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Astana pro shows off some of the worst road rash we've seen; "Hardest day of racing of my life": Giro d'Italia peloton unimpressed by miserable stage 10 (+ S11 updates); Soudal Quick-Step lose FOUR more riders to Covid positives + more on the live blog

The sun's out, the Giro's on, summer's on its way... this is what we suffered those long dark winter months for! Without wishing to bring the mood down too much, Dan Alexander is back for your Wednesday live blog...

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17 May 2023, 13:46
Astana pro shows off some of the worst road rash we've seen

This one will stir up bad memories for some of you I'm sure, not least that grim unable to sleep midnight discomfort as you try desperately to awkwardly lie on anything but your stinging, bruised body...

 As for the shower... can't tell you how relieved I am to have not *touch wood* fallen off of late...

Syrista was one of many riders to fall on yesterday's first stage of the 4 Jours de Dunkerque and sadly, but probably quite sensibly did not start today's second stage. We'll leave the comparisons to a certain round-ball sport's athletes to the replies...

17 May 2023, 16:02
Comment of the day

Or perhaps not to not ride naked...

17 May 2023, 15:49
The Giro just avoids Italy’s deadly floods – but cycling is now feeling impact of climate change
17 May 2023, 15:20
Pascal Ackermann wins Giro d'Italia stage 11, Mark Cavendish posts best result yet in third

Just for a second or two it looked like it might be Cav's first win of the Giro, then came the power of stage winner Pascal Ackermann and Jonathan Milan...

The German seemed pretty confident he'd won it, perhaps a smidge too confident seeing how tight that finish was, although I'm sure few would begrudge the UAE sprinter a win after a few tough years...

2023 Giro d'Italia stage 11 photo finish (GCN/Eurosport)
2023 Giro d'Italia stage 11 photo finish

 And yes, you can tell me that winning the stage is all that matters, but Milan's performance was even more impressive than the winner's, the Italian launching a track-honed 400m sprint from well back, passing multiple riders in an extraordinary display of strengh. Of course positioning matters too, but the Bahrain big man has attracted some enviable comparisons after that...

17 May 2023, 14:23
Tao Geoghegan Hart out of Giro d’Italia after shocking crash which also brought down Geraint Thomas and PrimoĆŸ Roglič
17 May 2023, 12:56
Should Remco head to the Tour de France? Philippe Gilbert thinks not, while Patrick Lefevere says it's too soon to discuss
Remco Evenepoel (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

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Now three days on from Remco Evenepoel's shock abandon from the Giro d'Italia, the talk has already turned to where the world champion might appear next, and if a Tour de France debut or Vuelta defence could now be on the cards.

One former rider who does not think his compatriot should go to the Tour is Philippe Gilbert who believes a defence of his rainbow jersey in Scotland in August would be the wiser move.

"Remco should not go to the Tour de France," he said. "I would restart at the Tour of Belgium [on June 14] and the Belgian time trial championship [June 22]. I would then go two or three weeks in altitude to prepare the second part of the season. I would start again at the Tour de Wallonie [July 22] which is the best preparation for San Sebastian [July 29] – and the ideal preparation for the World Championships.

2023 Giro Stage 1 Remco Evenepoel - 2 (1)

> Check out Remco Evenepoel’s Specialized S-Works Shiv TT

"We know that he wants to double. He wants to win the time trial [world championship], we know that is his big goal. I was in the room with him when he finished second in England [Yorkshire 2019]. It was a big disappointment for him. Being a time trial world champion is very important for him. He could double with the road race with the right preparation."

One man who doesn't want to speculate on the remainder of Remco's season is Patrick Lefevere, the team's boss saying he is "not going to talk" about the Tour or the Vuelta.

"Once he has recovered and once he has digested his disappointment, we'll sit down around a table and draw up a programme," Lefevere said. "The Tour team has not been decided yet, except for a few names. The whole team around Remco is currently still at the Giro. He'll recover first and then we'll sit down together quietly, with Remco's father too. If Remco calls and says, 'I absolutely want to go to the Tour,' then it's something else. But he's not going to do that."

17 May 2023, 12:47
"You know a cycle lane's too narrow when the road markers look more like a part-folded Brompton"

And not even a ÂŁ25,000 Brompton either...

> Would you spend ÂŁ25,000 on a secondhand Brompton? 

17 May 2023, 11:02
More than just the Giro as the RĂĄs Tailteann gets underway

BIG day for Irish bike racing... the 70th anniversary RĂĄs is go...

Last month Ryan spoke to race director Gerard Campbell on keeping Ireland's biggest race alive, 'difficult second album syndrome', and why some races just mean more. Check out the podcast episode here...

If you prefer to read your news, or just need to keep things on the sly at your desk, here's Ryan's feature on last year's edition...

> "It's like the world championship for Irish riders": Iconic RĂĄs Tailteann stage race makes triumphant return

17 May 2023, 10:52
From the mailbag: An alternative view on the Department for Transport's longer lorries plan

Last week we brought you the news of the DfT's imminent plan for longer lorries on the UK's roads. Cycling UK criticised the plan saying it would see cyclists and pedestrians travel near "longer and more hazardous lorries". Here's an email from a road.cc reader to add another view to the discussion...

I'm a keen cyclist and also a C+E driver [category of HGV licence] so I sort of know both sides of the story. I read your piece about the longer trailers with interest but also disappointed at the lack of understanding.

These trailers have been on trial for over 11 years now. Because of their length they will almost exclusively be used for 'trunking' operations. That is long distance between logistics hubs and industrial estates using mainly motorways and trunk roads.

Greggs will not be using them to deliver to local stores. It's very unlikely they will ever visit areas with a lot of cyclists or pedestrians. Surely anything that reduces traffic numbers and emissions is a good thing if done safely?

17 May 2023, 10:14
Oxfordshire County Council adapts road closed signs to show when cyclists can still access route

There's more to life than 'cyclists dismount' signs...

17 May 2023, 09:32
DNS list grows to eight as Trek-Segafredo and EF Education-EasyPost lose riders
2023 Giro d'Italia stage 10 (RCS)

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Two more riders who won't start today's stage are Natnael Tesfatsion and Jonathan Caicedo. Trek-Segafredo said Tesfatsion had woken up with flu symptoms, while Caicedo has a "non-COVID viral illness".

17 May 2023, 08:03
Two more riders abandon with Covid: Andrea Vendrame and Stefano Gandin leave the race
Giro 2023 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

We're up to six confirmed Covid abandons at the Giro so far this morning, AG2R Citroën and Team Corratec - Selle Italia confirming that Andrea Vendrame and Stefano Gandin will leave the race ahead of stage 11...

Elsewhere on the illness/injury front, it remains to be seen if Warren Barguil can start today, the Frenchman caught up in a crash yesterday, his team saying they will "see according to the evolution of the pain during the night".

> Giro d'Italia crash chaos as furious Alberto Bettiol taken out by staff member running across road

With another couple of hours until the stage start in Camaiore, we wouldn't bet on those being the last abandons this morning. In total, 13 riders failed to start or finish yesterday's stage. We're already up to six ahead of today's, just 144 riders left for the second and third week and 32 abandons since last weekend.

17 May 2023, 08:28
"Hardest day of racing of my life": Giro d'Italia peloton unimpressed by stage 10 (and that's putting it politely)

NOT a fun day to be on the bike riding around Italy...

On Strava, British pro Charlie Quarterman left his review short and snappy... "S***", Frenchman Alexis Baudin calling it "a day in hell". His Wahoo measured a low temperature of 1°C atop the 1,500m high point of the stage. Descending that soaked to the core must have been grim... 

Team DSM's Marius Mayrhofer called it "the hardest day of racing of my life"...

"Today was a really extreme stage — really cold and quite bad vision throughout the day. It was the hardest day of racing of my life. We were quite active in the beginning and just missed out on the group," he said afterwards.

But, it's not all bad... it probably felt like mid-summer for Cork-born Eddie Dunbar...

17 May 2023, 07:45
Soudal Quick-Step lose FOUR more riders to Covid positives — down to three riders for rest of the Giro

Erm guys, we might have a problem...

 Following on from their team leader's Covid positive on Sunday, a further round of testing for the entire Soudal Quick-Step team and staff resulted in Jan Hirt, Josef Cerny, Louis Vervaeke and Mattia Cattaneo all testing positive.

By my very basic maths, that leaves them with THREE riders for the remaining week and a half... Davide Ballerini, Pieter Serry, Ilan Van Wilder... good luck, fellas...

Team doctor Toon Cruyt said: "After the positive of Remco on Sunday evening, we had two more riders who were feeling unwell on Monday morning, but were negative on antigen tests.

"Therefore a PCR test was carried out on the seven remaining riders, the results of which showed that the four guys were positive. We will continue to monitor and implement our testing protocol on the three riders and staff that remain at the race."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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brooksby replied to Patrick9-32 | 1 year ago
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Patrick9-32 wrote:

quiff wrote:

Also, does that link not show that in fact the info is being published for both flu and covid?

It does show Covid data, that's good to see, I hadn't be able to find that information so I appreciate OnYerBike for sharing that link and take back what I said about the gov not publishing the data, they have just changed where it is stored. 

Basement, no stairs, no light, locked filing cabinet, 'Beware of the leopard'...

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Rich_cb replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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I did the enjoy the hand wringing on another thread recently about how people shouldn't say mean things about cyclists.

A certain Mr Pot was not very happy at all with some of the language being used by Mr Kettle.

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chrisonabike replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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Secret_squirrel wrote:

laugh  In your tory reactionary face Rich_CB

a) bit sad and b) not sure why you think this is some rebuttal to what rich_cb has posted?

I'm not convinced yet we should sweep covid under the carpet.  However many people of all political persuations want to do so - and not just those in public office (especially government) who themselves broke rules / used this to their own advantage, or contrarians who think this was a conspiracy.

I think it's fair to ask questions e.g.:
- What's the evidence the current strains are much worse / different from the existing collection of endemic viruses of this kind?  Why should this one get special treatment?  It seems there may be such evidence (others have posted some) but asking is reasonable.

- What can we do about it?  If there genuinely is nothing we can usefully do then you need to explain the point of collecting numbers.  Again I'm not yet persuaded there is nothing we can do and that we should "let nature take its course" (even now).  It's a question though and reasonable to ask about evidence of risk / effectiveness for interventions plus cost / benefit.

Of course the last question is about political choices.  Beyond just the medical effects of virus and andy vaccine / treatment e.g. the effect of choices on mental health / health service / economy / society...

* The evidence we know now - not "I knew x before everyone else did so you're all stupid".

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

- What can we do about it?  If there genuinely is nothing we can usefully do then you need to explain the point of collecting numbers.  Again I'm not yet persuaded there is nothing we can do and that we should "let nature take its course" (even now).  It's a question though and reasonable to ask about evidence of risk / effectiveness for interventions plus cost / benefit.

I disagree about that. Even if there's nothing we can do about an issue today, there's value in collecting numbers to see how big a problem it is and how much energy we should put into trying to find solutions. When you don't have numbers, it allows politicians to deny that the issue even exists (c.f. AIDS epidemic).

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

I disagree about that. Even if there's nothing we can do about an issue today, there's value in collecting numbers to see how big a problem it is and how much energy we should put into trying to find solutions. When you don't have numbers, it allows politicians to deny that the issue even exists (c.f. AIDS epidemic).

Not quite sure how strong the link is between politicians caring and size of numbers - unless they're expressed in currency or (positive) voters...

For this one, unlike AIDS (and lots of fairly common yet neglected conditions) it is very salient for most people.  And it seems we are recording the numbers - which I agree is a good thing - if presented with what we've determined to be "like conditions".

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Rich_cb replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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Argues for COVID and Influenza to be treated the same.

Link shows COVID and Influenza being treated the same.

Secret_squirrel: In your face!

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Roulereo replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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Supporting a bedwetter is a win for you? Ok then

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Rich_cb replied to Surreyrider | 1 year ago
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That's what I was referring to, the daily updates and associated media hysteria.

COVID should be treated just like other endemic viruses.

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Roulereo replied to Rich_cb | 1 year ago
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Burn the witch! Begone Rich_cb and your conspiracy theories which are now just uncomfortable truths. 

Surely we can ban your misinformation? 

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matthewn5 replied to Rich_cb | 1 year ago
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It's really not 'just another endemic respiratory virus'. Covid-19 has whole body effects, notably on the brain and heart, that we don't yet fully understand. It kills about 3 times as many infected people as influenza does worldwide and in the UK. Repeat infections have cumulative effects that are bad.

I want to get on with my life just like anyone else, but pretending a problem doesn't exist, or that its not as bad as it is, is just 'copium'.

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Rich_cb replied to matthewn5 | 1 year ago
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You can't use data from 2020 when COVID was an entirely novel virus coming into contact with an entirely naĂŻve population to justify actions in 2023 when COVID is an endemic virus that the vast majority of the population have already been exposed to.

The morbidity and mortality burden is dramatically different. COVID in 2023 is not much different to other endemic respiratory viruses in those terms.

As others have pointed out, post viral inflammation is not a phenomenon unique to COVID, that we should see high rates of this after a novel virus with rapid spread is not unexpected.

Influenza barely gets any media coverage at all unless an outbreak is particularly bad despite 10s of thousands of deaths annually. COVID should be treated in exactly the same way.

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Roulereo replied to Patrick9-32 | 1 year ago
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Is it time for your next booster? 

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ktache replied to Patrick9-32 | 1 year ago
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Isn't "being a bit bored with it now" adequate protection?

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