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“Why are you giving cyclists a heads up? You wouldn’t notify motorists”: Drivers respond to police enforcement operation “targeting anti-social cycling”; Why does Britain have a national bike mechanic shortage? + more on the live blog

It’s Tuesday, it’s been snowing (in some places), and Ryan Mallon’s back with more bike-related news, views, and nonsense on the live blog

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09 January 2024, 09:36
Joint enforcement operation targeting anti-social cycling in London (City of London Police)
“Why are you giving cyclists a heads up? You wouldn’t notify motorists”: Drivers respond to police enforcement operation “targeting anti-social cycling”

It’s that time of the year again, when police forces around the country launch targeted operations – coupled with the obligatory social media post outlining their endeavour – aiming to clamp down on “anti-social cycling” and other, presumably more minor, traffic offences.

Back in February 2022, Safer Transport Team officers in Hackney, working towards London’s Operation Zero bid to eliminate road deaths, fined 18 cyclists in the space of 90 minutes for jumping red lights (prompting some cyclists in the comments to ask if a similar operation had been carried out focusing on phone drivers).

And last September, Police Scotland said a ‘Vulnerable Road User’ initiative led to four cyclists fined in Edinburgh for riding through red lights, while police in Salisbury were told to “grow up” after preventing commuter cyclists from riding against a one-way system during a targeted operation in December.

> “Grow up”: Police criticised for targeting “incredibly dangerous” cyclists riding against one-way system

Now it’s the turn of officers in the City of London Police to brave the cold and frosty conditions this morning and target law-breaking, anti-social cyclists.

“We’re down at Bank Junction hosting a joint enforcement operation targeting anti-social cycling and traffic offences,” the force’s social media account tweeted this morning.

“We’re also offering free cycle marking, alongside crime prevention advice too.”

However, while similar operations have been fiercely criticised by cyclists in the past, this pre-emptive tweet hasn’t gone down too well with some motorists.

“Why are you giving cyclists a heads up? You wouldn’t notify motorists of your intentions,” said an account belonging to a drone operator (apparently).

“Maybe because cyclists don’t kill 1,800 people annually?” Leigh pithily responded.

Meanwhile, Sandra asked the officers to also attend to Moorgate junction, which she described as “like Wacky Races crossing there some days!”

“Jeremy Vine will be off on one,” Jason chipped in, with the by-now obligatory mention of the Vinester.

And The Edge (not the U2 guitarist with the two chords, I presume) wrote: “Careful now, you'll trigger the cycling lobby.”

Does this blog story count as being triggered?

09 January 2024, 15:59
“PR stunt to placate the three people who emailed about it”: More reaction to City of London Police’s anti-social cycling operation, featuring calls for bike number plates (obviously)

Since the City of London Police launched their latest operation targeting anti-social cyclists (and those committing other traffic offences) this morning, it’s continued to divide opinion within the pro-motoring, potentially anti-cycling community, with some drivers praising the police’s “bloody good work” and others dismissing it as a “PR stunt”.

“Undoubtedly this will upset some in the cycling lobby,” wrote 1552 (who named him? Elon Musk? Actually, on second thought…).

“But if you campaign to make a form of transport the primary option, you have to accept the accompanying legislation and regulation. Well done. It would be nice to see this replicated elsewhere.”

“Excellent work,” added John. “The usual lot will be taking offence and moaning. Car drivers’ fault.”

Meanwhile, we were also treated to a few more anti-cycling bingo specials:

It all comes back to Jeremy these days, doesn’t it?

While Viscount Toad treated us to a long-awaited rendition of Bike Number Plates Now, writing: “Good, we need to see more of this. Compulsory registration plates would greatly help, of course.”

Lord Hogan-Howe, is that you?

> "Dangerous" cyclists "entirely unaccountable" and should have number plates, argues former Met Police chief

However, some drivers weren’t as impressed with the police’s tactics.

“I’d prefer it if they used the sneaky unmarked police cyclists like they use when catching drivers in close pass up here,” said Robert.

Vocal anti-cycling account Suicyclists also wrote: “Are you issuing fines for no lights etc? Or just a PR stunt?” – which prompted cyclist Guido to reply, “PR stunt to placate the three people who emailed about it.”

While Chapona Bike decided to wind them all up spectacularly:

Don’t encourage them… 

09 January 2024, 17:28
Speed cameras - image CC licensed via Amanda Slater on Flickr.jpg
“Is that a joke?” So, do motorists ever receive a ‘heads-up’? Yes, all the time is the answer

Meanwhile, down in the comments section of this blog, road.cc reader brooksby was perplexed by this morning’s assertion by our grumbling motorist that “you wouldn’t notify motorists” about upcoming police enforcement operations.

“Is that a joke?” brooksby asked. “Does that person know that in pretty much every ‘local’ ‘news’ paper, they have an article on the Monday telling motorists where the police mobile speed cameras are going to be for the next week??”

Meanwhile, NickSprink chipped in: “Big news yesterday on the BBC and elsewhere about police in Wales starting to enforce the new 20mph limit, does that not count as a ‘heads up’?”

“Don’t a number of police forces advertise that mobile speed cameras will be out this week/weekend?” asked Hirsute.

Speed camera (CC licensed image by DaveBleasdale:Flickr)

“They literally put up signs warning drivers there are speed cameras, and paint the speed cameras bright yellow so they are easy to see,” wrote Steve K, hammering home the point.

“Strange. Every Christmas there are well publicised police operations targeting drink drivers,” noted Capt Sisko. “The authorities go to great expenditure to warn drivers there may be speed cameras ahead or unmarked police cars patrolling.

“Then there are the constant ‘Operation XYZ’ that my local rag publishes to say the police will be running in the next two weeks and will be targeting assorted motoring offenses or the notices saying there’s a court order against ‘car cruising’ in this area.

“Yet all that advanced warning of targeting anti-social driving doesn’t seem to register with these cycle haters does it?”

Apparently not…

09 January 2024, 16:46
Lidl-Trek partner with Rouvy
Lidl-Trek announces new technical training and virtual recce partnership with Rouvy

Virtual indoor training app Rouvy has stepped up into the WorldTour this week by announcing a new technical partnership with Lidl-Trek. As well as racking up the indoor training miles on the app, Lidl-Trek’s riders will also be able to take advantage of Rouvy’s real-world riding environment to prepare for races.

While we’re used to seeing riders peer at blurry Google images or staff videos as they pin their numbers on before races, Lidl-Trek’s riders now have the opportunity to adopt what Rouvy calls “an increasingly meticulous approach to racing” by virtually riding the routes beforehand.

So, prepare for a bus full of pros lined up on their turbo trainers in sprint train formation as they recce the final 3km before signing on every morning at the Tour…

“We’re absolutely thrilled to embark on this groundbreaking partnership with Lidl-Trek,” Rouvy’s product experience director Antonin Parma said in a statement.

“At Rouvy, we pride ourselves on bringing the most realistic cycling experience to our users, and this collaboration takes it to a new level. By meticulously recording the Tour Down Under routes in Australia, we've provided Lidl-Trek with unparalleled training opportunities on authentic terrains.

“Throughout the year, we'll be adding an array of famous cycling routes, including UCI race courses, Spring Classics, and iconic Grand Tour courses like La Vuelta.”

“At the moment we’re dropping our little Google Maps man and walking some of the roads, so to have the roads filmed and readily available to ride will really help,” Lidl-Trek’s British star Elynor Backstedt added.

“And it’ll help the climbers be able to feel the climbs and different gradients, and also for sprint finishes, you can get more of a feel for how much a road is uphill/downhill, if there’s corners, and I think that’ll be a really big advantage for us.”

I’ll give it until March before we hear the first ‘X rides every Paris-Nice stage virtually after finish as a warm-down for extra training’ story…

09 January 2024, 15:38
Lucinda Brand set to race Dutch national cyclocross championships this weekend – despite breaking her nose at Zonhoven on Sunday

Nothing, not even a broken nose, can keep Lucinda Brand away from the ‘cross field.

As noted on yesterday’s blog, the multidisciplinary star was leading the field during the third lap of Zonhoven’s iconic sandy World Cup race when she suffered a nasty, high-speed crash, which saw her faceplant the ground hard.

While she was able to get back on her feet and walk off the course, it was clear Brand was in considerable pain as she held her face, bringing a premature end to what had been shaping up to be a thrilling head-to-head battle with eventual winner Puck Pieterse.

But despite the injuries she sustained in the crash – including a broken nose – the 34-year-old Lidl-Trek rider confirmed this morning that, thanks to her ability to breathe normally, there will be no disruption to her cyclocross schedule and that she’ll be taking to the start in Hoogeveen this weekend for the Dutch national champs.

“I will forever be reminded of ‘De Kuil’,” Brand wrote on Instagram earlier today, accompanied by an x-ray of her broken nose.

“The nasty crash cost me a broken nose [but] as I’m able to breathe normally there is no further treatment required. Which means I’m really looking forward to compete at Nationals this weekend!

“Got overwhelmed by all the messages of you all, I really appreciate the support from all of you.”

I can see the headlines now: ‘Brand wins by a nose’, or ‘Brand sniffs out victory at national championships’ (Dutch headline writers, you can thank me later…).

09 January 2024, 15:00
Remkel Landapoel

Remco Evenepoel isn’t just spending his week in Calpe spinning the legs and watching Bingoal riders pass by, he’s also been busy confirming his race calendar for 2024 – which, you’ve already guessed, includes that much-rumoured and long-anticipated debut at the Tour de France – and meeting up with Soudal Quick-Step’s new signings, such as the mercurial, cult fan base-inspiring Spanish climber Mikel Landa.

It must be said, though I’m sure I’ll get used to it, seeing Landa sport the colours of Belgium’s premier cycling team feels like one of those glitches in the rider contract matrix the sport throws up every so often, like when spindly Spanish climber Carlos Barredo raced for Boonen-era Quick-Step, or Alex Dowsett and Annemiek van Vleuten’s stints at Movistar.

Time will tell, of course, if a touch of Landismo can be sprinkled over Remco’s yellow jersey hopes, or whether poor Mikel’s season will again be defined by its memeability… (yes, that’s a word. Probably).

09 January 2024, 14:38
And next up in awards season – the road.cc Recommends Tyres of the Year

Frome Continental and Specialized to Pirelli, Michelin, and more, here’s our run-down of the best road and gravel tyres of the past year…

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> We reveal the road.cc Recommends Tyres of the Year 2023/24

09 January 2024, 13:59
‘Wait, was that Remco Evenepoel we just dropped?’

The Bingoal-WB boys certainly aren’t hanging about on their January training camp in Calpe, blowing by a certain former world champion like he was the kind of overly keen cyclo-tourist seemingly intent on following him everywhere he goes (seriously – has Remco ever been spotted in Spain without an amateur puffing and panting on his back wheel?).

> “Let them work and give them their space”: Remco Evenepoel tells amateur to stop following him during interval session

And you just know that slight head tilt and raise of the finger was code for ‘I’ll see you at the start line in Liège’…

09 January 2024, 13:25
Orange RX9 - riding 4
Orange Bikes confirms it is working with a “specialist business rescue advisory firm” to restructure company

Days after we reported that Orange Bikes issued a notice of intention to appoint an administrator, the beloved Halifax-based bike brand has confirmed that it is currently working with a “specialist business rescue advisory firm” to help secure the company’s future.

Off-road bike specialist Orange, whose notice to appoint an administrator followed hot on the heels of the winding down of its factory mountain bike racing team at the end of 2023, said in a brief statement:

Orange Bikes and its associated companies are currently working with specialist business rescue advisory firm J9 Advisory, with a view to restructuring the businesses in order to provide a viable platform to service our customers in the best way possible, safeguarding jobs and ensuring the continuation and strength of the Orange Bikes business moving forwards.

Read more: > Orange Bikes set to appoint administrator – weeks after folding racing team citing bike industry “uncertainty” 

And if you’re still struggling to get your head around what exactly is going on within the bike industry, at the start of a very turbulent 2024, keep your eyes peeled and your ears open for the first road.cc Podcast of the year, coming to a streaming platform near you on Thursday…

09 January 2024, 12:49
There’s getting your money’s worth, then there’s this…

Another classic of the ‘Your Bike Hates You’ genre here, courtesy of this East Sussex-based bike shop:

Ouch. Deary me, Martin…

Although, if I’m honest, I’d shudder to think what he’d make of my bikes at the moment. They’re still doing the job, aren’t they?

09 January 2024, 12:16
Romain Bardet, stage five, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
“What do I get from the sacrifices? Do I feel alive?” Romain Bardet admits 2024 season could be his last as a pro

With Thibaut Pinot now committed to a lifetime of posting selfies with animals on his farm, the other great French hope of the past decade or so, Romain Bardet, has also admitted that his thoughts are now beginning to slowly creep towards retirement.

The 33-year-old Tour de France podium finisher is about to enter the final year of his contract at DSM-Firmenich PostNL – the Dutch team he joined in 2021 after a prolonged and successful spell at AG2R, during which he allowed French fans to consistently dream of that long-awaited yellow jersey triumph – and, in a recent interview with L’Équipe, says he will wait until the summer before making any decision on his future in the sport.

“If I knew for sure, I'd say so. I’m thinking about it and that's healthy,” Bardet told the French sports paper.

“I’m fully committed to the 2024 project and I’m giving myself until the middle of the year to see how I manage the sacrifices, the twenty or so days I’ll have at home between January 1 and the end of May. What do I get in return from it? Do I feel alive?”

Romain Bardet on the Puy de Dôme, stage nine, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Bardet labours up the Puy de Dôme, his local climb, at the 2023 Tour (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

That 2024 project with DSM includes a return to the Giro d’Italia, where he withdrew with illness in 2022 while sitting in fourth on GC, and a final hurrah at the Tour, the site of his most emblematic successes since his emergence in the upper echelons of the yellow jersey battle in 2014, including three mountain stage wins, two podium finishes, and a King of the Mountains jersey.

However, Bardet says he won’t feel comfortable with the kind of emotional farewell afforded to his contemporary Pinot in the Vosges during the 2023 Tour.

“I wouldn't feel as legitimate about it,” he said.

“I don't want an episode two that would be either overdone or underdone, or that we could compare, because our track records and our careers are different.”

2022 tdf stage 7 romain bardet foil DSM SWPix/Zac Williams

 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Bardet also admitted that he experienced burn-out in 2019 and, while he has shown glimpses of good form while at DSM, says he felt he “lacked sparkle” last season, as he ponders whether to continue on into 2025 and beyond.

“I’ve been more vulnerable since Covid, I get sick a lot more. Is that the body sending me a message? I don’t know,” he said.

“I was consistent last season, but I felt like I was lacking sparkle. I didn’t need much to turn things around, but that’s ifs and buts. I want to be good at what I do.”

And, while we all know where Pinot’s energies will be devoted this year, what would retirement look like for Bardet?

“I’m burning with energy and commitment for my sport, but I'm already looking at ways of putting that energy into something that will have a positive impact,” the climber said.

“I’m thinking about models to attract big companies to cycling, to create a link between business and cycling, which rugby does so well.”

09 January 2024, 11:47
Now That’s What I Call Hi-Vis

Blimey, I’m not sure even the most devoted anti-cycling enthusiast – keen to pick apart any and all aspects of a rider’s attire – could find fault with this seemingly Tron-inspired example of night club-ready bike fashion, courtesy of safety garment manufacturer Gofluo.

Although I do know a fair few cyclists who would take umbrage against the use of those coveted rainbow bands – ‘But, but, but, have you actually won the world hi-vis championships?’

09 January 2024, 11:21
“More resilient” bollards planned for cycle lane made “completely pointless” by drivers parking in it

A cycle lane that local cyclists say has been rendered “pointless” by drivers knocking over the plastic wands that segregate the infrastructure from traffic in order to park their vehicles at the roadside, which at one spot is a mere 20 metres away from a multi-storey car park, is to be beefed up with “more robust” bollards, the council has said.

The cycle lane on Park Row in Bristol has proved to be a regular feature over the years here on road.cc, with one cyclist telling us in December 2022 that the route resembled “the aftermath of a Harry Potter battle” – with “broken wands everywhere”, in case you didn’t get the reference – thanks to the plastic segregation being easily knocked off the road by motorists parking in the bike lane.

But now, finally, Bristol City Council is set to launch a year-long project to make Park Row and three other streets “safer and more pleasant” for active travel journeys – including, notably, the installation of proper, “more resilient” bollards. So, hopefully that’ll be the last of the wizarding references (for a while anyway).

Park Row Bristol (@RobBryher/Twitter)

Read more: > “More resilient” bollards planned for cycle lane made “completely pointless” by drivers parking in it

09 January 2024, 10:57
Another cyclist stopped on the motorway – as police seize illegal e-bike

Another story to add to the relentlessly growing list of idiots caught cycling on motorways, as police in Hertfordshire pulled over a cyclist riding on the hard shoulder of the M25 at the weekend, before seizing the rider’s high-powered, illegal e-bike.

Hertfordshire Police said they were alerted to the rider at about 3.15pm on Sunday, stopping him at Potters Bar and taking his bike and reporting him.

Referring to the cyclist’s unrestricted bike, the police tweeted: “With a power output of over 250w and a maximum speed of 22mph it falls outside of EAPC regulations and cannot be ridden on our roads.”

In the UK, the maximum assisted speed legally allowed for an e-bike is 15.5mph.

In a statement, Sgt Jamie Cooper, from the Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, and Hertfordshire Road Policing Unit, added: “I would like to remind everyone that it is illegal and unsafe to ride any type of pedal cycle on the motorway.

“Some pedal cycles – like the one stopped by our officers – are also illegal on any road in the United Kingdom, due to them falling outside of the EAPC regulations.”

So remember folks, avoid the motorway for goodness’ sake (unless you’re Phil Gaimon riding on the permitted cycle hard shoulder of an American Interstate, annoying frothing motorists stuck in traffic, that is. Then it’s very much welcome.)

Cyclists, including Phil Gaimon, pass slow-moving traffic on Californian motorway (Phil Gaimon, Instagram)

> Retired pro cyclist slams “homicidal maniacs on the road” after driver says he’d “ram” him for passing cars in traffic 

09 January 2024, 10:29
It’s the most treacherous time of the year

Snow has been a-fallin’ (in some parts of the UK, anyway), so that means only one thing – time for road.cc to roll out our handy tips for riding your bike safely, and not falling off, when things get a touch too wintery…

Riding in ice and snow-10.jpg

> How to ride your bike through ice and snow — top tips for safe cycling when the mercury drops

09 January 2024, 10:08
Go Outdoors bike mechanic apprenticeship
Why does Britain have a “national bike mechanic shortage”?

We’ll have more on a new bike mechanic apprenticeship scheme from retailer Go Outdoors, designed to address the “needs of the cycle trade” and the current “national bike mechanic shortage”, shortly.

But before then, do any of our live blog regulars work as mechanics or have bike shop experience?

If so, what do you reckon is behind the current shortage of bike mechanics across the UK? Is it as simple as the pay’s just not attractive enough? Or are other factors at play?

Let us know in the comments!

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Steve K replied to SimoninSpalding | 10 months ago
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SimoninSpalding wrote:

I freely admit I like tinkering with bikes and every now and then I make things worse, and take it to a LBS to sort out. My opening line as I walk in is usually "I have run out of tools and talent again".

Pretty much a running joke with me and my LBS.

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IanMSpencer replied to SimoninSpalding | 10 months ago
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As an ex-mechanic, I was always a little disappointed that I couldn't persuade some customers to be a little more capable.

Plenty of jobs where they are easy with experience but if you don't try you won't get the experience. The ones to leave are the ones that need the special tools. Buy the tool if you aren't interested in being cost effective but don't mess things up hacking. (Home made tools are an option, and back in the day there was a certain website I relied on for the stuck square taper BB hack).

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brooksby replied to IanMSpencer | 10 months ago
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I remember chatting with the guy in my LBS when I needed a new chainset and he'd said it was actually pretty straightforward.  I said I'm happy with replacing tyres, tubes, brake pads, etc but that I know my limits and I'm more than happy to pay a professional to do the more complex stuff for me.

He may have been flattering me, but said that he reckoned that being able to replace brake pads probably made me more mechanically adept than 80-90% of people out there riding bikes 

(That said: I have been in that shop when people have come in and their opening comment is "I've got a flat tyre, can you fix it?").

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Rendel Harris replied to brooksby | 10 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

(That said: I have been in that shop when people have come in and their opening comment is "I've got a flat tyre, can you fix it?").

My favourite from some years ago from an LBS (the mechanic told me about it, didn't witness it myself): a lady brought in a bike with no tyre or tube on the rear wheel, carrying the requisite spares and looking a bit shamefaced and asking if the shop could put the new ones on. When asked what happened, it transpired that she couldn't figure out how to get the wheel off (it was a Sturmey Archer hub) so she had cut off her old worn tire and innertube with a Stanley knife before thinking about how she was going to get the new ones on…

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 10 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

I remember chatting with the guy in my LBS when I needed a new chainset and he'd said it was actually pretty straightforward.  I said I'm happy with replacing tyres, tubes, brake pads, etc but that I know my limits and I'm more than happy to pay a professional to do the more complex stuff for me.

He may have been flattering me, but said that he reckoned that being able to replace brake pads probably made me more mechanically adept than 80-90% of people out there riding bikes 

(That said: I have been in that shop when people have come in and their opening comment is "I've got a flat tyre, can you fix it?").

There's nothing wrong with cyclists not knowing how to fix flat tyres and to be fair, it can be quite challenging with some tyre/rim combos. There's also the safety aspect to consider as it's easy enough to botch a repair job and end up trapping the inner tube or not properly seating the tyre etc.

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stonojnr replied to hawkinspeter | 10 months ago
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Unless you ride only within walking distance of a bike shop though, sooner or later you're going to need to do it yourself, or enjoy a long walk home.

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hawkinspeter replied to stonojnr | 10 months ago
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stonojnr wrote:

Unless you ride only within walking distance of a bike shop though, sooner or later you're going to need to do it yourself, or enjoy a long walk home.

Well yes, it's totally worth learning how to do it yourself, but not everyone feels comfortable tinkering with such stuff and they shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable about their ignorance/inexperience.

As an aside, bicycles (or at least some of them) are one of the few remaining pieces of modern life that relies on simple mechanics and can be readily understood by the average person. I think that's one of the reasons that there are so many bicycle related patents and "innovative" ideas as clever people see the bike and think "there has to be a better way" and set to work inventing. Of course, the wiser person looks at it and realises that almost every component is highly optimised towards strength/weight/simplicity etc. and that there's very little that can be drastically improved.

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Backladder replied to brooksby | 10 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

He may have been flattering me, but said that he reckoned that being able to replace brake pads probably made me more mechanically adept than 80-90% of people out there riding bikes 

Judging by the number of people I see riding around with the brake quick release undone he is probably right!

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stonojnr replied to Backladder | 10 months ago
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Last time my bike got serviced at an LBS my QR skewers were set wrong. They also agreed a price upfront for a couple of jobs, then charged me nearly twice as much to do it because they'd under estimated the size of the job, and did an unnecessary mod because they couldn't be bothered to soak a seized bolt.

And bike mechanics then wonder why people learn to do things themselves and they have no work ?

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eburtthebike replied to brooksby | 10 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

 

He may have been flattering me, but said that he reckoned that being able to replace brake pads probably made me more mechanically adept than 80-90% of people out there riding bikes 

Having seen brake pads completely missing the rim or touching the tyre, and curved brake pads fitted upside down, he may be right!

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Backladder replied to eburtthebike | 10 months ago
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not forgetting fitted with the open end of the shoe at the front!

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wtjs | 10 months ago
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Police Scotland said a ‘Vulnerable Road User’ initiative led to four cyclists fined in Edinburgh for riding through red lights

ScotRozzer seems to be on a par with Lancashire Constabulary for hostility to cyclists, and extreme leniency towards drivers. Nothing has been done about these red light offences, for example- there was no response at all to these reports, but in the past they have declined to act 'because everybody does it'. That's it in Lancashire: no fines, no points, no insurance consequences, no record for RLJ etc. You don't see Lancashire Constabulary on 'Kickass Cops' on the telly because they can't be bothered...or Police Scotland, as far as I know

https://upride.cc/incident/pj23vmc_honda125_redlightcross/

https://upride.cc/incident/g16dht_hgvtrainer_redlightcross/

https://upride.cc/incident/k7ddy_audia4_redlightpass/

When I wrote previously to my MP about ignored RLJs, he replied quoting the Lancashire Constabulary excuse like the one quoted by mitsky below: 'KSI statistics do not indicate a serious problem'- I wasn't asking for cameras to be installed, only for action to be taken against offenders! This seems to be a new principle made up to protect drivers- not one which was applied to the above cyclist offences by Police Scotland. These are a few of the offences from that time, for the few who haven't seen them already

https://upride.cc/incident/px68nhc_toyotatrailer_redlightcross/

https://upride.cc/incident/f2yny_rangerover_redlightcross/

https://upride.cc/incident/vo12hxu_berlingo_redlightpass/

https://upride.cc/incident/pn68kpg_hiluxtrailer_redlightcross/ (you can see why the pedestrians have to run across here!- being near-missed by such an offender was what started me on this aspect of my Anti-LC Crusade)

https://upride.cc/incident/t90jdt_audiwithcaravan_rljatspeed/

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Sriracha replied to wtjs | 10 months ago
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Lancashire Police are too busy chasing down burglars to bother with other work... or maybe not?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67861416

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wtjs replied to Sriracha | 10 months ago
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Lancashire Police are too busy chasing down burglars to bother with other work...

You could view it that way: LC says Last year, we launched Operation Defender, a force-wide campaign funded by Lancashire’s Police and Crime Commissioner to crackdown on residential burglary. Part of Op Defender is a commitment to visit every victim of residential burglary

Judging by their opinion of offences against cyclists, which is that it's their own fault for being on the road (some on here will recall the tweet by Blackpool Police which stated that if cyclists don't like the on-road cycling environment, they should seek another mode of transport), they deserve all they get and the whingers should be prosecuted for wasting police time- the prospect of being visited by a sneering copper who essentially blames you for either living on a busy street so that burglars have easy access, or for living in a secluded area where burglars can go unobserved, is not attractive. Especially, when they're too busy to actually do anything after they've logged the burglary

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Samtheeagle replied to wtjs | 10 months ago
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I am sure you are aware but worth a mention to dispel myths and preconceptions re writing to your MP.  MPs employ a secretary whose job it is to manage their post bag.  The secretary will forward on the enquiry to the appropriate person (Council CEO or P&CCommissioner).  They in turn will delegate to the Officer you have already dealt with about your issue to prepare a response. This is topped and tailed before going to the MP and on to you.

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wtjs replied to Samtheeagle | 10 months ago
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MPs employ a secretary whose job it is to manage their post bag

Which does not affect the point that Lancashire Constabulary's response (given that they don't respond to the person making the report) to clear red light offences not being prosecuted, is that there aren't enough dead and injured people resulting from the offences at this location to make police action 'worthwhile'. This new principle was not adhered to in the case of the 4 Edinburgh cyclists, with ScotFilth keen to combat the Cycling Menace! 

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bensynnock | 10 months ago
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There are guys working deliveroo with ebikes that reach up to 40mph. No pedaling required.

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chrisonabike replied to bensynnock | 10 months ago
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Get 'em nicked.  Now - it may be they're a lower risk to me than general motor traffic but I have no numbers on this (could even be the other way round).  Plus they make the car-free spaces feel unpleasant for me on a bike, never mind when walking.

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Rendel Harris replied to bensynnock | 10 months ago
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bensynnock wrote:

There are guys working deliveroo with ebikes that reach up to 40mph. No pedaling required.

Just your standard friendly reminder that a two-wheeled vehicle that can do 40 mph on a throttle is not in fact an ebike but under UK law is an electric moped or motorcycle.

I know it seems nitpicking but it is an important distinction to make because everybody is saying we must do something about these illegal ebikes when the problem is actually people riding electric motorcycles without licence, registration, insurance or type approval.

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NickSprink | 10 months ago
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Big news yesterday on the BBC and elsewhere about police in Wales starting to enforce the new 20mph limit, does that not count as a "heads up"?

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belugabob replied to NickSprink | 10 months ago
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NickSprink wrote:

Big news yesterday on the BBC and elsewhere about police in Wales starting to enforce the new 20mph limit, does that not count as a "heads up"?

And the frequent Facebook posts, from Cumbria Police, warning of speed camera locations

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mitsky | 10 months ago
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Years ago I notified my local council about high levels of drivers going through red lights at a number of junctions.
(To request monitoring and installation of cameras to detect and prosecute.)
The response was that as there were no KSI stats, they would not do so.

I assume that if someone does get seriously injured/killed in the future then the authorities might be held to account for doing nothing when they were made aware of the problem.

And that was before the current situation where I've noticed RLJing has now surged to ridiculous levels pretty much everywhere.
(This is possibly based on repeated news reports of police being too understaffed to deal with most crimes so many drivers know they will simply get away with it.)

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mattw replied to mitsky | 10 months ago
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That's it in a nutshell.

Consideration of safety is reactive, not proactive.

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Steve K | 10 months ago
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They literally put up signs warning drivers there are speed cameras, and paint the speed cameras bright yellow so they are easy to see.

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Miller replied to Steve K | 10 months ago
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I recall speed cameras being originally grey. Then drivers whined 'they're too hard to see' and lo and behold the camera boxes became bright yellow.

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Simon E replied to Steve K | 10 months ago
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West Mercia also have community speed awareness, where pensioners wearing hi-viz stand on the roadside at known speeding locations, giving drivers as much time as possible to see them and slow down (or not both, since they won't get a ticket).

Or the similarly rare sight of a police officer at the roadside doing speed checks, also clothed in hi-viz (here's a tweet from Shrewsbury plod in September 2023 with photos showing how effective their 'camo' works).

I'd paint all fixed cameras pale grey and the mobile speed vans to be mocked up as double glazing firms or similar.

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belugabob replied to Simon E | 10 months ago
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Simon E wrote:

West Mercia also have community speed awareness, where pensioners wearing hi-viz stand on the roadside at known speeding locations, giving drivers as much time as possible to see them and slow down (or not both, since they won't get a ticket).

Or the similarly rare sight of a police officer at the roadside doing speed checks, also clothed in hi-viz (here's a tweet from Shrewsbury plod in September 2023 with photos showing how effective their 'camo' works).

I'd paint all fixed cameras pale grey and the mobile speed vans to be mocked up as double glazing firms or similar.

It's simpler than that - they put signs up, notifying drivers of speed limits so that they adjust their speed accordingly, and avoid a fine

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Capt Sisko | 10 months ago
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Strange; Every Chhristmas there are well publicised police operations targeting drink drivers. The authorities go to great expenditure to warn drivers there may be speed cameras ahead or unmarked police cars patrolling. Then there are the constant ‘Operation XYZ’ that my local rag publishes to say the police will be running in the next two weeks and will be targeting assorted motoring offenses or the notices saying there's a court order against 'car cruising' in this area  - Yet all that advanced warning of targeting anti-social driving doesn't seem to register with these cycle haters does it.

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Hirsute | 10 months ago
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“Why are you giving cyclists a heads up? You wouldn’t notify motorists of your intentions,”

Don't a number of police forces advertise that mobile speed cameras will be out this week/weekend ?

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tigersnapper replied to Hirsute | 10 months ago
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Yep, and big warning signs for fixed speed cameras, which are then painted yellow so motorists can see them in time to slow down.

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