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Driver tells road safety meeting kids cycling should take more responsibility for crashes; Meanwhile... Dutch children cycle to school without controversy; TDF confirms 2024 Nice TT finale (+ your thoughts); Rebellin tributes + more on the live blog

Pinch, punch first day of the month. The countdown is on... just 17 live blogs 'til Christmas. Dan Alexander is opening the first door on the live blog advent calendar as we speak, taking you through Thursday with the usual mish-mash of cycling content...

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01 December 2022, 11:42
Driver tells road safety meeting kids cycling should take more responsibility for crashes

As if by magic, to perfectly demonstrate the difference in attitudes towards cycling in the UK vs the Netherlands, the Shropshire Star comes in hot with coverage of a road safety meeting that heard how 85 per cent of drivers exceed the speed limit at one site...

The Radbrook Road Safety Group was set up after two mothers' sons were involved in collisions, Angela Warren showing the local press the mangled wreck of her son's bike after he was hit by a driver. The group is calling for wider road safety measures, such as 20mph speed limits BUT, shocked by the outrageous calls for kids to be kept safe while getting from A to B, one resident isn't so sure...

The man, who did not want to be named, told the Star: "Kids on bikes do not stop. Some responsibility should be put on cyclists and parents, not everything on car drivers." I'm starting to see why these words were given anonymously...

He also branded 20mph speed limits "unnecessary", something a member of the council rubbished in reply... "If a mistake is made it should not cost serious injury or loss of life," Ffion Horton responded. "We are talking about children who are under the age of 18 after all. There are seven schools in a small area with a total of 5,000 children. There are a crazy number of kids. We are making it safer to walk and cycle."

Ms Horton stressed that the Highway Code emphasises pedestrians and cyclists should be treated with priority due to their vulnerability on the road, something the council must design road safety measures to promote.

01 December 2022, 16:47
"Cyclists are returning to the capital – now is the time to invest in infrastructure"

Here's an opinion piece published in yesterday's Evening Standard calling for further investment into London's cycling infa...

> The Standard View: Cyclists are returning to the capital – now is the time to invest in infrastructure

Before whoever made the point on yesterday's blog about funding being needed for the rest of the country has to dig out their comment, I'll say it for you â€“ it would be ideal if infra didn't just pop up in London...

Anyway, that wasn't the point of this post, as usual I've been sidetracked...as the Standard said:

Cycling or walking isn't for every journey, but a city in which locals and tourists alike can get around under their own steam, or on public transport, is within our grasp if we make the investments now.

01 December 2022, 15:20
If the World Cup was pro cycling...

Robert KiĆĄerlovski, your time has come. Croatia vs Belgium for a place in the last 16, payback for the final stage of the 2018 Tour de Yorkshire...

World Cup pro cycling (procyclingstats)

If revenge is a dish best served cold, German Sergej Fuchs' dinner for Andrey Amador is still defrosting. The Germans need to beat Costa Rica tonight, a match 14 years in the making for the now-retired Fuchs, ever since a young Amador beat him to the Tour de l'Avenir prologue back in '08...

World Cup pro cycling (procyclingstats)

Amador went on to ride for Movistar and Ineos, winning a Grand Tour stage and twice finishing in the top 10 of the Giro d'Italia. Fuchs never bettered his l'Avenir effort, retiring in 2013 after a short career at Continental level...

There you have it — today's World Cup action in pro cycling (yes, that sound you might have just heard was us scraping the bottom of  the Procyclingstats barrel...)

01 December 2022, 14:58
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01 December 2022, 14:43
Woke bike hangars: How it started vs how it's going...

How it started...

The Sun bike hangar coverage

> Bike hangars are "woke" (apparently) as car parking row rumbles on

How it's going...

01 December 2022, 12:45
Lamborghini goes gravel... and it's as skin-crawlingly cringeworthy as you'd expect

So far my favourite take on this one is: "Someone got paid a f***load of money for that"... Yep, that's the Lambo Sterrato, presumably named after the famous sterrato of Strade Bianche...

01 December 2022, 12:20
Past investor in Rapha and Evans Cycles leads $23 million investment in Classified Cycling
2022 Classified Powershift hub only - 1

Classified Cycling, the brains behind the innovative Powershift drivetrain, has raised $23 million (£19 million) in investment, led by a former backer of Rapha and Evans Cycles — Active Partners.

> REVIEW: Classified Powershift Kit & Wheelset

Existing investor Bridford Investments Limited was also involved in the funding round, Bicycle Retailer and Industry News reports, while retired pros Tom Boonen, Anna van der Breggen, Marcel Kittel and André Greipel have also invested in the brand.

With the investment Classified Cycling hopes to expand to e-bike drivetrains and develop business in the US and European markets.

When Liam got his hands on one of Classified's Powershift hubs for review he was impressed, calling it a "really interesting bit of tech that has the power to change road bike design for good".

"It's a front derailleur-killing design that I think is going to really shake things up, particularly in the aero bike world, by allowing you to run what is effectively a 2x setup while reaping the benefits of 1x. And with more wheel brands on board, things are going to get even better"...

01 December 2022, 11:07
Nice final stage TT CONFIRMED

It seems A.S.O has listened to the readers of this live blog (and the rest of the cycling world)...

And what's more...

01 December 2022, 08:52
No controversy, no Twitter row... just Dutch kids cycling to school

Compare this...

 To how this went down...

Viral video debated on Jeremy Vine show (screenshot Twitter video/ @azb2019)

> Viral video of driver refusing to stop for five-year-old cyclist debated on Jeremy Vine's Channel 5 show

> Sajid Javid blames father of five-year-old cyclist for letting child ride on road

> "Should not be on the public highway riding a bike": Conservative politician weighs in on viral clip of driver refusing to stop for child

Dutch kids cycling to school (Twitter/ @BicycleDutch)

All we're seeing here is a group of human beings travelling to school... no cycling kit, no hi-vis, basic lights, no helmets even, just a country with a safe culture and infrastructure for cycling...

It reminds me of the reader email we shared on yesterday's live blog:

I was born and raised in Holland. Road division is as follows: Main carriageway, grass verge, cycle path and then footpath. I have cycled to school, gone shopping all on my bike. Not once was I involved in an accident or disagreement with a car driver. There it is. Dutch common sense.

Where do we buy this 'common sense' thing you talk of? 

01 December 2022, 09:37
"Could make a finish for the ages": Your thoughts on Tour de France ditching Paris for Nice finale
Tour de France 2022 stage 21 Champs-ÉlysĂ©es (A.S.O/Charly Lopez)

[đŸ“·: A.S.O/Charly Lopez]

As we shared on yesterday's blog, the Tour de France is likely to swap out the final stage in Paris for a seaside finale in 2024 because of the Olympic Games being held in the French capital just days later. So what do you make of the rumoured finish in Nice?

Rendel Harris hopes the procession will be dropped in favour of "full-on racing"...

"It would be really great if in finishing in Nice in 2024 the organisers could, for once, eschew the usual processionary stage and have full-on racing, there are such wonderful mountains all around the area that it could make a finish for the ages. Knowing ASO I'm 99 per cent sure they'll just go for a dull pootle along the coast with a sprint finish on the Anglais, but hope springs eternal.

Miller replied: "I suspect the riders enjoy the last stage being relatively low stress. One last sprint and they can have a big party and then take their family for a beach holiday."

But Rendel's got an idea... "I'm sure they do and by God they earn it, but just every now and again it might be nice to have a last day that actually meant something? Two thirds of the Giro last days since 2008 have been individual time trials and produced some amazing finales...imagine Pog, Rog, Bernal, Vingegaard — maybe even Pidcock! — all within two minutes of each other and an out and back 40k TT over the Col de Braus on the final day. A man can dream
 but as I said, almost certainly won't happen."

I'm sold.

 

Jonas Vingegaard Tour de France 2022 stage 21 Paris Arc de Triomphe (A.S.O/Aurélien Vialatte)

[đŸ“·: A.S.O/AurĂ©lien Vialatte]

AlsoSomniloquism: "After my volunteering stint with the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, I was looking at Paris Olympics for an encore and wondering if I could go early and catch the finale. (I was aware it was probably being moved but no decision had fully been made).

"However I do hope, as you mentioned, that they decide a good full race now rather then a GC procession."

Fredy: "Very seldom watch the final stage of Tour de France as such an anticlimax. Hopefully Nice will be nice 👍"

HarrogateSpa agreed: "With you on that one. Ok, there's the sprint, but all the divving about and sipping champagne beforehand...it's not sport."

01 December 2022, 09:16
Davide Rebellin tributes

The tributes to Davide Rebellin from across the cycling world continued last night...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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IanMSpencer replied to Tom_77 | 2 years ago
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Let's just be grateful he wasn't driving a car - as if anyone would do such a thing as drunk or drugged driving these days...

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I love my bike | 2 years ago
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#dnftcp Chilled evening news reporting from Grote Markt in Den Hague. https://twitter.com/i/status/1598022222744293376

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JustTryingToGet... | 2 years ago
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In Britain, I'd be terrified of a dickhead reversing out of one of those spaces without looking... is this not an issue in NL? And if not, how have they tackled that?

One of my (many) driving bug bears is people reversing outs of spaces/drives when I think they should reverse in. Though those parking spaces look like they make it difficult to reverse in by design.

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Rendel Harris replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:

In Britain, I'd be terrified of a dickhead reversing out of one of those spaces without looking... is this not an issue in NL? And if not, how have they tackled that?

One would guess that a big part of the way it's tackled is by making cycling so attractive that virtually every driver also cycles and (anecdotally, I wonder if there have been any studies?) in my experience drivers who cycle regularly on the road are far more likely to watch for cyclists when manoeuvering.

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Sredlums replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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This, and even if they do not or hardly ever ride themselves, EVERYBODY here in The Netherlands knows people who do. In many countries cyclists are regarded as weird, 'lycra clad' activist nut cases by car drivers. Over here cyclist are actual human beings you can relate to. It could be your own kid, your father of mother, your colleague, a friend, your kid's classmate, you name it.
That simple fact makes all the difference in the behaviour or car drivers. 

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Bigfoz replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Highway code rule 201: When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can.

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perce replied to Bigfoz | 2 years ago
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I only wish I could. Most of the time my selfish and inconsiderate neighbours park directly opposite my drive, making it difficult to get in and out. This is on a new estate where most houses have at least two off road parking spaces

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belugabob replied to Bigfoz | 2 years ago
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Bigfoz wrote:

Highway code rule 201: When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can.

Don't be silly - that would deny them the opportunity to save a couple of seconds when getting home from work Don't worry that it takes many more (dangerous) seconds to reverse out, in the morning - thereby putting them into the "gotta hurry, I'm late" frame of mind, before they've even started their commute.

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Pyro Tim replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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Cyclists have right of way, and the drivers are cyclists, so obey.

It's not always been so good in NL, and isn't always as rosy as it seems.

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marmotte27 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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I don't know about this particular place, but generally speaking places like these would not have high levels of motorized traffic. So movement in and out of these parking slots would be few, drivers can in no way feel they have any priority here and the high levels of cycling (and the fact they're very likely to cycle on these streets or similar streets themselves) would make them very careful in looking out for cyclists.

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IanMK replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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Just popped in to the local village co-op for some lunch (forgot to pick mine up this morning). What struck me versus the Dutch is that's it's absolute chaos. Street parked cars presumably dumped as close to their house as they could get and that's in the middle of the day. There are NO marked bays at all and almost no parking restrictions so completely uncontrolled. You can see that with minimal amount of paint it could be so much more pleasant for all users. At least that would be a start.

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Car Delenda Est | 2 years ago
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Translation issue, the Dutch "kids cycling to school" roughly translates into the English "gang of hoodlums on bikes."

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IanMSpencer replied to Car Delenda Est | 2 years ago
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Looking out of my hotel room on the outskirts of Amsterdam,we were greeted by the rear view of a male cyclist sprinting past on a drop bar bike wearing nothing but a thong. I'm not sure we should import all Dutch ideas... but it did cheer us up for the day.

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Car Delenda Est replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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Sounds very 'high speed, low drag' to me. 😏

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Car Delenda Est | 2 years ago
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Brought his own skin suit?

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JustTryingToGet... replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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IanMSpencer wrote:

Looking out of my hotel room on the outskirts of Amsterdam,we were greeted by the rear view of a male cyclist sprinting past on a drop bar bike wearing nothing but a thong. I'm not sure we should import all Dutch ideas... but it did cheer us up for the day.

Had he taken all necessary action for gains, or was there just a bit of downy fluff?

There is surely merit in a thread for best outfits or non-outfits seen on a bike

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