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Those pesky cyclists, always exceeding urban speed limits… oh wait! 20mph camera catches over 23,000 speeding drivers; Ford unveiled as official RideLondon partner; 71% of Dubliners support more bike lanes; Bardet abandons Giro + more on the live blog

It’s (finally) Friday, and Ryan Mallon and Jack Sexty are here to take you into the weekend with the final live blog of the week…

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20 May 2022, 16:33
From the archives: Britain’s shortest cycle lane?

As we head into the weekend, let’s take a trip down memory lane… down an extremely short cycle lane in fact, unveiled on the York Road in Leeds way back in 2001.

Ah, 2001… Blair and New Labour were still riding high, Beckham was single-handedly dragging England to the World Cup, and a certain Texan with a heart-warming story was on his way to a third straight Tour de France title.

And Leeds, apparently, was aiming for the title of ‘UK’s shortest bike lane’.

I really enjoy how it drops straight into a puddle – purely, I imagine, for the added entertainment value…

Now that’s what I call infrastructure.

20 May 2022, 16:04
“Drivers think that speed limits only apply to cyclists”: 20mph speed camera reaction

This morning’s story, about the thousand drivers a day breaking a new 20mph speed limit in Plymouth (despite the clear and obvious evidence that only cyclists speed through towns and cities), got quite a few of you talking in the comments.

Here are some of your thoughts:

One day it may dawn on drivers that it is the appalling standard of driving that is causing speed limits to be continually lowered.

The same with ever-increasing use of double white lines as numerous motorists demonstrate that they are incapable of judging how to overtake safely when it was previously allowed. Most traffic restrictions that councils and the HA bring in are evidence based (if only they'd apply some evidence to their approaches to cycle lane design).

The astonishment at 1,100 drivers exceeding the 20mph speed limit is hardly warranted; anywhere in the UK would get the same result.  Drivers think that speed limits only apply to cyclists.

I've managed to retrain myself to drive at 20mph where those limits apply, and frequently find myself being tailgated and overtaken. Some of the roads with 20mph limits may be safe to drive at 30mph, but the speed limit is the speed limit. Some of the roads with the new 20mph limit definitely need it.

Twice recently I have experienced road rage for driving at the 30mph limit. In the first instance the guy drove the wrong side of a roundabout to overtake and in the second the guy roared past while giving me the bird only to pull in at a burger place about 300 metres further on!

But what about that cyclist I saw once ride on a pavement? Have you considered how that renders all drivers faultless in all situations?

I've found that, when I do drive (infrequently and in someone else's vehicle, as I don't own a car anymore) I am a lot more conscious of speed limits and road rules, compared to before I took up cycling. I think being a vulnerable road user makes one even more aware of why road rules need to be followed; I reckon all drivers should have a 'cycling experience' test before completing their practical driving test!

Ah yes, "bells & reflectors" - two of the 'Fatal Four' right there...

And just to get this straight in my own head – cyclists apparently both break urban speed limits AND constantly hold drivers up? 

Driver: Sees you from far enough away to slow down, wind down the window and work out what they are going to yell at you.

Driver: I can't see you.

20 May 2022, 15:28
Heartbreak for the break as Démare seals Giro hat-trick

Turns out I spoke too soon.

It had all looked so rosy for the leading quartet with 35 kilometres to go on stage 13 of the Giro d’Italia.

At that point Julius Van den Berg, Pascal Eenkhoorn, Mirco Maestri and Nicolas Prodhomme had three minutes and 40 seconds on the slow-awakening peloton, who looked to have ceded one of the final opportunities for the sprinters before Verona.

With twenty kilometres to go, the gap to the peloton was two and a half minutes; by ten to go, it was still over a minute.

Hesitation, however, is the thief of breakaway success, and so it proved again in Cuneo, as the front four were swallowed up in the final kilometre, when for so long the day looked within their grasp.

One rider who hasn’t hesitated at this Giro is Arnaud Démare; the Frenchman once again showing his strength on the slight rise to the line, to take his third stage of the 2022 Giro and the eighth of his career.

A fast-finishing Phil Bauhaus came in second to the flying maglia ciclamino, while Mark Cavendish – who briefly looked like he had the beating of Démare before running out of legs – rounded off the podium.

For what could have been a dull transitional week on the Giro, the last four days have seen relentless, restless racing, a fitting prelude to the race’s mountainous denouement, which starts in earnest this weekend.

The sprinters, meanwhile, have only one more chance to make their mark on the race, next week in Treviso (I’ll be there too, just to make you jealous) – which perhaps explains the panic that arose within the hitherto snoozing peloton this afternoon.

20 May 2022, 14:33
“Doing 100 mile with a backpack on will be something new”: RideLondon organisers blasted again for not including bag drop

The RideLondon organisers can’t catch a break, can they?

(Quite like the Giro peloton today… Although I probably shouldn’t speak too soon on that.)

After doing their best to recover from some self-inflicted PR disasters this week, from safety cars to time pauses and car sponsorship deals, the organisers have received yet more flak this morning – for not including a bag drop for entrants.

The bag drop fiasco appears to be something of a long-held grievance for entrants travelling to RideLondon this year:

It never ends, does it?

20 May 2022, 14:12
Scores on the Whoop: Recovery key to Oldani’s breakaway success

As you may have noticed throughout GCN’s coverage of the Giro, fitness and recovery tracker Whoop has been keeping tabs on the riders as they take on the stresses and strains of a three-week grand tour.

Whoop’s stats, which chronicle a rider’s sleep performance and how much strain they are under during a stage, give a revealing insight into that mysterious element of grand tour success: recovery.

It’s one thing being ready for a one-day classic, where you can leave everything on the road, it’s another being able to repeat the feat day after day during a stage race.

For instance, Whoop’s data for Stefano Oldani, the winner of yesterday’s stage from the break into Genova, shows that it wasn’t just his fast finish that enabled the Alpecin-Fenix rider to take his first pro victory ahead of Lorenzo Rota and Gijs Leemreize.

As you can see below, Oldani’s ability to recover during the Giro’s surprisingly fast and stressful second week teed him up perfectly for his shot at glory in his home tour (though his sleep, understandably, took a bit of a hit following his win).

Stage 12 Stefano Oldani Cyclist Dashboard Sleep _ Recovery

Oldani’s teammate and breakaway partner, Mathieu van der Poel, was in dire need of Monday’s rest day, according to Whoop’s data, but has recovered well as he aims for a second stage win in the next day or two.

Stage 12 MVPD Cyclist Dashboard Sleep _ Recovery

Although road racing - as we all know - is never an exact science, and the sprinters’ carefully tuned recovery could come to naught if the peloton doesn’t catch the breakaway today…

20 May 2022, 13:11
Romain Bardet abandons Giro d’Italia with stomach bug

Sad news for fans of panache and boyish looks everywhere, as Team DSM confirms that Romain Bardet has abandoned the Giro d’Italia during today’s stage 13 between Samremo and Cuneo.

Bardet had looked in fantastic form throughout the Giro (even combining an impressive showing on Blockhaus with lead out duties two days ago), and this morning sat in fourth place on the GC, trailing pink jersey Juan Pedro López by 14 seconds, and only two seconds behind João Almeida and Richard Carapaz, arguably the Frenchman’s biggest rivals for the overall win.

With the general classification so delicately poised, many onlookers were intrigued to see how Bardet, who last stood on the final podium of a grand tour at the 2017 Tour de France, would fare in the Giro’s final week after such a strong start to the race.

Unfortunately, a stomach bug has scuppered the 31-year-old’s Italian renaissance, and despite struggling through yesterday’s stage while sick, Bardet was forced to pull the plug on the road to Cuneo, disappointing expectant cycling fans (and former teammates) everywhere:

Romain Bardet abandons Giro (GCN)

 Although I do agree with Katy that the Bardet boke replay was a tad unnecessary…

20 May 2022, 11:51
The stupidest of all the stupid s*it people say about cycling?

The Twitter account 'Stupid shit people say on Facebook about cycling' regularly keeps us entertained and horrified all at once, and this one might just top the lot so far. Plenty of cyclists have chipped in with their opinion on this gem already... 

Of course, whoever made this comment on Facebook does have some stiff competition in the form of the admin of a certain farming advocacy page... 

20 May 2022, 11:12
Sagan shredding on the trails

Well he's actually just posing in a snap with Daniel Oss here, but we assume that's what happened next. Wonder if Peter got the pressure washer out after his ride? 

20 May 2022, 10:40
Cyclist riding 1,800 miles to site of Stalag IV-B prisoner-of-war camp, 78 years after his father was taken there
d-day normandy to stalag trip - via Richard Stoodley on justgiving

On 5th June 1944, Richard Stoodley's father Lance Corporal Robert ‘Bob’ Stoodley, then 20, was one of four who took off from RAF Harwell near Didcot bound for Normandy. After successfully completing their D-Day mission, Corporal Stoodley was captured and taken on a brutal 23-day train journey to Stalag IV-B, one of the largest prisoner-of-war camps in Germany during WW2. 

Thankfully Corporal Stoodley escaped in 1945, and 78 years later it's his journey to the camp that son Richard will recreate by bike, starting on 5th June of course. Richard plans to ride around 90 miles a day, on a route "that will take in as much of the [original] route as possible even though some can only be the best estimation", arriving on the former site of Stalag IV-B 21 days after departing Normandy. 

Unfortunately Stoodley Sr. passed away last year, with Richard adding: "I am doing this for myself but also for my Dad who turned 97 in May 2021 but unfortunately left us 3 months later in August that year. We spent hours talking about the trip and planned so much of it together." 

Over £3,000 has already been raised for the Support Our PARAS charity - you can find out more and donate on Richard's JustGiving page here

20 May 2022, 09:50
Just Egan Bernal, out for a spin, buying some plants…

When he’s not shopping at Dobbies (other garden centres are available), the 2019 Tour de France winner is remaining tight-lipped about a possible return to racing in July or August. Watch this space…

20 May 2022, 09:32
Cyclist in Dublin (licensed CC BY 2.0 on Flickr by Teyvan Petttinger)
Alive, alive, oh: 71 percent of Dubliners support more cycling infrastructure

In Dublin’s fair city, where the bike lanes aren’t too pretty…

Molly Malone will hopefully be able to wheel her wheelbarrow more safely through Dublin’s broad and narrow streets in the future (okay, I’ll stop now), as a recent survey has found that 71 percent of the city’s residents are in favour of the creation of more dedicated cycle lanes.

The 2021 Walking and Cycling Index, produced by sustainable transport charity Sustrans and published during this year’s Bike Week, which runs until Sunday and features 600 events across Ireland, found that 25 percent of Dubliners cycle at least five days a week.

However, only 18 percent of women, compared to 33 percent of men, said they cycled regularly in the city.

The survey of over 1,100 residents also concluded that people would feel more inclined to cycle, walk or wheel their way around Dublin if the city’s existing active travel infrastructure was improved.

71 percent said they would support an increase in dedicated cycling infrastructure, while 76 percent would support the installation of more road crossings with shorter waiting times.

84 percent were also in favour of ’20-minute neighbourhoods’, where essential daily services and shops would be within easy walking distance.

Ireland’s Transport Minister Eamon Ryan said the results of the survey were “packed with good news” as they demonstrated that cycling and walking was an important part of life in Dublin.

“Crucially, however, this report is also helping us build a picture of what people need, gaps in infrastructure and how we can improve things further so that we can make it more attractive for even more people to choose walking, wheeling and cycling in years to come,” Ryan said.

20 May 2022, 09:13
RideLondon announces... one of the world's biggest car manufacturers as presenting partner
ford park the car initiative - via Ford

It's been a busy week for the people behind RideLondon Essex, with a 22mph speed limit hastily canned and news that riders' times will be paused at feed stops ahead of the event next Sunday. Now, the sportive's organisers have announced that car giant Ford will be a major partner. 

> Has Zwift had its day? Plus RideLondon's U-turn on on the road.cc Podcast
> RideLondon: rider times will be paused at feed stations
> RideLondon safety car WON'T set 22mph speed limit

To be fair, Ford is pushing its 'Park the Car' initiative (noted on Tuesday's live blog) as part of the partnership, encouraging people to ditch the car and cycle or walk if the journey is under three miles.

For the pro event, the race director will also drive a Ford Kuga PHEV in the convoy, and the Ford Mustang Mach-E will be "the Official Electric Vehicle as part of the London 2022 RideLondon Classique support fleet."

This is all well and good, but then again Graham on Twitter may have a point... 

20 May 2022, 08:39
Those pesky cyclists, always exceeding urban speed limits… oh wait

A couple of days ago on the blog, you may recall, we featured some sage (and misspelled) road safety guidance from Merseyside Police, advising people on bikes to “cycle like you drive”.

According to the tweet (which, remarkably, remains up two days on – who had that in the pool?), “many cyclists can exceed urban speed limits”.

So, when riding in towns and cities, cyclists should adopt the behaviour and attitude of those famously law-abiding, careful and patient road users, motorists.

Oh, wait…

1,100 in the first day?! Must have been cyclists driving all those cars…

Of course, as with anything pedalling broadcaster Jezza Vine touches, the whataboutery merchants were soon out in force:

But remember folks, cycle like you drive... 

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Awavey replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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depends what his analysis is, and certainly stats to back it up could be an interesting angle, and the overall message he wants to get across.

Theres definitely a case that in some situations and weve seen this on NMOTD occasionally riders can be the authors of their own downfalls. I've certainly seen people crash their bikes completely self inflicted because they didnt read the conditions or were too confident in their abilities, but that's the human condition it's not particularly a cyclist thing.

But if the video is just hey admit you arent all perfect cyclists all the time, I'd not be too unhappy with that.

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bobrayner | 2 years ago
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The lights & reflectors & bell point is one of those things which varies across borders, which is problematic as it's so easy for bikes to be sold across borders.

Maybe less problematic for the road.cc demographic because it rarely seems to be enforced and most riders exercise common sense, but many cities nowadays seems to be full of people on 10-year-old MTBs weaving through traffic after dark to deliver kebabs, with no lights/reflectors, and I worry that sooner or later they'll get squashed by a van driver who isn't paying enough attention.

A few years ago I bought a nice bike from a German brand via a French retailer, and it came with the most catastrophically awful front light (yes, worse than those old Ever Readies); I think it had a 0.0001W LED powered by a CR2032. I assume it was just for some compliance checkbox in France or Germany, and every customer would either remove it or replace it with their own preferred light.

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peted76 | 2 years ago
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I was thinking about the whole bell and reflectors thing on my way home the other day after yet another giant car passed me within a foot, what are the current rules..  (have they changed recently?) and whatever those rules are, are there instances which anyone is aware of where insurers have not agreed liability if those rules are not adheared to?

I don't have reflectors on my bike and I'm sure I don't have a bell.

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brooksby replied to peted76 | 2 years ago
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https://www.cyclinguk.org/lighting-regulations

Red rear reflector and amber pedal reflectors are required.

I think a bike has to be sold with a bell, but there's no obligation to keep it on the bike once it is your bike...

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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The last 2 bikes I had did not come with a rear reflector although they both offered me a bell !

I had to find a reflector to fit on the rear rack.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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My bikes have both got racks, and both have bolted-on German-made rear lights which also act as reflectors.

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OnYerBike replied to peted76 | 2 years ago
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There is no legal requirement to have a bell on a bike. There is a requirement to have a red rear and amber pedal reflectors after dark.

Oddly there is a requirement for all new bikes sold to be fitted with bells and reflectors including a white front reflector, but those can be removed immediately. 

I believe there have been cases where insurers have refused or reduced payouts as a result of "contributory negligence" but I think it's well established that there does have to be a clear link between the "negligence" and the incident/injury occuring (or the degree of the injury/damage). So if you're cycling at night without any lights or reflectives and someone drives into you, then there might be some contributory negligence. But if somone drives into the back of you and you had forgotten your front light (but still had rear lights and reflectors) then I wouldn't have thought there would be a sucessful argument for contributory negligence. Note that "negligence" does not only refer to specific legal requirements, but can also apply to Highway Code guidance. Relevant post here: https://www.cyclinguk.org/cycle/contributory-negligence 

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chrisonabike replied to OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

There is no legal requirement to have a bell on a bike. There is a requirement to have a red rear and amber pedal reflectors after dark.

I think the rules are trying to be helpful but are a mess.  I'm breaking the law at night on my recumbent because even if I had pedal reflectors they would not be visible from the rear which I believe is required (Cycling UK link to legislation and have a good summary).  Quite apart from the fact that I'm in the way they'd be oriented vertically.

I'm a fan of dynamo lights and luckily they're legit - even if they've gone out while stopped at lights.  Most come with a "standlight" feature so at least the back should stay lit for a couple of minutes.  I think as we move towards mass cycling we'll see these come in for most "transport" bikes.  When you buy a car you don't then buy separate lights (or indeed a lock, mudguards...)

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IanGlasgow replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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It's unlikely that dynamos will become common on "transport" bikes because they add too much to the cost.
My hybrid/city bike came with most of the features you'd want for a "transport" bike - hub gears, belt drive, hydraulic discs, mudguards... - and I added a rack fairly cheaply.
But upgrading to a dynamo is expensive. My front hub failed after some water ingress; a like for like Shimano replacement is £30, a Shimano dynamo (aboutt he cheapest option) is around £150 (plus about the same again for lights). Better quality dynamos are more expensive. I went with a Son28 - total cost including lights and wheelbuilding was over £500 - that's almost 50% on top of the cost of the bike and it pretty much doubles the cost of most commuter hybrids.

 

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chrisonabike replied to IanGlasgow | 2 years ago
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Just had a look on DutchBikeBits: Busch und Muller secula plus LED rear light €19.36 and AXA HR-Traction Dynamo €26.02.

So you just need to pay a few quid to get those shipped here... oh, no, can't do that any more... (To be specific in this case because the seller's cancelled the UK for cancelling Europe).

Of course Decathlon have bikes - that you and I probably wouldn't choose, but are at least "complete" with rack, mudguards and dynamo lights - for 250 quid right now.

It's the market e.g. volume of demand plus what people have been lead to expect.  Over the water lots of "non-cyclists" are buying perfectly adequate transport bikes for cheaper money.  That's because the largest segment of the market is "need a bike to make regular casual trips from a to b". Although as in any endeavour as fashions change what people are sold will change too e.g. now in the Netherlands (windy but mostly flat) people are buying lots of eBikes.

I totally agree that the road conditions / the culture etc. in the UK tend to favour the cyclists and bikes we get e.g. bikes for roadies (or other "serious about my hobby" types), faster bikes for "defensive" commuting or cheap mountain-lookin'-bikes.

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chrisonabike replied to IanGlasgow | 2 years ago
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You and I likely will still be outliers even if mass cycling occurs in the UK.  If everyone doesn't got down the ebike or escooter route most will get cheaper but adequate "pootlers" for their 1-3 mile trips.  Dynamos and lights certainly add cost but the kit that you've got is definitely not "entry level".

Personally I think having lights on the bike all the time and avoiding batteries is both more convenient and better for the environment.  For my own bikes I inherited a SON on the recumbent, got someone to build me a Shimano one in a wheel for the Dawes Galaxy and bought another wheel with a Sturmey Archer X-FDD (great hub - anchor-heavy but a no-maintenance solution) in an effort to make another frame into a "dutch bike".

When I need to replace the Dawes (getting bust now) if I get an "around town" bike I'd probably either go full Dutch or get something like yours but with a bottle dynamo.  I believe they're perfectly adequate these days as long as you're not doing countryside all-nighters.  (For which see the recumbent).

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Backladder replied to IanGlasgow | 2 years ago
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As with anything, the price would come down massively if they were built in large numbers, we're just not at the tipping point yet.

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OnYerBike replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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Yeah, I agree the regulations are probably well intended but poorly implemented. As noted in the Cycling UK article you link, the vast majority of the lights on the market today have not been formally tested and marked to meet BS6102/3 and so are not officially "approved" lights. Although dynamo lights are often StVZO approved which I believe would then be approved as "an equivalent EC standard".

That said, I've never heard of anyone getting stopped by the police, let alone charged with an offence, for failing to meet every last letter of the law so long as you generally make yourself visible (e.g. as a minimum a good white front light and a good red rear light).

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Skittler replied to OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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How does one meet the "MUST" requirement of the Highway Code for amber pedal reflectors at night when no road bike pedals (except basic flats) ever include reflectors?

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Hirsute replied to Skittler | 2 years ago
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You can get flat one side/ mtb cleat the other which take reflectors (ktache or sriracha might have these).
I just have retro reflective ankle bands which are 360 and more effective plus a minimum of 3 rear lights.

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chrisonabike replied to Skittler | 2 years ago
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See my comment below about physical impossibility.  Which would presumably also apply to many handcyclists.  I really doubt it'll ever matter in my case (or if it does it's too late for me) but I'd briefly considered some dummy legal pedals stuck over the back wheel...

I agree that having something moving relative to the bike is a help in drawing a driver's visual attention.  Maybe the UCI could atone for their sin in banning recumbents by assisting with a definition of what bikes this rule should have to apply to...

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Awavey replied to Skittler | 2 years ago
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OnYerBike replied to Skittler | 2 years ago
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You can get SPD-SL compatible reflectors e.g. https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pedals-cleats/shimano-105-spdsl-pd5800-smpd6...

You can get some fairly decent pedals with integrated reflectors, such as the PD-T8000 Awavey has linked to.

Or you accept that if you ride after dark without amber pedal reflectors you are breaking the letter of the law, and you can decide for yourself if you are comfortable with that or not.

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mdavidford replied to Skittler | 2 years ago
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Skittler wrote:

How does one meet the "MUST" requirement of the Highway Code for amber pedal reflectors at night when no road bike pedals (except basic flats) ever include reflectors?

Get home before sundown.

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giff77 replied to mdavidford | 2 years ago
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mdavidford wrote:

Skittler wrote:

How does one meet the "MUST" requirement of the Highway Code for amber pedal reflectors at night when no road bike pedals (except basic flats) ever include reflectors?

Get home before sundown.

to be fair he has a 30/60 minute window after sunset before lighting up time kicks in. 

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Sriracha replied to giff77 | 2 years ago
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giff77 wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

Skittler wrote:

How does one meet the "MUST" requirement of the Highway Code for amber pedal reflectors at night when no road bike pedals (except basic flats) ever include reflectors?

Get home before sundown.

to be fair he has a 30/60 minute window after sunset before lighting up time kicks in. 

I thought the law on bicycle lighting/reflectors applies between sunset and sunrise.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pedal-cycles-lighting/pedal-c...

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giff77 replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Yeah. It's a bit of a grey one. They say fitted. Not used. I left for work this morning at 4.30am. (30 min before sunrise) There was no need for using my lights. But I did simply out of habit as I use my lights every time I'm out as I simply don't trust the feckers behind the wheel of a car at any given time. Interestingly the other day it was so overcast at 2pm that there was a  greater need for lights than there was at 4.30 am 

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Sriracha replied to giff77 | 2 years ago
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giff77 wrote:

Yeah. It's a bit of a grey one. They say fitted. Not used.

Good luck arguing that one before the beak. The law says lights have to be fitted, clean, in working order, visible, ... and kept lit and unobscured between sunset and sunrise.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/24

Requirements about the use of front and rear position lamps, rear registration plate lamps, side marker lamps and end-outline marker lamps

24.—(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (5) and (9), no person shall–

(a)use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle which is in motion–

(i)between sunset and sunrise, or

(ii)in seriously reduced visibility between sunrise and sunset; or

(b)allow to remain at rest, or cause or permit to be allowed to remain at rest, on a road any vehicle between sunset and sunrise

unless every front position lamp, rear position lamp, rear registration plate lamp, side marker lamp and end-outline marker lamp with which the vehicle is required by these Regulations to be fitted is kept lit and unobscured.

(Which seems to imply that the rest of the time the only relaxation is regarding them being lit - so they'd still need to be fitted and in working order?)

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ktache replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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But we don't have rear registration plates, yet...

Let alone lamps to light them.

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Sriracha replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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ktache wrote:

But we don't have rear registration plates, yet...

Let alone lamps to light them.

...neither do the Regulations say that we do.

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giff77 replied to Skittler | 2 years ago
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You can get Shimano SPDs that include reflectors. You can also get clip on reflectors  for SPDs. There are some companies that sell reflective strips fo your pedals if you insist on cleats. 

I use the SPDs for commuting in the dark. My road shoes I've reflective tape on the heels so if caught out in dark I've something that shows movement. My tights and knee warmers also have reflective decals. All my bikes also have rear reflectors somewhere as well as tape on the guards.  A bit OTT but I don't give the b*****s any excuse  

The reflectors pretty much are a fail safe  if your lights fail and I think the police aren't too bothered as long as there's something reflective static and moving. Some solicitor may try to use the lack of them as contributory negligence in the event of a collision. 

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chrisonabike replied to peted76 | 2 years ago
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I know that insurance / civil matters are not the same as criminal.  The sad thing is the latter regularly seems to disregard the visual - or at least demand an impossibly high standard of proof that motorists have seen people.  "I didn't see them" should not be a defense for dangerous or careless.

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OldRidgeback | 2 years ago
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I've managed to retrain myself to drive at 20mph where those limits apply, and frequently find mysef being tailgated and overtaken. Some of the roads with 20mph limits may be safe to drive at 30mph, but the speed limit is the speed limit. Some of the roads with the new 20mph limit definitely need it.

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Kapelmuur replied to OldRidgeback | 2 years ago
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Twice recently I have experienced road rage for driving at the 30mph limit.   In the first instance the guy drove the wrong side of a roundabout to overtake and in the second the guy roared past while giving me the bird only to pull in at a burger place about 300 metres further on!

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Oldfatgit replied to OldRidgeback | 2 years ago
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If you *really* want to annoy other motorists ... When in your car, stick to temporary speed limits - either from gantry signs or road works when on motorways or dual carriageways.
The responses can be fanatical, especially if lanes are closed and they can't get by you.

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