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First Ride: Mavic Ksyrium Pro Disc Allroad wheelset and Yksion Elite Allroad tyre

We take Mavic's new all-conditions wheel-tyre system for an all-conditions test ride, and we're impressed

On Friday we brought you the news that Mavic had launched a brand new gravel wheel, the Ksyrium Pro Disc Allroad. And since we were out at the launch in Wyoming, where there's masses of unsurfaced roads and trails, we got the opportunity to try them out, along with Mavic's new Yksion Elite Allroad 30mm tubeless tyre.

For the full skinny on the new wheels head over to our launch story, but in short the £750, 1,620g Ksyrium Pro Disc Allroad is a brand new wheelset with a wider 19mm rim that's UST tubeless compatible and a redesigned hub with a new ratchet drive freehub. It's paired with the 30mm Yksion Elite Allroad UST tyre, to comprise a tubeless system with an all-conditions tread pattern.

For the ride we bussed it over the Teton Pass and into Idaho, setting off from Tetonia for a 110km point-to-point epic back to Jackson Lake. The first 80km of the ride were all off-road with a big variety of conditions under wheel. There was well-graded gravel roads, the cinder bed of an abandoned railway, some rutted mud tracks and a fair few descents and climbs that were pretty close to the limit of what I was comfortable doing on 30mm rubber. Plus there was 30km of road at the end to get a feel for how the wheels and tyres behaved on the pristine Wyoming tarmac.


After the wheel swap...

Actually, I didn't set out on the Allroad wheels. Thanks to a minor sizing snafu I wasn't on board one of the Cannondale Synapse Carbon test bikes but instead a rather special Holland Cycles titanium gravel bike, the property of Mavic's regional marketing manager Mike Wilson on only its second outing. Thanks for the lend Mike!

It didn't have the new Allroads though, so I was running 28mm Yksion Guard tubed tyres on Mavic Aksium Disc wheels, with the promise of a wheel swap at lunch. As it turned out, that gave me a much better insight into the performance of the new wheels than I might have had otherwise.

Some of the surfaces were pretty challenging on a 28mm tyre. I'm a big rider and I kept the Yksion Guards pumped up fairly hard to try and avoid pinch flats, but the payoff for that was a harder ride and less grip when the surface got rough and broken. And unfortunately I didn't avoid the punctures, either. By the time we'd covered 25km I was stopping for a third time to pull a wheel off the bike: two pinch flats at the rear and one sharp flint through the front tyre had put me back among the team cars. At that point one of the yellow Mavic cars was already carrying an abandoned Synapse: an early spill had left Patrick from Red Kite Prayer with a gash in his calf from his pedal that later needed 16 stitches to pull it back together. Hopefully he's on the mend now: heal up soon Patrick.

After a wheel swap I was back on my way on a pair of the brand new Ksyrium Pro Disc Allroad wheels and Yksion Elite Allroad tyres. And boy, what a difference it made.

Switching to tubeless had an immediate effect, not just on the quality of the ride but also my state of mind. The more forgiving ride of the softer 30mm tyre was noticeable over the harder and narrower 28mm. Better than that though, the constant fear of flatting the tyres was gone. That meant I could be a bit more ambitious with my speed and my lines, knowing that if I accidentally slammed a tyre into a rock I'd probably get away with it. And I did get away with it, a number of times when I can confidently say I would have ruined another tube had I not changed wheels.

You can rip a hole in a tubeless tyre on something sharp that the sealant won't fix (a couple of people did manage that on our ride) but it's impossible to pinch one flat, because there's no tube to pinch. That means you can run a lower pressure, which means the tyre is more comfortable and conforms and grips better on loose or uneven surfaces. Plus, the wider carcass of the tyre and the wider rim bed of the wheel – the Allroad uses a rim with a 19mm internal width – gives a much bigger increase in the air chamber than the 2mm difference in nominal tyre width might suggest. Mavic suggest running the Yksion Elite Allroad tyre with 40g of sealant, and that should plug up any small punctures with a small loss of pressure. Any damage the sealant won't seal means putting a tyre boot over the inside of the hole and fitting a tube. But if that happens you're no worse off there than you would be on a tubed system. Assuming you remembered your spare tube...

The tread pattern of the Yksion Elite Allroad tyres isn't hugely aggressive but there's enough grip in the file tread that speads from the slick centreline, and the deeper shoulder tread further out, to give you a bit of confidence on the downs and traction on the ups. It didn't rain when we were on the dirt, so I can't really comment on how they cope off road in the wet.

We caught a passing shower – complete with two minutes of hail – on the final road section, and everyone got soaked; in as much as that's a test of the tyre's wet weather performance it passed with no issues, but we're looking forward to a longer and wetter full test in UK conditions.

The wheels performed admirably. When you're not using a rim brake you can cope with some big hits putting the rim a bit out of true on a ride, but in spite of getting some fairly heavy duty treatment the wheels were still running good and round when we arrived at Jackson Lake. The Instant Drive 360 ratchet freehub makes a cool sound – that's important, right? – and engagement is nice and quick. Also it's a more reliable mechanism than pawls, so a good choice for these wheels in particular, and wheels in general: it looks like Mavic will be shifting all their higher-end wheels over to the system in the future, although it's unlikely to trickle down all the way as a ratchet drive is more expensive to produce. The sealing looks to be good from studying the design – there's a high-quality labyrinth seal protecting the bearings – but it's too early to say what overall reliability is like.

Under power the wheels are stiff, and they track well with no obvious flex under braking or cornering. I had the opportunity the following day to hoik one of the Synapse test bikes up the Teton Pass (2,570m) and then fling it back down as fast as gravity-versus-wind-resistance would allow. I topped out at 97.8km/h on the downhill, a new personal best, so I think it's fair to say that the tyres roll pretty well on the blacktop. At 1,620g (claimed) the wheels are a good weight too; certainly they didn't feel like the limiting factor when I was gasping for breath on the final approaches to the pass on the way up.

All in all I was very impressed by the Ksyrium Pro Disc Allroad wheels, and the Yksion Elite Allroad tyres. Mavic sell wheel-tyre systems and specifically design them to work together, so your £750 includes a set of the tyres. There's other tyres – the Hutchinson Sector 28s spring immediately to mind – that would work really well if you're planning to use the wheels for UK lane-bashing rather than actual offroad gravel adventures. Bear in mind that with the 19mm rim, the minimum tyre width you should fit (according to ISO norms) is 28mm. You can go much bigger though, up to 47mm which means that the Allroad wheels could be a good choice for 'cross racing, or bikepacking, or monster cross, or even beach racing. They should be pretty versatile.

First impressions, then, are very good. We'll be getting our paws on a set just as soon as we can (They should be available in the UK from September) and we'll give them a full review in due course.

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TheGrupetto | 8 years ago
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Did you undertake a long term test?  Has anyone else had trouble removing the tyres from the rim?

Like technomagus, I also received mine without QRs or adapters. Apparently Mavic switched to not supplying them with their '2017' wheelsets, but acycles  have since set me a set as they were advertised with Adapters (as does the UK Mavic site, still)

have been waiting several weeks to actually receive them and then be able to put them on the bike whilst waiting for QR adapters - hopefully this weekend.

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Technomagus | 8 years ago
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I just bought a set of these wheels from Evans. They seem well made and smooth running - if they're as reliable as the Crossmax's I've been running for a dozen years, I'll be well pleased. Or at least I will be once I can use them: Mavic claims to ship them with QR skewers and adapters for through axle and QR. Not these ones - they came set up for 12/142 through axle and without any other adapters. Evans have tried to tell me that Mavic don't ship the parts with them any more. So I called Mavic, who just seemed puzzled and offered to try and sort some out for me but, after three weeks, I'm still waiting for a solution. So anyone thinking of buying these might just want to check with their supplier that they come with the parts needed for the particular fitment you need. And one more thing, mine weigh in at 1740g sans cassette, a good 120g above the manufacturer's claim. 

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Ecryder | 9 years ago
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I bought these wheels for my winter rural commute, I wanted to run the Hutchy Sector 28's as tubeless, they were currently on the Mavic Askim One discs which came with my Synapse Disc running with tubes.

Took them off the Askim's easily and fitted them to the Allroad's.  Front went on great, sealed instantly using a compressor with a loud popping sound as the tyre bead seats itself.  Fitted the rear and found a slight 6mm cut that the sealant wouldn't seal so thought I'd fit a tube till I could get a replacement. 

That's where the problems started.  I could not get the tyre out of the rim to remove it.  The bead was so tight it would not move at all, there was no way it was coming off.  I tried multiple tools all to no avail.  After 45mins of much cursing I had to cut the tyre with a Stanley blade and cut the bead from the inside.  It was under so much pressure it made a loud ping and released instantly once the sharp blade touched it.  Cut the remaining bead to remove it.

In a warm dry garage there was no way to remove the tyre, out on a ride it would be impossible to remove.  I'm now carrying a spare tyre and Stanley knife in my courier bag in case the front gets a puncture and wont seal itself.  Once I get some replacements the tyre will be cut off as well.

Word of warning, make sure you can remove tubeless tyres from your rims by hand otherwise you will have a long walk home.

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middleagedmoaner | 9 years ago
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Dave,

Any chance of a quick comparison please between both these wheelsets and the previously reviewed Kinesis Crosslights,
thanks, IC

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ciderman_100 | 9 years ago
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marketing  35

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fukawitribe replied to ciderman_100 | 9 years ago
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ciderman_100 wrote:

marketing  35

New for Mavic are (gasp) wider rims which are also UST compatible and a new, and quite tasty sounding, hub mech - so a little bit more than just marketing. There's also a market for part-road/part-trail bikes - as witnessed by people jerry-rigging them since forever and the large amount of (rather successful) bikes coming out at the moment. Tyres sound questionable however...

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cyclotripper | 9 years ago
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 39 so Mavic set you up on some Aksiums that you flatted 3 times, so they were complete junk for the ride you were doing.. Then you swapped to wheels, that were available cause someone crashed and needed 16 stitches. You didn't flat these wheels but a couple of people did rip a hole in their tubeless tyres with something sharp that the sealant wouldn't fix.

So in short it sounds like a complete disaster, and a load of wheel/tyre combos that just were not cut out for that particular ride..

if normal people were riding that trail, they wouldn't have mavic support cars, and would want tyres that wouldn't puncture.

Maybe they might even ride a sensible mountain bike, with good volume tyres. Why is the new trend trying to turn a road bike into a mountain bike, when good mountain bikes allready exist.  102

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joules1975 replied to cyclotripper | 9 years ago
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cyclotripper wrote:

 39 so Mavic set you up on some Aksiums that you flatted 3 times, so they were complete junk for the ride you were doing.. Then you swapped to wheels, that were available cause someone crashed and needed 16 stitches. You didn't flat these wheels but a couple of people did rip a hole in their tubeless tyres with something sharp that the sealant wouldn't fix.

So in short it sounds like a complete disaster, and a load of wheel/tyre combos that just were not cut out for that particular ride..

if normal people were riding that trail, they wouldn't have mavic support cars, and would want tyres that wouldn't puncture.

Maybe they might even ride a sensible mountain bike, with good volume tyres. Why is the new trend trying to turn a road bike into a mountain bike, when good mountain bikes allready exist.  102

Because mountain bikes are REALLY slow on the road, and so if you want to mix a bit of smooth-ish off road into your road ride, you want to be on something that doesn't feel like a tractor when on the black stuff.

There are some reasonable length forest road short-cuts round where I am, which could open up a whole load more route options. I could easily do a 60 mile ride from my house where first 20 is on the road, 10-15 on forest roads and the remainder back on the road - there is no way I'm using my mountain bike for that!

Oh, and this semi-offroading on a road bike is actually taking road bikes back to what many people did on them anyway - my 60 year old neighbour used to take his Flying Scot on stuff I'd only every take my mountain bike up, and remember all those pictures of the tour de france going over those passes before they were black-topped.

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dave atkinson replied to cyclotripper | 9 years ago
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cyclotripper wrote:

 39 so Mavic set you up on some Aksiums that you flatted 3 times, so they were complete junk for the ride you were doing.. Then you swapped to wheels, that were available cause someone crashed and needed 16 stitches. You didn't flat these wheels but a couple of people did rip a hole in their tubeless tyres with something sharp that the sealant wouldn't fix.

So in short it sounds like a complete disaster, and a load of wheel/tyre combos that just were not cut out for that particular ride..

if normal people were riding that trail, they wouldn't have mavic support cars, and would want tyres that wouldn't puncture.

Maybe they might even ride a sensible mountain bike, with good volume tyres. Why is the new trend trying to turn a road bike into a mountain bike, when good mountain bikes allready exist.  102

Mavic didn't 'set me up' with some aksiums, I rode them because the the cannondale they'd got me didn't fit, for whatever reason. that stuff happens on press trips. as it was, they weren't really up to the terrain, no. And the Allroads were. so it was a useful comparison. although mike, who lent me his bike, did the whole thing on his road bike with aksiums and 28s, so fair play to him.

Patrick crashed: yeah, that sometimes happens on a ride. You can read his take on it here: http://redkiteprayer.com/2015/06/stride/

it's certainly a reflection on the design of the zxellium pedal, which i wasn't a fan of before and am even less now. but it's not a reflection on the wheels. I've come off due to a wheel caught in a rut a bunch of times. Always on a mountain bike.

A couple of people managed to flat the tyres: yeah. because that's what were trying to do: test the limits of some new stuff. that's why we were there. If it was your own bike, and you didn't have a support car, you'd be more careful than we were. a *lot* more careful. I was a bit more restrained because i didn't want to bin it and smash up mike's new bike. But I was still giving the wheels a good going over.

good mountain bikes exist, yeah. so do larger volume slicks than the ones we were using. if i was to spec a bike just for that ride then i'd look for bigger volume tyres than a 30mm: there was some fairly technical bits, and i'm a big lad. but i certainly wouldn't want to be riding a mountain bike for 110km with 30km on the road to finish: your mileage may vary there. for general all-conditions riding over a mixture of surfaces the allroads were good. for UK all-conditions riding, which would likely mean a bigger percentage of road, they'd likely be even better. but we'll see.

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bikeandy61 | 9 years ago
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Did you all get to keep that kit everyone seems to be wearing?

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dave atkinson replied to bikeandy61 | 9 years ago
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bikeandy61 wrote:

Did you all get to keep that kit everyone seems to be wearing?

yeah, it's a new Mavic Ksyrium line but it's SS16, so won't be launching until later in the year. Probably the official launch will be at Eurobike in late August

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bendertherobot | 9 years ago
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Thing is, my hand built Pacenti SL25 with Hope Hubs and Sapim D Light spokes cost me £390. I run them tubeless with Schwalbe Ones that I got for £50 the pair. That's considerably cheaper. Are the Mavics worth the extra? Particularly given their use of (normally) proprietary spokes etc.

I do like the sound of the tyres mind. There's little real choice of tubeless "Road" tyres in the plus 28c section. I'm running 35c tubed Hyper Voyagers on my commuting bike and they are buttery smooth.

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Ad Hynkel replied to bendertherobot | 9 years ago
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bendertherobot wrote:

...I run them tubeless with Schwalbe Ones that I got for £50 the pair...

D'ya mind telling us where that was from?

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bendertherobot replied to Ad Hynkel | 9 years ago
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Ad Hynkel wrote:
bendertherobot wrote:

...I run them tubeless with Schwalbe Ones that I got for £50 the pair...

D'ya mind telling us where that was from?

Not at all. Bike Discount. But the price there fluctuates wildly!

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imajez replied to bendertherobot | 9 years ago
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bendertherobot wrote:

Thing is, my hand built Pacenti SL25 with Hope Hubs and Sapim D Light spokes cost me £390. I run them tubeless with Schwalbe Ones that I got for £50 the pair. That's considerably cheaper.

Who built your wheels benderbot?
Ta.

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tandellcycling | 9 years ago
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UST tubeless rims for CX bike,awesome yeah

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themartincox | 9 years ago
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just too late for Transcontinental though by the looks of it  2

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bamboo | 9 years ago
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Dave,

thank you, excellent review - and it looks like you had a blast in Wyoming getting a 2015 KOM - nice one!

Are these wheels very different to the Mavic Ksyrium Pro Disc 700C Road wheels? Is it mainly the tyre that comes as a package that is different or are the actual wheels also different?

Bamboo

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dave atkinson replied to bamboo | 9 years ago
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bamboo wrote:

Dave,

thank you, excellent review - and it looks like you had a blast in Wyoming getting a 2015 KOM - nice one!

Are these wheels very different to the Mavic Ksyrium Pro Disc 700C Road wheels? Is it mainly the tyre that comes as a package that is different or are the actual wheels also different?

Bamboo

the wheels are wider (19mm internal), they're UST tubeless compatible and they have a redesigned hub. so yeah, quite different

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