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Cyclist-to-cyclist accident holding up traffic...Then it seems as if congratulations are in order, perhaps now cycling will be looked at as a form of transport seeing that collisions can hold up traffic!
And as for the Queen, no statement? It's her country after all, and the fact that she has to now choose another designer for the Windsor renovations, highlight the danger posed to common cyclists in her capital city. (Queen, would you let your children cycle in London?) . Surely she should let Charles loose on lorries and the danger they pose to cyclists.
Actually (seriously), the more media coverage of these accidents the better. I mean, this is the capital city of the UK, I really wonder when they are going to sort this out. Cycles are the answer, not the problem!
Hmm 'Jaywalking'...
I much prefer the term 'failing to use the Green Cross Code'.
I have literally just seen a jaywalking incident. A young woman blithely walking across Fleet St against a red man, hit by bike messenger overtaking (on the right) a sightseeing bus that had stopped to leave space on the crossing in case it went red while he was on it (rare!). Rider hit the tarmac (quite elegantly, it has to be said), everyone on the "pedestrian refuge" shook their head as if it had been his fault and asked the jaywalker if she was ok. Of course, they all then looked at the light as if to say “look, red – typical!” but then looked down at their toes when they saw it was green!
Of course, I can actually understand why my fellow peds this morning would have made this assumption, having nearly been hit myself by the same idiot Condor-cap-wearing fakenger 3 times this year: on the pavement, crossing on a one way street, and on a green man (sounds like something the Mail would make up!). This morning, though, it should have politely pointed out to her that she was a plonker and it was almost entirely (overtaking a stationery bus that quickly is a unwise) her fault.
No such thing in Britain.
That stretch along the water from blackfriars to chelsea bridge has some of the worst cyclists out there -- dangerous to other cyclicts ... I have been elbowed by a guy who didn't want me passing, cross wheeled and nearly taken down ... Watched others take down fellow cyclists ...no one hand signals to either fellow cyclists or cars when they swerve in & out of traffic ... And i do think a lot is guys going for strava records * on their commute* -- so hearing there is a strava segment confirms it. Not to miss the main point here but the way these guys ride is not helping anything.
Haha, possibly the same joggers barrelling along the Regent's Canal as if there was a cut-off time.
Some of this is due to the 'good weather'. It's a pain in the arse how many people are now jogging, walking, cycling or whatever when they were previously enjoying the delights of public transport. It does add minutes to my commute, but you have to give right of way and when there are so many it's not sensible to go fast. As soon as it rains I'll be happier than the proverbial pig.....
"I think its people in London rather than people on bikes in London that are the problem here."
+1 as illustrated today on the southbank by the jogger who physically barged past me after I slowed to a crawl to wait behind someone walking through a bottleneck.
After I caught up with him all of 10 seconds later and politely pointed out that his unwillingness to check his stride was a little unnecessary and inconsiderate, the usual bile pours out of his mouth. Nobbers are nobbers sadly and they come in all walks of life
Cyclists yelling at other cyclists for going too slowly? Oh dear, we're becoming more and more like car drivers
We generally are car drivers
roadcc, the Daily Mail of cycling.
On Millbank, and Embankment, cycling is becoming a problem in my experience. It's become a "commuter racing" hot spot, with too much drafting and racing taking place.
It's even been named on Strava as a "SCR Millbank" (Silly Commuter Racing).
Whilst bikes are less likely to cause injuries than motorised vehicles, they still present a risk. The 17 year old girl that was hit today by a cyclist is in hospital with serious head injuries
https://twitter.com/RossLydall/status/588296080581857280
I do agree entirely here ... I ride along that route on my commute. The West to East blue section is wide enough for two cyclists yet it feels like a motorway. At least once a week I have people yelling at me to move over even though I am passing another cyclist at circa 16 mph.
People need to relax a bit in London - it's not a racetrack. If they want to race they should go elsewhere (like I do)
I'm going to be popular now, but I am from London and have lived, worked, cycled and driven there so I'm allowed: I think its people in London rather than people on bikes in London that are the problem here.
The fact this is a newsworthy story really shows up how safe cycling is. Tens of people are injured, or worse, every day by motor cars, but we're so used to that it barely registers (except "Car crash on the M6, 2 dead? Ah, its a pain, I'll be delayed..."); the fact I cant remember ever reading before about a cycle-cycle collision illustrates how rarely it happens. So, here's hoping all involved make a speedy recovery, and we'll move on...
Pedestrian / cycle & cycle/cycle incident no fatalities.
2 pedestrians killed in separate collisions with Buses in 12 hours in London.
Bikes not really the problem here.
Pedestrians are clearly the problem if it's holding up motorized vehicles.
Make them all wear hi-viz and a helmet, pay road tax and pass a test to be licensed to use the road, oh, they need to have insurance too.
I'm surprised there aren't more reports of pedestrians getting hit by bikes. People are always stepping out 'blind' into the road in front of me. I collided with someone at Holborn Circus this morning when they crossed without even so much as a glance. I think the assumption is that if you can't hear a vehicle then you're good to go. Good luck to them all when near-silent electric cars are the most prevelant ones on the road.
Seconded. And when you throw out the anchors, and stop in time not to hit them, and suggest maybe they ought to have looked as well as listening, they look at you like you're mad.
I think you're right. Silent electric cars are clearly going to be too dangerous.
I remember a comic strip when I was a teenager, and someone in the future had made a fortune coming up with a machine which produced roaring sounds and "pwow-pwow-pwow" laser sounds for space travellers who felt that the silence of real space combat was too disorienting.
I wonder how long it will be before electric cars have to come with "roaring engine / screeching brakes" sound effects...
BMW are already doing it.
if the EU is switched on and mandates it to the manufacturers, then they won't be silent...
Perhaps they should make all electric cars do pew-pew-pew noises when moving and have the frequency vary according to speed?
The EU has already said that all new electric cars will need to "sound similar" to regular cars by 2021:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26857743
I suspect it'll go the same way as gas, add a smell to warn people, add an engine noise recording to warn people.
when most cars are silent people will no longer assume no noise = no cars. But the number of these cars allowed in the new forest at one time will have to be limited as theh will "spook the horses"
So the headline is about traffic being held up?