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“The constant low-level bullying is starting to take its toll” – road.cc readers open up on the stress of riding on Britain’s roads, with one giving it up for good

Forum topic prompts readers to share their stories – including one who has just sold a bike he built himself as he switches to off-road riding

A forum topic posted on road.cc last week that posed the question, “Know of someone who’s packed in UK road cycling due to safety concerns?” has prompted readers to share their own stories, including one who this weekend just gone sold his final road bike – one he had built himself, to boot – and who says he will ride exclusively off-road from now on, and another who described the stress brought on by “constant low-level bullying.”

The topic was begun by road.cc reader Shades, who said he had heard about a member of his cycling circle who had taken early retirement but “was really frustrated with the Covid restrictions as he has a small holiday flat in Germany and can't pursue his various plans.

“My comment was why hadn't he gone out on some long rides etc; then I was told he'd stopped, because he was sick of UK roads (safety), and was just going to cycle when he's out in Germany (which he always raves about),” Shades continued.

He said he was “initially bemused,” but after reflecting on some near misses he had experienced, “I kind of sympathised.”

“The roads are like the Wild West post-lockdown”

Shades added that before starting to work from home, “a lot of my miles were commuting on the Bristol/Bath bike path and quiet urban roads, so I was probably slightly cossetted. I generally steer clear of A roads but, mid-week especially, the roads are like the Wild West post-lockdown. Apart from group rides I've now got front/back cameras so I could hardly criticise my mate for just being aware of his own mortality.”

His post has drawn dozens of comments from other road.cc readers sharing their own views and experiences, with some common themes emerging – as well as some differences of opinion, naturally.

Road becoming busier as lockdown eases was highlighted by several readers, although views diverged over whether that had been accompanied by driving standards generally being worse, or drivers more impatient, than before the pandemic.

Awavey was one reader who spoke about how working from home over the past year or so had given them a different experience compared to when they rode to work.

“I always found the commute hardest to cope with”

“Personally I always found the commute the hardest to cope with in the respect of safety as I was forced to use quite nasty busy urban roads, which with peak stress rush hour drivers always led to some conflict,” he said.

“So WFH allows me to explore the countryside on longer rides at nicer times, where you still get the occasional issue, but it's not that thing where you just start stressing and dreading the ride because you know some hare-brained motorist is going to try to put you in danger.”

“Let it wash. You can't always be on the front line all the time”

Some readers revealed their own coping mechanisms, such as TheBillder, who wrote: “I think that one way to cope is just to assume sometimes that this stuff will happen and let it wash. You can't always be on the front line all the time.

“Some days I get furious and shout and wave,” he added. “Other days I just count the incidents or give myself a pat on the back if I spot one before it happens.”

“The constant low-level bullying is starting to take its toll”

Captain Badger revealed that he had reported a case of intimidation to the police just the previous evening, and had been discussing it with his wife, whom he said “is concerned that my usual policy of giving these idiots a mouthful is going to end with me in hospital or worse.

“She no longer rides on the road, in spite of using a bike to get around from the age of 12 till well after uni,” he continued. “She wants to ride but is literally too scared –btw, she's hardly a shrinking violet.

“Last night's incident was hardly the worst I've ever received, usual shit about get on the ‘cycle lane’, and ‘I pay tax’, with a close pass, pushed towards the gutter, and brake check,” he said, adding that “I was much more shaken up than usual, angry but also frustrated and sad.

But I'm tired,” he added. “I just want to get where I want to go without using a car, but the constant low-level bullying (and sometimes straight out intimidation, threats and attempted assault) is starting to take its toll.

“What should have been a 10-minute journey has now been an incident and an upload, and has been on my mind now for 12 hours. I don't want to have to don a GoPro every facking ride – it's literally less than 3 miles, under 15mins. The only reason to do so is that the level of bullying,  intimidation and risk to health is significant.”

Replying to Captain Badger, HoarseMann said he’d had “a couple like this over the years … one saw me hang the bike up for six months and the other nine months. Back on it now though and cameras every ride.”

“I handed over my last road bike today – a bike I thought I'd never sell”

Another reader, kil0ran, has gone further and said he had given up riding on the road altogether because stress over what might happen meant he no longer enjoyed it.

“I realise that I'm still dealing with the trauma of the road rage attack which could easily have killed me on my 50th birthday,” he said. “Logic doesn't come into it when you're traumatised, and I did try the ‘just get back on the horse’ approach but it didn't work for me.”

He said he had “handed over my last road bike today – a bike I specced, assembled, and upgraded myself, paying attention to every little thing. A bike I thought I'd never sell.

“And as the new owner wheeled it away I didn't feel any doubt or regret. Possibly a soupçon of relief but to be honest I didn't feel anything at all, other than the possibilities offered by the grand in my pocket – a shiny new Scottish hardtail frame arrives on Monday for me to build.”

Have you, or anyone you know, stopped riding on the road or thought about doing so? Do you plan your routes to follow quiet or traffic-free routes, or to avoid places where you are likely to experience conflict? After last year’s traffic-free roads during the first lockdown, are you finding drivers are now more aggressive than pre-pandemic? Let us know in the comments below.

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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deviate replied to MattKelland | 3 years ago
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Massively agree with this. I've flagged NMOTD as completely counter-productive in the last two reader surveys, but clearly enough people feel differently. Add to this the constant attention given to WUMs like Mr Loophole (which is exactly what he wants) and it's no wonder there is this climate of anger and exasperation. 

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Awavey replied to MattKelland | 3 years ago
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But then you are literally saying part of being a cyclist is to just put up with bad driving,its part of the challenge to be face to face with your imminent demise if you make a small mistake, HTFU etc etc ignore the elephant in the room and we can all come back in a decade from now and all stare and wonder why the model share of cycling is still stuck at only 2%.

NMOTD is a tiny fraction of the stuff that goes on around cyclists in the UK daily, to claim it has any influence on people cycling or driving completely ignores the reality of what it's like sometimes to ride on our roads.

Whatever my own particular hang ups on it are,this time last year when things were just coming out of the first lockdown, I saw lots of people cycling, couples young & old, families with young children, one ride I remember felt it was almost like I'd stumbled on an unofficial sportive there were that many riders about.

This year on the same routes, same weather, same time of day, I'll be lucky to see another rider. So what's changed ? Well the most obvious change is theres a ton more traffic on some of those roads now who are back to driving round as if they are auditioning to be the next motor racing world champion, who give no quarter or inch to anything in their way on the road.

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Hirsute replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Where does Matt live though?

I'd say it is rare on even a 10m commute to have an incident free day (reportable that is).

Here is yesterday's gem and I only did 5m

I was about to turn right but the driver decided not to brake but just carried on oblivious to the cyclist. There was a stream of slow moving traffic coming the other way due to the cyclist and a tractor, so plenty of time to brake safely.

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wtjs replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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I was about to turn right but the driver decided not to brake but just carried on oblivious to the cyclist

Put that photo in 'Top Gear' magazine (if such a thing exists- I assume it's not only within dystopian nightmares) and the readers would view it as a normal overtake at 50 or even a bit too namby-pamby or wokePlenty of room to cycle through that gap between the car and the kerb! The tragedy for us is the fraction of police officers who think the same thing: well, maybe a bit close but no-body was seriously injured or killed, the cyclist didn't brake or wobble ...etc NFA. Excitement builds: what appears to be Lancashire Constabulary's first ever prosecution for non-contact close passing is imminent. Bet you can't wait to find out what happens!

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Hirsute replied to wtjs | 3 years ago
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Or blame me for being too far over and not allowing a proper overtake !

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wtjs replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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I have mentioned this before, as you probably know to your cost, but I actually have the letter from the Blackpool TacOps Sgt threatening to prosecute me for forcing the hapless driver to cross the double white lines when overtaking me in a dangerous position on a blind humped bridge. Sarge then backed down and I never heard from him again.

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Awavey replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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because statistical analysis of the actual danger is cold comfort in most of these situations, I dont need to know Im less likely to die if someone only shadow boxes around my head constantly, Id still like them to stop attempting to punch me, for my own wellbeing.

Plus self evidentially anyone who says they are quitting riding on the roads, or often just finds it too stressfull, is never counted in those statistics you quote anyway.

its a mental health equation, not a how many KSIs are there equation.

the only false narrative that NMOTD provides is that it makes it seem these instances are total one offs & exceptional, when I dont think they are at all.

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Hirsute replied to Awavey | 3 years ago
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I had a horrible incident on a bend last week. I could hear an engine close behind and had an oncoming car all within a NSL and feared a dangerous overtake. As it was the car turned out to be a small fiat so the actual distance to me was not as close as I feared.

No doubt the driver thought it was ok but failed to recognise what the effect on me would be. I dread to think how someone less experienced than me would have reacted.

 

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kil0ran replied to Awavey | 3 years ago
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I've thought long and hard about enforcement and camera use etc.

As a cyclist and potential victim the lack of enforcement used to annoy me, but that was a societal thing more than a personal thing, because I see it as a factor in other people choosing not to cycle. As a survivor of road violence it only would have benefited me in potentially seeing society punishing the agressor, rather than me having to hunt him down, smear his genitals in honey and chuck him in a wood ant pile (NB I didn't do this). However, if I had died as a result of his aggression, who would benefit from him hopefully doing time (yeah, right)? - it's the people left behind, not me. I'm dead and gone, it really doesn't matter to me.

For the same reason I only briefly ran a camera. Yes, it might gather evidence to prove to my loved ones why/how I died, but I'd still be dead. Finding out why is undoubtedly important in helping those left behind with their grief but it doesn't bring me back.

I've used NMOTD as therapy occasionally, because I thought it might help address my trauma - and indeed there are plenty featured where I think "Well, not much wrong with that one". But many are far worse than what I experienced.

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Awavey replied to kil0ran | 3 years ago
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kil0ran wrote:

I've used NMOTD as therapy occasionally, because I thought it might help address my trauma - and indeed there are plenty featured where I think "Well, not much wrong with that one". But many are far worse than what I experienced.

this totally, I see it almost as like group therapy somedays, it just shows you arent alone in dealing with situations like this on the road, others are going through the same experiences, which helps as it can often feel like you alone are being targetted or singled out by it, especially when others dismiss it all as not a big problem or a fuss over nothing.

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Jetmans Dad replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garrage wrote:

Completely agree Matt - I understand that NMOTD might generate clicks and revenue, but it's driving the false narrative that cycling is getting more dangerous, just like this article.

I also note that people who commented on the original forum thread that cycling is no more dangerous were ignored, in order to push this agenda.

I agree we should not be putting people off cycling by overemphasising the dangers, but is important to acknowledge that there are dangers, and that it is obvious that those dangers can be reduced by improving infrastructure for cycling (for the most part we are forced to either share roads - which drivers see as being for motor vehicles - or footpaths - which pedestrians see as being for pedestrians rather than having proper dedicated cycling facilities) and by improving driver training and education (as well as properly penalising those who transgress). 

We won't bring about any change of that nature by not talking about the reasons it is needed. 

In response to a recent incident, a colleague of mine suggested I needed to stop getting so frustrated by driver behaviour because it was only a minority that behaved that badly.

That is true ... but it only takes one of them to kill me.

Reduce the number or poorly behaved drivers, and/or give me a safer place to ride, and the probability of meeting that one on any particular journey goes down. 

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kil0ran replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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"Man carries on cycling" isn't newsworthy. Changes in behaviour brought about by direct experience of aggressive driving is. It's not an agenda, it's a lived reality for me and many others. I do wonder if it's been made worse by the lockdown nirvana road cyclists experienced in March/April/May last year - I remember doing 20-milers and not seeing a single vehicle in that time. 

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OnYerBike replied to MattKelland | 3 years ago
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As with any kind of news outlet, bad news is often considered the most "newsworthy". Mr J. Bloggs went for a bike ride and everything was fine and dandy isn't much of a news story (unless of course it's Mr H. Ford or some other celebrity).

I can see that NMOTD can be off-putting, but I also think there is value in highlighting how common these sorts of incidents are - indeed, from what I can tell most people will have at least one similar incident per ride. The vast majority of drivers are fine, but given how many cars are on the roads even if only 1% of drivers are bad then this means you are likely to experience bad driving on a regular basis. Acknowledging there is a problem on the roads is the first step to addressing it.

Personally, I've been enjoying cycling less over the past year or so, and I attribute this primarily to the loss of group rides. I do feel safer as part of a group, and the social interaction is of course nice. And no-one else really appreciates whether you've got your glasses inside or outside your helmet straps...

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Richard D replied to MattKelland | 3 years ago
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I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of aggressive encounters I have had with motorists THIS MORNING.   2

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Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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I'm a glass half full kinda guy and feel for me at least post lockdown driving isnt any worse than pre-lockdown - albeit I'm still WFH rather than commuting to the station 3 days a week.  I also believe between the proliferation of bike and dashcams together with the imperative from climate change we are slowly going to win the race.

For those like Kil0ran - who if I remember correctly is virtually a next door neighbour, and PyroTim whom I've ridden with in another online life, I say ride on enjoy the offroad and the BMX track, and stay in love with cycling and chillax, and let others in our fantastic fellowship take a go at the front of the peloton for a while.

Everyday cycling is on the up, and a small minority are running camera's full time, and for every force thats failing there's a police force thats taking our submissions seriously.  For every one driver that does a poor maneoveur I usualy get 2-3 waves and indicator thanks yous on a ride.  Most drivers genuinely arent arseholes and even the most arseholes are not 24/7.

Our day is just dawning - ride on!

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visionset replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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I hope you are right, though I thought our day was dawning 10 years ago

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Mybike | 3 years ago
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If I were a cyclist in England i park my bike inside my house and take the car The way the people police and government treats cyclist is a joke As a motorist I can do as I please because the sun was in my eyes late for work and it just a bloke on a bike excusses seem to work if those don't work I'll use the rear view mirror was blocking my view as he flew over my hood

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Jenova20 replied to Mybike | 3 years ago
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Mybike wrote:

If I were a cyclist in England i park my bike inside my house and take the car The way the people police and government treats cyclist is a joke As a motorist I can do as I please because the sun was in my eyes late for work and it just a bloke on a bike excusses seem to work if those don't work I'll use the rear view mirror was blocking my view as he flew over my hood

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this. Enforcement is lacking, and courts don't want to punish drivers, even when they kill. I'm honestly not sure if this is a culture thing, or that politicians are loathe to build more prisons and make the penalties for laws actually reflect the harm they cause. Something needs to change though, because this isn't sustainable.

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David9694 | 3 years ago
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I make a lot of choices about where and when I cycle that I don't need to consider with my car.  

As we often observe on here, people are so inured to drivers, it's all "cars will be cars" - death, fear, pollution, space occupied including pavements - put an e-scooter in the mix and this is shown in sharp relief - many people react with horror. 

Things are OK generally cycling on my preferred routes/times. Weekday mornings are pretty good.  I really don't want to get dragged down to the level at which the drivers, I have met one or two, seem to live their lives. I tend to think that their confrontation with you is just one of a string, they lurch from one to the next, day after day, sensing nothing is wrong; behaviours and standards are learnt and I often wonder about sources and origins.  It's not pleasurable for us though, is it?

The road rules for driving are pretty quaint - in my case, the 40 minute test and then 50 years with no further state intervention if I keep my nose clean. So many rules are now seen as optional, and if you can get away without following them, then do so.

Part of my job is working with and promoting a set of rules, expectations and limits - these days, this too feels quaint.  I hope the condition is temporary. 

Feedback, say the police is "polarised" on the road traffic operations that they do conduct, scratching the surface, but so many drivers seem to be chancers, resenting being caught. Cycling Mikey seems to dredge-up all manner of low-lifes, grown men stuck in their junior school.

In the newspaper comment columns, the letters and comments on articles about the roads are unremitting. Wow, that annual £185 VED buys a lot of privilege in so many drivers' minds. The "cars aren't going anywhere" letters suggest to me some who I guess have put their driving front and centre are rattled, e.g. by e-scooters.  

Southampton seems hell-bent on the removal of anything that is perceived as "holding up the traffic". I get no answer when I say soon they will have removed everything, and still the traffic problems occur, what happens then? But then I got no answer when I was asking last autumn what the benefits to Brexit actually were. The arrival of news that Southampton has topped the league for obesity related hospital admissions was a moment of mini-karma.

I'm not brilliant with money, but the cost of things and complexity of doing things is lost on the letter writers - new hospitals, by-passes and bridges over major rivers are banded about with ease. And I definitely think construction work should be handed to Dave on the internet who could have done that job in half the time by not leaning on his shovel. 

Someone must know the numbers on this - even if you catch 50 drivers speeding in an hour (as fast as you can cycle the speed gun) by the time you've collected said fines (say 90% collected) are you anywhere near covering the true cost, (hourly pay rates plus overheads) of mounting the exercise? 

I'm getting fairly good at this now, I work with words and I know now the common patterns of argument.  I doubt anyone has come away completely changed from reading my posts, but several of us at least are pushing back. I also sense the hard-working, working class /van driver-ness of it all. There isn't scope in these people's lives to save the planet, or do things differently. There's always a heavy load to carry and it's always raining.  You see a pattern setting in in London - the hip cycling East vs van and Chelsea tractor driving west. 

I hope kiloran enjoys his off road shenanigans; it is a wretched indictment on our times that he has been forced to let the bastards grind him down. 
 

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Rik Mayals unde... | 3 years ago
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I have been riding six days a week for almost 40 years, things have without doubt deteriorated greatly over the past two to three years. I have lost count of the near misses and run ins I have had with motorists. The thing is, they don't care, if I have a word with any of the drivers concerned, not one will apologise these days. Everyone just seems to think they are right, and I, as a cyclist am in the wrong, and they also say that I shouldn't be there.

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Mybike replied to Rik Mayals underpants | 3 years ago
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When i get cut off by a car I tell at them I have a car too and it more expensive then yours sometime I ask for there addresses so I can drive my car to there house and cut off thee kids when they ride there bikes see how they like that. But mostly i just ride no need to get stressed. I don't live in England

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IanMSpencer | 3 years ago
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I see two problems:

Riding as a group, several members determinedly single out when a car is called: they have been harassed so much by cars, they would rather inconvenience drivers by being a nuisance of a 10 bike line, than stay in a tight group to allow cars to pass readily - not that we don't get abused anyway.

Second, the closer to home, the worse the cars get. We cycle 70 odd miles through Warwickshire and Worcestershire with rare incidents, choosing our routes with care to avoid conflict. Then coming home you hit the school run and the wild eyed loons collecting their precious cargo (to be fair, they are pretty terrifying when you are in a car too). To get home you ride short distances on roads you'd avoid, like the local 20mph High Street (where you can actually go faster than cars due to humps but they still want to get past). That's when you aren't tapping on windows as they cut across bike lanes to straight line roundabouts. Aaargh!

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visionset replied to IanMSpencer | 3 years ago
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I concur, on a typical 100 miler, 90% of incidents happen in the few miles of suburbs around home. It is the prime motivator to move away as soon as the kids are schooled

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stomec replied to IanMSpencer | 3 years ago
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I agree that the time of day makes a huge difference.  Generally my commute is fine - drivers expect cyclists to be about, make room, and I've only had a handful of problem passes/left hooks in 10 years.

If I leave work early early however... my god it is carmageddon.  With the oblivious pensioners at lunchtime and the distracted school runners I'd now prefer to put unpaid overtime and leave after 5 

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David9694 replied to IanMSpencer | 3 years ago
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I don't currently group ride, but when there's ten of you riding, does that not stop drivers harassing you? This stuff is straight out of the Animal kingdom, you're not going to start a fight you are unlikely to win?

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visionset | 3 years ago
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I live in the suburbs, it's not too far to decent country lanes.  But I've noticed I now choose a very few routes to get there, whereas once I'd go pretty much via any route.  Definitely caused by the low level and higher intimidation.  And I'm more than happy to 'have a chat'!  Things have defininitly got worse during covid.  I'd say the main gauge of this is the verbal abuse through open windows.  Probably get a handful of those on eveery ride. Close passes obviously, deliberate ones on the up for sure.

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squidgy | 3 years ago
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Definitely been worse the last few months. Last year I made or attempted 2 video submissions to the police as a result of incidents whilst cycling. I have made 4 in the last 6 weeks, 3 on one early Sunday morning ride.

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GMBasix | 3 years ago
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I was out on a ride today - for work, as it happens - and I was reflecting on how much consideration I received from passing cars.  Not more than I am entitled to, but a bit more than I'm used to.  But that said, I haven't had much cause to complain.  It amounts to the odd idiot, rather than continual abuse of vulnerable road users.

Just a good day?  Possibly, and my mileage is down a lot for the last year or so, so maybe I just don't get the exposure to the random idiot that comes from higher miles.  So it saddens me to see the experience others have had.  

The thing that I see more often is the dull-minded comments on local social media over local cycling infra initiatives.  We all know what I mean: tired tropes about road tax, insurance, using the cycle lane ('they don't use the lanes that we put there for them..."), finger-wagging at anecdopes [sic] of 'poor' cycling.  Hopefully a vocal minority, but by heck there's a lot of them!  And fuelled by some wilfully ignorant politicians, lawyers and others; who ought to know better and for whom the information to do so is there.

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ktache replied to GMBasix | 3 years ago
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Thank you for the using of anecdopes.

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IanMSpencer replied to GMBasix | 3 years ago
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I say to people it is something like 1% of drivers who are a problem - but how many do we interact with in a typical ride? Hence we are always likely to have an incident...

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