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Live blog: Belgium's word of the year? "Murderstrip" - a painted bike lane, pump track cycle lane, Geraint Thomas the Grogg + more

After the BBC's blunder of editing out G's Welsh flag as he celebrates his TDF victory, national pride is restored after we spotted that he's proving so popular as a Grogg you'll have to wait five months for one!...

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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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I just love the bluntness of the Belgians....

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kil0ran replied to Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

I just love the bluntness of the Belgians....

I was in a relatively small Belgian town (Dendermonde) on a business trip last week. The place was absolutely teeming with cyclists who have priority most places and the "protection" of presumed liability laws. Driving round with a local four things were noticeable:

  • Most of the cycling infrastructure consisted of murder strips
  • Belgian drivers are super-wary of cyclists
  • Belgian drivers drive like their CXers - hard and fast
  • Almost zero lycra and helmet usage

It's an odd mix and I can see why they're called murder strips. It felt like around town the average driving speed was over 30mph, or certainly higher than it is in a UK town. The strips are narrow, and most cyclists are getting it done too, even on hybrids and dutch bikes. So plenty of overtaking in narrow cycle lanes alongside fast traffic, and most kids cycle to school.

Looking at the stats fatalities are between 73 & 90 deaths per year since 2011. Couldn't find anything on fatalities per km travelled but clearly Les Belges cycle more for utility than we do.

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ktache | 6 years ago
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Murderstrip, I get that.

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Tommytrucker | 6 years ago
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Reminds me a little of the cycle lane on Sealand Road heading towards Chester, running across all of the dropped kerbs for the drives to each house.

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don simon fbpe replied to Tommytrucker | 6 years ago
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Tommytrucker wrote:

Reminds me a little of the cycle lane on Sealand Road heading towards Chester, running across all of the dropped kerbs for the drives to each house.

My thought exactly.

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burtthebike | 6 years ago
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The tarmac hasn't risen up between the concrete blocks, it has been laid on top of the original flat tarmac so that pedestrians can easily get up to the road.  It would have been extremely difficult with a wheelchair/buggie or any kind of disablement to get onto the road.  Looks hideous, is probably dangerous for cyclists and demonstrates the complete lack of forethought by the planners.

You don't say where it is, but it's kind of comforting to realise that it isn't just UK planners who can screw up so utterly royally.  Kind of.

No experienced planner would have done this, but it seems that the raw planners, straight out of college, are given the pedestrian/cycling schemes, so we keep getting results like this.  Experience is what you get when you make a mistake, but after they've got some experience they are promoted, and the next school-leaver gets to practice on the cyclists/pedestrians, and the cycle continues.  When I used to go to meetings with the local planners, I often wondered why poor little amateur me seemed to know more about planning for cyclists than the professionals and eventually worked out that I had read the books and the planning documents, they'd just spent a couple of years at college talking statistics and getting pissed.

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Biggie Smells | 6 years ago
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I don't get it? Morrissey isn't Welsh.

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Crashboy replied to Biggie Smells | 6 years ago
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See 59 wrote:

I don't get it? Morrissey isn't Welsh.

 

Now you've pointed that out...I actually laughed out loud when I went back to look what you meant!

Perhaps the JV footage should have a Smiths soundtrack   "...and if a double decker bus, crashes into us...")

 

Either way, at least he's a Sports Personality who actually HAS a personality for once!

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EK Spinner | 6 years ago
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From what I can see the Flag was removed from the picture that was used in promotions prior to the votes for SPOTY, just as the union flag was removed from the picture used for Lizzie Yarnold, it's not about Celt bashing but a clumsy attempt at reducing the "vote for the one from my part of the country"

As a Scot I'm not suddenly getting upset that no Scots were in the short list this year, though I do get annoyed by the amout of Football drivel on the show (mostly because I love nearly all sport but really really dislike football and this country's obsession with it)

 

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Simon E replied to EK Spinner | 6 years ago
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EK Spinner wrote:

From what I can see the Flag was removed from the picture that was used in promotions prior to the votes for SPOTY, just as the union flag was removed from the picture used for Lizzie Yarnold, it's not about Celt bashing but a clumsy attempt at reducing the "vote for the one from my part of the country"

Missed this earlier. So why not use a different picture of Thomas? There are surely lots to choose from.

Merely the possibility that the editing was politically motivated is disconcerting. Or perhaps some of us are interpreting it has having a particular meaning when there is none.

EK Spinner wrote:

As a Scot I'm not suddenly getting upset that no Scots were in the short list this year, though I do get annoyed by the amout of Football drivel on the show (mostly because I love nearly all sport but really really dislike football and this country's obsession with it)

Football drivel is a staple of British sports media. It sells newspapers and website clicks and it's not hard to find a pundit as any dimwit can spout about footie.

Are there Scottish athletes / sportspeople / hoofball celebrities that should be on the list? I don't follow sports other than those with 2 or 3 wheels so wouldn't have a clue. TBH the programme is a backslapping exercise and of no relevance to anything else. Its only merit is in showcasing people from less popular sports. Cycling surely isn't one of those now but I can't imagine what that must have been like when Tom Simpson won spoty.

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maviczap | 6 years ago
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BBC removed the Sky logo because  one of their core sports didntd win POTY. It's infuriating for them that these bally cyclists keep winning when our other national teams have won nothing this year.

They don't give road cycling any coverage in their sports reports, apart from the mearest mention when G,Yates or Froome win a stage. This despite the UK public loving road cycling, witness the crowds by the roadside during major events, and ITV4s viewing figures for the TDF and Vuelta.

But give them a cycling scandal and it's all hands to the pumps

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don simon fbpe replied to maviczap | 6 years ago
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maviczap wrote:

BBC removed the Sky logo because  one of their core sports didntd win POTY. It's infuriating for them that these bally cyclists keep winning when our other national teams have won nothing this year.

They don't give road cycling any coverage in their sports reports, apart from the mearest mention when G,Yates or Froome win a stage. This despite the UK public loving road cycling, witness the crowds by the roadside during major events, and ITV4s viewing figures for the TDF and Vuelta.

But give them a cycling scandal and it's all hands to the pumps

Brushing out the SKY logo is the least of the BBC's problems in that photo, byt.

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burtthebike replied to maviczap | 6 years ago
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maviczap wrote:

BBC removed the Sky logo because  one of their core sports didntd win POTY. It's infuriating for them that these bally cyclists keep winning when our other national teams have won nothing this year.

They don't give road cycling any coverage in their sports reports, apart from the mearest mention when G,Yates or Froome win a stage. This despite the UK public loving road cycling, witness the crowds by the roadside during major events, and ITV4s viewing figures for the TDF and Vuelta.

But give them a cycling scandal and it's all hands to the pumps

I was trying not to mention the BBC's 30 year helmet campaign that breaks every rule in their own Editorial Guidelines, but you made me do it!  And they have endless programmes about obesity and always, but always, blame it solely on diet, and never, but never, ever mention the single most effective way of treating it; cycling.

Ergo, they hate cyclists.

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don simon fbpe | 6 years ago
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That's pretty embarrasing by the BBC.

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John Smith | 6 years ago
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Why is is always so predictable:

 

Cyclist: I was almost killed

Some idiot: Ye, well what about cyclists that run red lights?

Cyclist: Drivers run red lights too/speed/put more road users at risk

Idiot: Were not talking about that. We are talking about cyclists!

 

I got in to one of these arguments at work the other day. Apparently it is totally acceptable to stand in the middle of the office bitching loudly about cyclists running a red light at the end of the road, but I'm being rude when I butt in to point out that its because drivers also ignore the light, stop in the ASL and cut the corner (It's left only for cars and a crossroads for cyclists. I have seen cyclists hit there) and cycists feel unsafe stopping there. Still bitter about that.

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Zebulebu replied to John Smith | 6 years ago
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John Smith wrote:

Why is is always so predictable:

 

Cyclist: I was almost killed

Some idiot: Ye, well what about cyclists that run red lights?

Cyclist: Drivers run red lights too/speed/put more road users at risk

Idiot: Were not talking about that. We are talking about cyclists!

 

I got in to one of these arguments at work the other day. Apparently it is totally acceptable to stand in the middle of the office bitching loudly about cyclists running a red light at the end of the road, but I'm being rude when I butt in to point out that its because drivers also ignore the light, stop in the ASL and cut the corner (It's left only for cars and a crossroads for cyclists. I have seen cyclists hit there) and cycists feel unsafe stopping there. Still bitter about that.

Don't waste your time being bitter. Gammon's gonna Gammon.

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brooksby replied to John Smith | 6 years ago
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John Smith wrote:

Why is is always so predictable:

 

Cyclist: I was almost killed

Some idiot: Ye, well what about cyclists that run red lights?

Cyclist: Drivers run red lights too/speed/put more road users at risk

Idiot: Were not talking about that. We are talking about cyclists!

 

I got in to one of these arguments at work the other day. Apparently it is totally acceptable to stand in the middle of the office bitching loudly about cyclists running a red light at the end of the road, but I'm being rude when I butt in to point out that its because drivers also ignore the light, stop in the ASL and cut the corner (It's left only for cars and a crossroads for cyclists. I have seen cyclists hit there) and cycists feel unsafe stopping there. Still bitter about that.

Like pretty much every local paper story that mentions a cyclist, and is used as an excuse to talk not about the story in question but "about this one time, there was this one cyclist, and he did something I don't agree with, and another time I saw this other cyclist who..., and another time...".

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bikeman01 replied to John Smith | 6 years ago
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John Smith wrote:

Why is is always so predictable:

 

Cyclist: I was almost killed

Some idiot: Ye, well what about cyclists that run red lights?

Cyclist: Drivers run red lights too/speed/put more road users at risk

Idiot: Were not talking about that. We are talking about cyclists!

 

I got in to one of these arguments at work the other day. Apparently it is totally acceptable to stand in the middle of the office bitching loudly about cyclists running a red light at the end of the road, but I'm being rude when I butt in to point out that its because drivers also ignore the light, stop in the ASL and cut the corner (It's left only for cars and a crossroads for cyclists. I have seen cyclists hit there) and cycists feel unsafe stopping there. Still bitter about that.

 

Get a new job. It sounds like you work with a bunch of morons.

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Kendalred | 6 years ago
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Good of the WMP to emphasise 'if it were on our patch' - puts the onus on the Met to treat JV and other London commuters fairly.

Re G and the flag - a bit antagonistic, given some people's sensitivity, but you coulld argue that it looks better aesthetically for their purposes - it looks a bit 'busy' with the dragon directly behind his head. The removal of the Sky logo on the other hand just smacks of petty rivalry!

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burtthebike | 6 years ago
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So other police forces responded and said they would take action, but is there anything from the Met?

The BBC was best described as "where the truth comes to die."  Removing the flag is crass.

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hawkinspeter replied to burtthebike | 6 years ago
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burtthebike wrote:

So other police forces responded and said they would take action, but is there anything from the Met?

The BBC was best described as "where the truth comes to die."  Removing the flag is crass.

I'm hoping that the Met aren't commenting because they're dealing with the driver.

The BBC is truly a disgrace - it's supposed to be "British", not English.

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Simon E replied to burtthebike | 6 years ago
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burtthebike wrote:

The BBC was best described as "where the truth comes to die."  Removing the flag is crass.

Disagree. Removing the SKY logo was crass.

Removing Geraint's flag is deeply offensive.

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