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Cycling licence 'debate' reignited by Channel 4 show and Scotland Tonight

Channel 4's Steph's Packed Lunch ran a poll asking viewers if cyclists should need licences to ride on main roads, while last week Scotland Tonight hosted a debate on the subject...

Despite the government, as recently as December, saying it has "no plans" to introduce legislation the so-called debate about cyclists needing compulsory training, a licence and insurance to use the roads has resurfaced in recent days, with several UK media outlets hosting TV segments or publishing news stories on the subject.

Scotland Tonight hosted an on-air debate last week, in which a motoring journalist and cyclist "go head-to-head on whether road cycling should be regulated". The segment was followed up by Aberdeen-based newspaper The Press and Journal asking: "Should cycling on main roads be banned until you have a licence?"

South of the border, CambridgeshireLive this morning ran a vox pop article asking readers whether cyclists should be required to have insurance, while approaching lunchtime, Channel 4 show Steph's Packed Lunch posted a Twitter poll asking viewers if "cycling on main roads should be banned until you have a licence?"

The poll, which currently has more than 60 per cent voting against cycling licences (at the time of writing) has received criticism, with one reply calling it "clickbait nonsense" and another "mad crankery".

Last week's Scotland Tonight debate appears to have reignited the media coverage of the topic.

"We need compulsory training and licences for cyclists. They are the only unregulated group of road users," motoring journalist Alan Douglas said during the Listen Up segment of Wednesday's current affairs programme.

"Anyone can leap on a bike and head out without any training, licence or insurance. If they commit a traffic offence, like jumping a red light or riding on the pavement, they go unpunished. A driver would be fined or lose their licence, so we need punishments for law-breaking cyclists," he added.

The debate aspect of the segment was provided by a cyclist Scotland Tonight described as a "keen rider", Diana Farrell, who argued most cyclists already hold a driving licence and are "very aware" of the Highway Code.

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"I'm not convinced that a licence would ensure people are safe on the roads," she told the programme. "Every driver on the roads has a licence, not all of them are safe. There's always going to be a minority within any form of transport, whether that's cycling or roads, that are not responsible, that are not following the rules.

"Those people are fully aware of what the rules are. The fact that you need a licence to drive a motor vehicle is more reflecting the damage you can do with a motor vehicle."

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The Scotland Tonight segment was repackaged by The Press and Journal who asked its readership: "What do you think? Are cyclists a pain in the gearstick? Are motorist (sic) just not getting it that cyclists are the priority on the road?"

Local news website CambridgeshireLive's insurance-based vox pops asked readers to share their thoughts on the question of cyclists needing insurance.

The Cambridge news website, part of the Daily Express, Daily Star and Mirror publisher Reach PLC's regional news portfolio, said: "Calls have been made previously for cyclists to pay road tax and insurance", but included a marginally more cycling-positive headline than those seen above, featuring the reader quote: "We need less cars and more incentives".

"A large proportion of our readers agreed cyclists should be required to have insurance," the piece stated, before hearing from one reader whose car "was scratched badly" by a cyclist, and now wants: "Insurance and an identification plate on bikes like motorcycles."

Last December, solicitor Nick Freeman, known as 'Mr Loophole' for his securing acquittals of drivers accused of motoring offences — often on a technicality — had his petition asking for cyclists to wear identification and have licences, shot down by the government who said it has "no plans" to follow up on the suggestion.

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The petition was promoted by the Manchester-based lawyer during numerous appearances in local and national print and broadcast media, but yet only scraped over the 10,000-signature threshold required for a government response with less than a day to go.

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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Most adult cyclists also hold a full driving licence, I'm sure I've seen figures quoted of around 85%, but am too lazy to check that.

Maybe this idea about licencing should be turned around so that gaining a recognised cycle proficiency qualification is a prerequisite to applying for a provisional driving licence and mandatory for anyone found guilty of a driving offence that involved a cyclist as victim or complainant.

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Adam Sutton replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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I was going to post similar. I mean I'd assume having had a driving license for 25 years, would negate doubling up and requiring a second license.

Moreover being both a driver and cyclists I'd suggest as part of the driving test, prospective drivers should be taken out for a few lessons on a bicycle to get a better perspective of hazards etc.

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IanMK replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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I'd have to check but I think my license allows me to drive vehicles up to 7.5t. I'd like to know what extra training I require for cycling.

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zideriup | 2 years ago
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Steph's Packed Lunch was the programme that was officially recorded to have a grand total of zero viewers at one point, wasn't it?

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Simon_MacMichael replied to zideriup | 2 years ago
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brooksby | 2 years ago
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A driver would be fined or lose their licence

Oh no they wouldn't!

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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But but but what about the million drivers losing their licences i read about on the internets?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/drivers-lose-almost-a-million-licences-in-the-last-year

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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Very common to hear that people express - with absolute certainty - that drivers doing any naughty things will immediately be brought to book, and anyone who kills someone else on the road is looking at a very heavy sentence.  Presumably those saying this are the "law-abiding motorists"?  At least in the anecdata of road.cc stories there are quite a few people that this "fact" doesn't apply to.

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IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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While we are at it, isn't it shocking that pedestrians are also allowed outdoors without formal licence and training, Mr Douglas? Indeed, when there is no footpath, they have the right to walk in the road and motorists are treated like second class citizens and obliged to give them room when the walkers could easily jump in the hawthorn out the way.

Worse, these pedestrians know the law and sneakily take advantage of it at things like pedestrian crossings.

 

So, to follow his line of argument, nobody is allowed out of their front door until they've got a licence.

I don't suppose he's met UK DashCam Driver of the Day Joe and seeen how effective the licensing system is?

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Clem Fandango replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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I demand that shoes are MOT'd !!

 

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Jimwill replied to Clem Fandango | 2 years ago
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Would we also need to go through an test to make sure we are competent at operating shoes safely?
I propose a test for laces and another for velcro/slip on.

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chrisonabike replied to Clem Fandango | 2 years ago
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Just filing my SORN, mate.

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FrankH | 2 years ago
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"We need compulsory training and licences for cyclists. They are the only unregulated group of road users," motoring journalist Alan Douglas said during the Listen Up segment of Wednesday's current affairs programme.

Well, apart from the regulations that cover the use of cycles, I suppose he's right. Maybe he meant unlicenced but cyclists aren't even the only unlicenced road users, pedestrians, scooter riders, horse riders spring immediately to mind. There are probably others.

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Jogle replied to FrankH | 2 years ago
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FrankH wrote:
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"We need compulsory training and licences for cyclists. They are the only unregulated group of road users," motoring journalist Alan Douglas said during the Listen Up segment of Wednesday's current affairs programme.

Well, apart from the regulations that cover the use of cycles, I suppose he's right. Maybe he meant unlicenced but cyclists aren't even the only unlicenced road users, pedestrians, scooter riders, horse riders spring immediately to mind. There are probably others.

You missed a fair few car drivers

https://media.rac.co.uk/pressreleases/2020-saw-jump-in-number-of-provisi...

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giff77 replied to Jogle | 2 years ago
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Jogle wrote:
FrankH wrote:
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"We need compulsory training and licences for cyclists. They are the only unregulated group of road users," motoring journalist Alan Douglas said during the Listen Up segment of Wednesday's current affairs programme.

Well, apart from the regulations that cover the use of cycles, I suppose he's right. Maybe he meant unlicenced but cyclists aren't even the only unlicenced road users, pedestrians, scooter riders, horse riders spring immediately to mind. There are probably others.

You missed a fair few car drivers https://media.rac.co.uk/pressreleases/2020-saw-jump-in-number-of-provisi...

Was there not earlier in the year an 84 y/o who was caught driving without licence or insurance?  Apparently he had been driving since he was 12. 

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