Another day, another shocking footage involving cyclists on Australian roads.
Just days after former Aussie police sergeant advocated for the safety of cyclists by pinning the responsibility on them (much like our friends in the Garda today), and warning them to “stay off” busy roads and “don’t put yourself in harm’s way”, we’ve had another incident make the headlines.
Now, this recent video treads into waters that are slightly murkier, and we’d be interested to see what you people think. The footage posted on Facebook shows a motorist in Canberra approach a roundabout in the right-hand lane, with a group of cyclists on the left-hand lane in front of him.
“Don’t cut the f*****g corner, you d**k,” the driver can be heard saying in the 15 second clip, taken on February 9 on Fairbairn Avenue in Campbell, as the cyclist ends up spilling his wheels on the other lane, with the driver coming terrifyingly close to him.
The cyclist pulls to the left promptly, crossing back over the solid white lane. However, just two seconds later, another cyclist crosses over the lane and suddenly slows them, as the driver slams on the brakes and screeches to a near-halt from 53 km/hr to avoid clattering into the back of the cyclist, who looks back looking almost unaware of the motorist behind him.
“Jesus. F*** me,” says the driver, with the cyclist moving back into the left lane as the driver goes past.
> Aussie police sergeant warns cyclists to “stay off” busy roads and “don’t put yourself in harm’s way”, as Sky News asks “Are cyclists annoying us?” – a month after two riders seriously injured in deliberate hit-and-runs
The incident has led to Australian police calling the video “concerning” and calling for witnesses to come forward.
The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) Police, speaking to Yahoo News Australia, said: “The video footage is concerning as it involves road users putting themselves in extremely dangerous positions. Anyone involved in the incident is welcome to speak to police to provide their details and recollection of this incident.”
The spokesperson added that cyclists and drivers must obey all road rules when riding or driving on ACT Roads, and “all road users, including cyclists and drivers, have to obey the same road rules”.
The footage, as you’d expect, inflamed reactions on social media and led to an outpouring of intense vitriol of all sorts of anti-cycling chatter one can muster up from the dark, dingy corners of the internet.
The comments include everything, from raging cyclist bashers claiming “this is why we need license plates and insurance” (because that has stopped motorists from doing all wrong) to people feeling that cyclists own the road (technically, public roads are in fact, owned by everyone, including cyclists).
And this is something knowing that the incident happened in Australia, you know, not the country best-known for its cycling-friendliness?
In fact, just last month, the country’s only Tour de France winner Cadel Evans spoke out about the dangers of cycling on Australian roads, after two 16-year-olds were arrested as part of an investigation into two horrendous hit-and-run incidents in Melbourne, which saw two cyclists mowed down as one of the car’s passengers filmed the collisions while “laughing”, before uploading them to social media.
> “What kind of disturbed, inhumane individuals do that?”: Double hit-and-run suspects were “laughing” after mowing down Melbourne cyclist
In fact, Sky News Australia, just days after the hit-and-runs, did a segment titled ‘Are Australian cyclists annoying us?’, in which the aforementioned retired police chief said: “Cyclists – stay off the roads in the peak hour and use your common sense and find your places to ride, don’t put yourself in harm’s way.”
However, there were some comments from people which questioned the motorists’ actions. One person said: “Maybe give way to vehicles already in the roundabout,” while another added: “Tooting your horn because you feel hurt because you can't get to top speed on the roundabout, that's illegal.”
Meanwhile, another person said: “I regularly ride on the bike paths and I'd like to feel comfortable riding on the road. Unfortunately these clowns make it more difficult for everyone that would like to share the roads.
“It does look like this is an organised group ride and whoever organised this should be kicking at least two of these members from the group. They are wrecking things for everybody.”
What are your takeaways from the video? Should the driver have slowed down and been more patient, or does the blame fall on the cyclists? As always, let us know in the comments…
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A quick look over your shoulder is called a lifesaver for a reason.
Essex Extra Eyes
Last year, cyclists reported 1073 close passes through the Extra Eyes service, which is run by the Safer Essex Roads Partnership (SERP).
In total, cyclists logged 1,279 reports through Extra Eyes, with 84 per cent of the reports being for close passes.
The largest number of reports came from drivers who made 2,816 reports of which 1,885 (67 per cent) were for careless or inconsiderate driving.
Of the reports by cyclists, 56 per cent were taken forward by Essex Police, which will have led to prosecution * or the offer of a driver-improvement course for the offender. Seven per cent resulted in an advice letter being sent and 35 per cent resulted in no further action.
Of the reports by drivers, 35 per cent were taken forward by the police which will have resulted in prosecution or the offer of a driver improvement course, 3 per cent resulted in an advice letter being sent and 53 per cent resulted in no further action.
There were also 934 reports by pedestrians, 28 by motorcyclists and 36 by horse riders.
Cyclists yet again the best judges of careless driving
* Awaits wtjs comments !
Awaits wtjs comments !
I think you would say that I only know about Lancashire Constabulary, which is true. I do know that they employ a complete rack of dodges, one of which is binning cases after a NIP has been sent out and trying to keep quiet about that. Another is defining submissions to OpSnap Lancs as ineligible, for unstated reasons, and then excluding them from statistics
Assuming the recent highway code update about heirarchy doesn't apply to that geography, even if common sense would indicate it should:
pedestrians then cyclists then motorists etc ...
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Cyclists would be expected to be wary of more vulnerable road users: namely pedestrians.
Then, motorists would be expected to be wary of everyone.
Would the authorities every consider stating this....
"It's crucial that MOTORISTS continue to work with us by practicing good road safety, and taking personal responsibility for their own safety and that of other road users."
?
I won't hold my breath.
People might say the driver could have held back, but I think the cyclists riding like that will before long be taking each other out regardless of any driver involvement.
They're the kinds of chopper riders in sportives you keep well away from.
A situation in which we need to remember the oft used: "most cyclists also drive cars" yep some people ride like they drive...the difference is in the reporting...all cyclists are expected to be considerate law abiding defensive and caring road users and a couple of dicks being dicks means all cyclists always use road space in a way that endangers all road users. How many times when going through a roundabout do you have to react to others drivers poor lane positioning and choice...pretty often and it isn't news worthy just dick driving by dick drivers and we all know that most drivers are responsible road users but cyclists are all entitled
Poor riding and poor driving.
Terrible cycling from at least two of those Australian riders, stupid choices initially to veer across the lanes and then awful control to slide out into the path of the car. However the driver, having identified that the cyclists may not have the best road sense and/or control, carries straight on into the situation without apparently seeing any need to slow or brake. His verbals seem to indicate he's not the biggest fan of cyclists, the fact that he has a dashcam makes me wonder if he's doing what camera cyclists are so often accused of, deliberately exacerbating the situation to get some footage. If I see someone driving dangerously, the first thing I do is try to get myself as far out of the potential crash zone as soon as possible, I don't just plough on and then complain when things get worse.
A colleague and myself came back from a conference once in a works car. Can't remember who was driving but we both reacted the same to 2 drivers racing on the A12 - immediately slow down and get the hell away from them !!
That riding in Oz is 'kin appalling.
The driving's not great either though. He should have hung back until they were clear of the roundabout before overtaking.
Some appalling roadmanship from a couple of those group riders ... zero awareness of the possibility of other road users, mind boggling really.
However I think also a good illustration of the sense of UK Highway Code guidance to motorists to not overtake cyclists on a roundabout. Frankly the driver did well to avoid collision, but - while in no way condoning the bad cycling - if the driver had stayed behind the group he'd have avoided the need to emergency stop, and saved his nerves as well as potentially his rear bumper if anyone had been close behind.
Aussie clip. 1) The driving is TERRIBLE. Why would you not just hang back a bit when there is a bunch of cyclists on a roundabout?
2) That being said, what is the guy in the white jersey doing around 6 seconds as he exits the roundabout??? Has he just accidentally unclipped and swerved to the right as a result?
3) If the driver had been hanging back, the cyclist wouldn't have been endangered.
https://twitter.com/SurreyRS/status/1763311034503164103
Why don't the police just ride their bikes on the roads like we normal cyclists do. It would be interesting to see how many close pass, careless driving, mobile phone use etc. prosecutions they could accumulate in a day.
I think if the police really wanted to crack down on dangerous drivers they'd do more cycling. It'd probably make drivers more cautious when they passed us normal members of the public too.
I wrote the above before the article about Surrey Police was in the blog.
What a strange coincidence.
Thats genuinely astonishing that they doled out 52x more tickets to cyclists vs motorists. Drivers in Ireland are even worse than they are over here as well. Genuinely mindboggling.
Institutionally anti-cycling
It's hardly surprising that when there is low enforcement of traffic rules, then driving standards will be low.
Although it is mystifying that this is the condition the police are hapopy with, since the traffic police will have to attend road deaths. However despite your allegation that drivers in Ireland are worse than the UK, both countries only have 2.9 road deaths per 100,000 people per year. Perhaps because the roads are relatively empty, so bad driving may happen sufifciently far from other drivers.
( for context Norway 2, Germany 3.7, France 5, USA 12.9)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death...
USA 12.9? That's pretty grim.
yes, 5x the UK population, 25x the number of road deaths.
I think they have to keep them high so that gun deaths don't overtake them. road deaths circa 40k p.a. gun deaths (excluding suicides) circa 20k p.a.
UK approx 1800 road deaths and approx 600 homicides. (remember this when Americans state that London is dangerous with unchecked knife crime)
Some obvious reasons:
That doesn't sound any different to here, in fact slightly more stringent, in the UK there is no requirement for any classroom time, there is no minimum amount of practice before you take your test, and you don't have to spend a single hour driving with an instructor if you don't want to, any adult age 21+ who has held a driving licence for three years can supervise.
2.2 million cars registered on Ireland's roads in 2021 vs 33 million in the UK.
Population: 5 million vs 67 million.
Roads: 53 million vs 262 million km.
2022 casualty stats - killed & seriously injured: 155 & 1,424 vs 1,695 & 28,000.
Very roughly, the figures for UK are generally 10x those of Ireland except 5x the km of roads and 19x the SI casualties.
Dear Mr Policeman - as a cyclist, I am not responsible for the actions of motorists on the road. I'm not even responsible for the actions of other cyclists on the road - thx, Brooksby.
You still bear some responsibility for other road users' safety, since you are sharing the road with them and your actions will affect them.
The onus is on those that bring the real danger onto the streets. Cars are 110 times more dangerous than bikes, and that's before any offense has been committed. Do drivers get 110 times more tickets, fines, prosecutions, convictions? Article suggests otherwise.
Yeah, of course. I could absolutely kill a driver by shunting into their solid metal box...
The statement was over actions not general safety. The force behind a cyclist means that the risk of KSI of other road users is significantly lower than that of a +1.5t motorised vehicle.
We do have a duty to ensure our own actions are within the remit of the law but the actions of potentially millions of drivers on a daily basis fall well short of that remit, and go unpunished. That has lead to an endemic level of complacency and entitlement among even the most courteous of drivers, which in turn puts more vulnerable road users in danger.
The statement was this: "It's crucial that cyclists continue to work with us by practicing good road safety, and taking personal responsibility for their own safety and that of other road users."
I am not sure how you can find faul with it or with what I wrote.
Must... resist... must... resis...
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