them whinged about "car centric" this, that or the other.
I'm not sure there's any specific legal reason why the law couldn't be changed such that it says "speed limits apply to everyone - it's up to (the cyclists) how they ensure they obey it, that's their look out". Then simply punish any going above the posted speed. (Presumably our learned friends are happy with the evidence the police present in motoring cases and assuming the speed-measuring tech will adapt to cycles - which I'm sure could be worked out).
I can think of lots of practical reasons why this would be a giant waste of time and money... Especially as - as mentioned - there are already things the police can charge cyclists with.
OTOH this has already served its purpose and given a certain lawyer some extra publicity...
Presumably such measures would "make it fairer". But I strongly suspect those concerned who don't cycle are not actually motivated by "fairness" - or at least not a more mature consideration of same. It's "they're going faster than me / getting in front"...
If you propose going down that route would it make sense to abolish the "plus a certain percentage" for motorists' speeds also? That would seem fair - unless you're also proposing the introduction of exactly the same (regularly calibrated) type of speedometers on all bicycles at point of sale? So either having "we don't care how you stick to the limit, we just police exactly that limit" OR "everyone has to have calibrated speedometers to assist them and we allow for x% above as the speedometer they rely on may not be perfect".
Cyclists don't have pay insurance or tax but I do, so it's not fair.
It should be a level playing field because a 100+ kg lardy rider and bike at 20 kph is exactly the same as a 44T lorry at 55kph.
You only have to have a quick glance at this thread to see the utter destruction cyclists wreak on cars and buildings
https://road.cc/content/forum/car-crashes-building-please-post-your-loca...
Cool story bro.
Nothing unusual in that - think of the bragging rights
You don't really think those two things are comparable, do you? Here's a clue - cars have speedometers, but drivers don't have breathalysers.
They are clearly comparable. They are both devices that will tell whether you are over the limit or not.
Telling whether you have had a drink before driving or cycling is something everyone can do. Knowing what speed you are going without a device to tell you is not. They are clearly different and you are just trolling.
We need pedestrian (and canine!) speedos now before someone gets killed!
Sure. If you think that is the only way to stop them exceeding the speed limit.
Personally I disagree with the law and would be happy for cyclists to come under the breathalyser but actually there's no prohibition against a cyclist riding over the drink-drive limit for car drivers, you can only be charged with not being in a fit state to have control of the machine. There is no obligation to provide breath or blood or urine samples if suspected of cycling drunk and a refusal to do so cannot be used against you in court.
those two are very different, as speed is constantly changing, and staying under the alcohol limit is simple by just not drinking.
I don't see the problem. Anyone who has cycled a bit should have a fairly good idea of what riding at 20 mph (or 30 mph) feels like. Keeping below that can't be that big a challenge. And less experienced cyclists are unlikely to exceed 20 mph by accident anyway.
FTFY.
Sounds even stupider though.
Since the speed limits for motor vehicles do not apply to cyclists it is not so much that they are allowed to break it as that it is not allowed to be enforced upon them in the same way that speed limits for HGVs are not allowed to be enforced upon cars.
In the US (not that you should look here for safety hints) it varies by state whether drink driving rules apply to cyclists. I believe that speed limits apply in all states, but we are not required to have speedometers on bicycles. I do know several people who have received speeding tickets while cycling.
Interestingly, although all states require license plates, not all require a front plate. But, we can drive freely from state to state, so a Tennesee driver passing through Ohio does not need to somehow acquire a front plate to do so. They are occasionally ticketed by police who don't know the law.
There is no legislation for speeding bicycles. Just like there isnt for horses. Hence speeding cannot happen.
Careless and Dangerous riding can be applied to both - but crucially its usually about more than just speed. Though technically a cop can get a rider charged purely on their speed but its rare. Imagine the subjective difference between "going too fast" and "weaving across the road".
The levelling of trolling is falling
LOOK NO HANDS
THAT IS A SELECTION OF "LOOK NO HANDS" CYCLISTS TAKEN BY ME RANDOMLY OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS SO DON'T TELL ME DRIVERS ARE THE PROBLEM DRIVERS GET THE BLAME BUT WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM
"In a park, going in the direction of the one way, with no cars allowed, with no other users in sight on the road. So he has his hands off the handlebars, where’s the risk to others here? What am I missing hashtagseemslikeyoureclutchingatstraws"
"This is a relatively flat bit of road in Holyrood park (Edinburgh) that is one way (the direction the cyclist is going) and is closed to motorised traffic most of the week. There are no pedestrian paths joining the road from the right side due to the cliffs. What’s the problem?"
"At present drivers in a 20mph zone are constantly having to focus on their speedometer which is a distraction in itself,” Freeman adds."
Freeman is right, it is dangerous for drivers to spend time focussed on their speedo in 20 limits. The solution is to activate the speed limiters present in all modern vehicles linked to the GPS present in all modern vehicles so they are limited to the speed limit of the road and the driver can focus on the road and any potential hazards around them. Thanks Nick.
20 limits have been around long enough that if you are still incapable of sticking to them with more than an occasional glance and the speedo as you would in any other speed limit you should have your license revoked as you clearly are not in full control of your vehicle.
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