A senior Metropolitan Police inspector admitted officers were "clearly wrong" when confronting a cyclist who swore at them for blocking a London bus lane with their parked unmarked vehicle.
The footage which has been widely shared on social media shows two officers approach the rider, who is travelling with two young children, after he told the police to "get out the f****** way".
As the cyclist laughs at the fact he did not realise it was a police vehicle the blue lights come on before one of the officers proceeds to scold the cyclist for apparently "committing public order offences" and swearing in front of his children.
The officer driving adds: "It's not all about you", returning to the vehicle while the main officer involved warns that "the wrong type of people" might "ram" or "stab" the cyclist if they were on the receiving end of the shout.
"You're swearing in the street with two small children that are yours, so you're committing public order offences with your kids," the main officer says. "How inconsiderate and stupid can you be? You want to put your kids lives at risk? There are people out there that if you swear at them, would come after you.
"Also swearing in the street is against the law, you just did it. It's a public order offence, in a public place where there's small children, you cannot swear.
The incident unfolded last Wednesday (23rd November) shortly before 8am, just south of Wandsworth Bridge, nearing the Wandsworth Roundabout on Bridgend Road.
In the second part of the video the officer questioned whether a cyclist would have priority moving into another lane to pass a parked car.
"Sorry, I don't like it when the rules are misinterpreted," the cyclist replies. "I believe I have a right to pull out, indicate in front of another car. Anyway, it happened, I moved out and came past you.
"The only reason I had to do that manoeuvre is because you're in the way. I was upset, I swore at you and do you know what? I'd probably do it again and hope I wasn't going to get some arsehole from Wandsworth beat me up.
"Swearing in front of my children is my choice. Now you guys do a great job but please enforce the law on the correct rules."
Following more than 250,000 thousand views and comments from many — including Jeremy Vine who called the officer's argument "extraordinary" — inspector Tony Adkins of the Metropolitan Police's Roads and Transport unit admitted the officer's lecture was "clearly wrong".
Vine said the policing looked like a "Comic Relief sketch" and "he [the officer] realised his assertion that the cyclist had committed a crime was wrong, so he changed it to an argument about possibly endangering himself by accidentally swearing at a criminal."
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I've editted the link - should be ok now.
Thanks. Although I note that this is from 2012 and CPS guidelines seem to change in 2014 so It's not certain that this would even reach court today.
Also interesting is:
It is a defence for the accused to prove—
(a)that he had no reason to believe that there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, or
........
(c)that his conduct was reasonable.
Ergo, I suggest that as the officers' conduct put him in harm's way, his reaction is reasonable and as the officers were in a car they were unlikely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress - on the contrary, they appear to be pleased to have something to do. QED.
Similarly - those close passes which are ignored because of the language should go back to the front of the queue
I was sent this at the weekend. I don't know if it's new. Just thought I'd share. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1735213976864062?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
EDIT: Oops meant to put this on the blog. My mistake.
Institutionally anti-cyclist
The police admit that they are wrong. Halle-fucking-lujah!
Swearing is of course not big and not clever.
Why park there anyway?
As Rendel has shown on many occasions, police park where it is dangerous for no operational reason at all.
It seems like a long time ago (30 years) I was in my 20s and took all my A/L from work and went to USA on a working/holiday. One subject that I will never forget was a piece advice that the people I was living with gave Me "when I was out and about, be carefull who you get into aargument/disagreement with" as it could land Me in a lot of trouble. This stuck with Me and I was glad to call the Uk home. now this home is just as messed up and poice have seeming given up in some parts of the country. When whoever you are - sex/ethnicity/cyclist (the list endless) you now have to take care, so as not to become a victim of the thugs and narcissist, that is a very sad day indeed.
This has always been the case. Never get into an unncessary argument when out and about (regardless of your situation), as you don't know who you are dealing with. A tale as old as time.
Nothing to do with your race, gender, or anything else - the person you're dealing with might be really thick, might have mental problems, might just be at the end of their tether.
That's why these goady cash-for-clicks van Twerp videos are so toxic - they have the power to wind up the kind of people who might make it their business to teach cyclists a lesson.
I didn't realise it was part of the police's job to give people moral lectures.
Do they go around advising people not to commit adultery ? Or not to blaspheme ?
Kultcha wars innit? They should be going round helping old ladies across the road and
slamming people's genitals in draws to get confessionsapprehending criminals but instead they're too busy nannying people, harassing law-abiding vehicle operators (is this right?) and being the woke police on the internet.Moral police - it's exactly the same as in Iran, or something...
You clearly don't watch enough prime time TV on Channel 5
Can't remember the last time I watched C5 !
As a very slight legal technicality, where an incident is caused by /instigated as a result of the actions of a police officer, and the only public affected are minor dependents of the person involved in the incident and the police, there is no public order offence. Public order offences can only happen when a member of the public is affected. Minors who are dependent of the person who, in this case, is swearing, are not covered by the legislation, and police are not members of the public. Police all to often resort to using public order legislation, and all to often are wrong in doing so. Makes it easy to get any cautions overturned and to force formal apologies from the forces
Whenever you are stopped by a police officer, no matter what the circumstances, demand that they first provide you with their name, warrant number, and home station. They are legally required to provide this information
Is it just me, or isn't parking in/blocking a bus lane also "inconsiderate and stupid"?
Yeah, why catch criminals in real life and risk offending cyclists?
After all, policeman could be sat in a comfy chair back at HQ with a cup of tea and a donut, policing opinions on Twitter.
Everything that is wrong with the police exemplified in this article.
The policeman was perfectly correct to hold the cyclist to account for his disgraceful swearing with two young children in his care, and to warn him that his conduct increases the risk to himself, yet the donut-munching woke jobsworth duffer back at HQ hung him out to dry.
The cyclist, rather than posting the video for clicks and lols on Twitter, should reflect on their behaviour and - next time - be a better person.
I hope the policeman reads this comment and understands that not all cyclists are swearing, shrieking, child-abusing attention seekers. Many of us are perfectly normal people who also disagree with the disgusting wave of narcissism engulfing society.
Perfectly normal people do not get themselves banned at least twice from a website for racism and libellous comments and continue to come back under new usernames time and again pretending to be someone else. Indeed, as the clinical definition of a narcissistic personality disorder includes "an inflated self-image and addiction to fantasy, lack of empathy for others and a delusional belief that the subject is superior to the rest of his social and professional peers" you would appear to be disagreeing with yourself, which of course explains a lot.
I'm not sure about Mr Rampa's credibility these days but I still think Mrs Fifi Greywhiskers is a great name for a cat. We don't have cats. We have dogs. But I might get a cat one day. And I wouldn't call it Mrs Fifi Greywhiskers. Oh no. I'd call it Sooty. Especially if it was black. Or grey
Why not call your dog Sooty? Seems like a perfect name for a black-coated dog, and avoids the racial connotations of previously loved dog names.
Now that's a way to spend your days! Might make a good Christmas gift for the right person too.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Lama-Mrs-Fifi-Greywhiskers-P-S-C/dp/B01F...
Thanks for the link. Well, at the Tower of Babel mankind was deprived of telepathic communication due to his treachery towards animals. Apparently. That seems a shame
Our rescue black cat is called Sort. He came to us with that name - apparently it's the Danish word for 'black'.
Our rescue dog is black. She's called Lottie. I don't think it's anything to do with black, we just liked the name and it seemed to suit her.
I think we'll get a rescue dog next time. I don't think I could go through the puppy stage again - all the training, early mornings etc. Too old for that
To quote "Yeah, why catch criminals in real life and risk offending cyclists?"
Did they take the time off from the capturing of real criminals to do the really really very very important job of lecturing a father on how to bring up his kids? You complain about police policing Twitter but are perfectly happy for them to do it in real life?
You fucking idiot. Anyway, C U Next Tuesday?
Do you think the police should be spending their time telling people off for swearing, under the misapprehension that it's a public order offence? Or would you prefer if they spent their time investigating actual crimes?
Not sure how the're going to stop a vehicle if they're both out of their car and astride a high horse.
There were two lanes for cars - they could have stopped in one of those, but that would slow cars down, which would be a bad thing - think of the bad language that that would attract. It's altogether easier to endanger vulnerable road users and public transport.
Anyway, they need to go and swap their BMW for a Toyota Pious - altogether more suitable.
I'm afraid the justice system is rather broken. The police, on some mission where they are waiting for some event that justifies them obstructing the highway have time to take their eye off the ball to berate a cyclist, yet every cyclist is a ball of spidey senses waiting for the next drivist with a chip on their shoulder, a Twitter argument more important than watching the road, a vital business phone call that requires their full attention and they want some support from the police to help reduce the presumption that dangerous driving has no real consequences.
This weekend I got the notice from the police that after a review, they were going to take no action against a motorist who threw a punch at me (from the driver's seat) for me complaining about being skimmed past when walking in the road - the driver considered me a "Fucking stupid fucking idiot" for not doffing my cap and leaping onto a slippery verge so he wasn't delayed by a couple of seconds. Surely a generic letter to the owner of the vehicle saying there had been a complaint against the driver of the vehicle and while the police were not going to take formal action, they would like to point out the relevant section of the HWC (basically treat a pedestrian as well as you would a horse) and to say that further reports of threatening behaviour could result in action being taken in future.
The reality is that the police haven't got enough resources to establish a preventative baseline of enforcement, so it is frustrating to see the police fritter away their time on an unhelpful interaction.
Why not park your unmarked police BMW in the car lane and leave the Bus lane free for buses and cycling only it is not a parking lane at all.
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