Remco Evenepoel OUT of Giro d'Italia with Covid

Millions died, generally those who were almost certainly in the final months of life already.

Additionally, early on in the pandemic, it appears that we actually _increased_ the deaths by ventilating people far too aggressively - i.e. too many people were put on ventilators. Often people who were conscious and mobile were then sedated and ventilated (this certainly happened in Ireland, and is documented in quite pro-narrative accounts) - thus _harming_ their health, and often killing them.

Roulereo wrote:

The risk of serious illness is now way lower than early on in the pandemic? 

Pls explain. 

That would be because of:

- Natural immunity in populations derived from coming into contact with the pathogen.

- A very successful vaccination program, particularly amongst the most vulnerable.

- Learning of real medicine best practices in treatment of patients.

- Continued testing and hygiene controls, again particularly around vulnerable groups.

Many people (including Anti vaxxers) were hounded for saying 'natural immunity'. Why is it ok now, is it "the science" ? 

If you are defining a 'very sucessful vaccination program' by Pfizer benchmarks, that's cool because I bought Pfizer shares at $34USD back in 2019. Sure those 'programs' vaccinated millions of young and healthy through fear and intimidation, but who cares, because who doesn't love profit? Am I right? Sure, vulnerable people died in their millions from untreated and undiagnosed cancers, excess deaths have skyrocketed, etc. but it was Covid dammit. 

Was damn annoying when the Pfizer CEO admitted their vaccine did not stop the spread, and in fact the vaccine does not stop the virus either, but it was all gravy by then for us shareholders. Misinformation is mainly a menace to share prices anyway. 

What are these real medicine best practices you mention, and who discovered them and taught them worldwide in 2021/22 ? It's very impressive they have been rolled out and learnt so quickly though. I'd like to patent them, so let us know. Doctors sure were neanderthals in 2019. 

Well done for hanging on to the narrative, to even think anything else would make the last few years very embarrassing for many at the very least. I mean, to suddenly march in step with massive corporates and government, ban anyone who you disagree with for being dangerous, sing along from the media song sheet, and not question anything, can't always have been easy. At least I had my investments ticking along while the world was seemingly locked down in paranoia, I just hope our loyalty will be repaid. 

FFS and there was me thinking we were done with all this sh!t.

I know. 

We were only following orders, right?

Vaccine passports, mass sackings of the 'unvaccinated', refusal to serve anyone without proof of vaccinaton in shops, 

Millions went full Nazi, and most still think they were right, so let's all  just move on and leave them in power, etc. 

Roulereo wrote:

I know. 

We were only following orders, right?

Vaccine passports, mass sackings of the 'unvaccinated', refusal to serve anyone without proof of vaccinaton in shops, 

Millions went full Nazi, and most still think they were right, so let's all  just move on and leave them in power, etc. 

You see? Now that is how to properly get Godwin's Law invoked!

GT leader out of the race following a positive test? It's like the 2000s once again!

If you don't want to know the result of a cycle race, it's best not to visit a website that reports cycling race results. Even then news alerts from many sources might surprise you with the result anyway. 

The Likely Lads, if anyone remembers that, did a whole episode about this.

Secret_squirrel wrote:

I'm getting a bit tired of the Remco fan club on Road.cc.  He's one in a generation that's for sure but you can't tell me that a 1 second win is anything but either flat out or a misjudgment. No-one aims to win by such a small margin. 

I've looked through the report twice and I can't see anything that says he did? Has it been edited since the original posting (not unknown!)?

Yes. When I read it it said more to come....

irrelevant now as Remco is out with Covid and Thomas inherits the Pink Jersey. 
Might be Ineos' best chance of a win for ages. 

If Thomas can avoid both COVID and stray bidons this might well be his last chance to win the Giro.

TGH looking like a genuine GC guy this season.

Rich_cb wrote:

If Thomas can avoid both COVID and stray bidons this might well be his last chance to win the Giro.

TGH looking like a genuine GC guy this season.

Has to avoid stationary police motorbikes as well

The road ahead is filled with danger and fright.

Rich_cb wrote:

TGH looking like a genuine GC guy this season.

Ummm...as opposed to 2020?

I think the point Rich is making is that he is back in contention compared to the 2 seasons in between from when he won in 2020.

I think also to add to that, in 2020, in the stage leading to the final week, TGH was in 11th place and nearly 4 minutes out to Almeida - having started the race in support of G. Didn't really look like he could win until that final week. 

I'd just got in to leisure cycling back then and was unaware that places like the Stelvio Pass existed, blew my mind watching them climb up there, I think it was Jai Hindley struggling to get his jacket on seemed like a definitive moment.

I can't take to him. He's a smacked ass, not surprising that he used to be a footballer. Typical prima donna. I remember watching him push Ben Turner out of the way in a race last year, and also berating Roglić for not working with him when Roglić was leading the Catalonia tour. He may be talented but he's a spoiled brat. 

I am with you on this Phil.  I still cant get past one of his backup team taking something out of his back pocket a few years ago when he had that bad crash into the ravine, one of the reasons given was that it would be more comfortable for him not having to lay on it until medical help arrived.  Also putting so much time into Ganna on the flat in the opening Giro TT means to me that Evenepoel has replaced Cancellara as the most suspicious rider in the current peleton.

Welsh boy wrote:

I am with you on this Phil.  I still cant get past one of his backup team taking something out of his back pocket a few years ago when he had that bad crash into the ravine, one of the reasons given was that it would be more comfortable for him not having to lay on it until medical help arrived.  Also putting so much time into Ganna on the flat in the opening Giro TT means to me that Evenepoel has replaced Cancellara as the most suspicious rider in the current peleton.

There was a full investigation by the UCi and the CADF into "pocketgate" and no wrongdoing was found. As for beating Ganna, is Ganna now so good that anyone who beats him is under suspicion? Evenepoel is a three-time world championship medallist in the time trial and the Belgian national time trial champion, it's not that suspicious that someone with his pedigree can beat Ganna on the right course on a good day. Ganna came 7th in last year's WC TT, 55 seconds down on the winner - does that mean all the top six riders are under suspicion too?

I must admit that I have yet to warm to Evenepoel, though there are signs that he is putting his juvenile petulance behind him, but I can't see that either of those things you mention are grounds for accusing him of doping, either physiological or mechanical.

There was a full UCI investigation into Armstrong too which cleared him of any wrongdoing 

Welsh boy wrote:

There was a full UCI investigation into Armstrong too which cleared him of any wrongdoing 

So thus far, as I understand your arguments, Evenepoel must be a wrong 'un because he's capable of beating Ganna and because Lance Armstrong existed.