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“We don’t want to live in a snitch society”: Mr Loophole takes aim at camera cyclists and Cycling Mikey (again); Clip of shocking Tour de France crash raises questions about concussion protocols; Jumbo-Visma’s Vuelta super team + more on the live blog

It’s Monday, and Ryan Mallon is back for another week of cycling news and views, and the occasional funny video, on the live blog

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21 August 2023, 08:08
Cycling Mikey
“We don’t want to live in a snitch society”: Mr Loophole takes aim at camera cyclists and Cycling Mikey’s focus on phone drivers (again)

Cycling Mikey sure gets around these days, doesn’t he?

At the weekend, the live blog season ticket holder was, once again, the star of an in-depth feature in one of the big national newspapers, as the Sunday Times asked, ‘What’s driving Cycling Mikey, Britain’s most hated cyclist?’

That headline… Yeesh.

Setting aside what Jeremy Vine (another live blog stalwart) described as an “iffy headline”, in the article the Times’ Nick Rufford accompanied Mikey on one of his rides seeking out phone using motorists, to ascertain whether he’s a “road safety hero or just a darned nuisance”.

Of course, despite Vine’s praise for the article and its rather balanced approach to its subject, Rufford’s piece is still inevitably peppered with some classic anti-cycling bingo phrases: the writer notes that Van Erp is viewed by some as a “self-righteous snooper”, while he and Vine are described as “helmet-cam warriors”, and those spotted by Mikey using their phones as “victims”.

Cycling Mikey gets accused of supporting Chelsea (credit - CyclingMikey YouTube)

> Driver caught using mobile phone launches foul-mouthed tirade at CyclingMikey — and accuses him of supporting Chelsea

An incident recounted in the article, in which Mikey reports an ambulance driver for using their phone, has also divided opinion on social media, as well as on the road.cc forum (an argument on the forum? Get out of here!).

However, it’s the inclusion of yet another live blog favourite, Mr Loophole himself, Nick Freeman, that has perhaps caused the biggest stir online.

Freeman, a lawyer who specialises in getting phone drivers off the hook, told the Sunday Times that the police appear to be “actively encouraging” activists like Cycling Mikey, arguing that the outcome will be even greater mistrust between cyclists and motorists.

“Using a mobile phone in a car is dangerous and it is right that it’s prohibited. But I don’t think we want to live in a snitch society. I’m not saying the public don’t have a role to play but, really, isn’t that the role of the police?” Freeman asked.

“It’s an industry now and in my view it’s wrong. And there’s no relevant legislation that properly deals with cyclists who cycle dangerously. So the law is all over the place.”

Nick Freeman - via youtube.PNG

> Mr Loophole applauds police action against "vigilante cyclists" filming law-breaking drivers

Freeman then argued that fixed traffic cameras are more than adequate to pick up law-breaking drivers.

He continued: “The police could say to cyclists, thank you very much for your help but we no longer need it. Please don’t do it.”

A lawyer who earned his nickname by getting law-breaking motorists off the hook on technicalities arguing against members of the public supplying additional evidence of this law breaking? Whatever next?!

“Cycling Mikey does a brilliant job,” wrote one. “But I am not impressed by Nick Freeman saying ‘I don’t think we want to live in a snitch society’; if we don’t report crime, our society will be a criminal free for all. ‘Snitches’ is prison talk and not helpful.”

Naturally, Van Erp disagreed with good ol’ Nick, arguing that with the dwindling number of traffic police to enforce road laws, camera cyclists are the best hope of deterring drivers.

“My goal is to give people the perception they might be caught,” he said. “It’s the certainty of detection that’s the best deterrent.”

Cycling Mikey, Jeremy Vine, and Mr Loophole all in the one live blog story? Do I win a road.cc medal or something now?

21 August 2023, 11:25
Carlos Rodriguez and Sepp Kuss Tour de France 2023 crash (Philippe Roesch)
Clip of shocking Tour de France crash that saw Carlos Rodríguez faceplant the road raises questions about cycling’s concussion protocols

A fan-made video from last month’s Tour de France, which captures the moment Ineos rider Carlos Rodríguez crashed heavily on the descent of the Ballon d’Alsace, taking down Sepp Kuss in the process, has prompted a social media debate this morning concerning cycling’s approach to its concussion protocols.

The harrowing crash, which took place on the first descent of the penultimate stage of this year’s Tour, in the Vosges mountains, saw Rodríguez – who was linked with a move away from the British team this winter, but now appears set to stay – lose control of his front wheel while riding behind the yellow jersey Jonas Vingegaard.

The 22-year-old then proceeds to skid along the road, face down, as Vingegaard’s Jumbo-Visma teammate Sepp Kuss attempts and fails to jump over the falling Ineos rider, flying over his handlebars in the process. Pello Bilbao, meanwhile, manages to, somehow, just about avoid riding straight into Rodríguez’ head.

In the clip, we can see a clearly shaken Rodríguez stagger to his feet, stumbling along the road, as riders stream past and teammate Omar Fraile waits with his bike.

As a badly bloodied and bruised Rodríguez continued racing after his fall on the descent, finishing 12th on the day, just 52 seconds behind stage winner Tadej Pogačar, and managing to retain his top five placing on GC, the worrying nature of his reaction to the crash, clearly shown on the fan’s video, has this morning raised questions about how Ineos and the Tour’s medical team responded to the 22-year-old’s physical state during the stage.

Carlos Rodriguez, Ineos Grenadiers, stage 20, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

“I don’t understand why the protocol was not activated for when they fall and get up like this. I also don’t understand how long the medical car took to get to him,” one Spanish Twitter user wrote. “It’s a miracle (no other word after watching this) that Carlos Rodríguez didn’t leave his face and all his teeth right there.”

“Where’s the concussion protocol when you need it?” asked David. “Someone staggering like that shouldn’t be put back on a bike.”

“Rodríguez not being able to walk in a straight line but allowed to continue riding,” Fabrizio noted.

> UCI publishes new concussion protocol as other sports face lawsuits from retired athletes

The debate around Rodríguez’ return to action after appearing to show signs of concussion will add further weight to the argument proffered by some that cycling continues to have a “concussion problem”.

In December 2020, the UCI published a new concussion protocol – which recommends that riders do not return to competition for at least a week after their symptoms have gone – following a warning from brain charity Headway that cycling is “lagging miles behind other sports” when it comes to dealing with sports-related concussion.

And last year, a study conducted at the University of Northampton found that four out of five competitive cyclists were unaware of the limitations of helmets when it comes to protecting them from concussion.

Earlier this year, Ineos Grenadiers did, however, act swiftly when one of their riders showed signs of concussion, withdrawing Tom Pidcock from the final stage of Tirreno-Adriatico following a nasty crash.

A few days later, the team issued a statement confirming that the Yorkshireman, who was continuously monitored by the team’s doctors after his crash, had been displaying symptoms of mild concussion, resulting in a prescribed period of rest, line with the British squad’s established concussion protocols, that caused him to miss Milan-San Remo and some cobbled classics.

> Why pro cycling needs to ditch its ‘hardness’ obsession

Of course, concussion remains a difficult issue in a sport where riders prepare for months for major targets like the Tour de France, where money, contracts, and UCI points are constantly on the line, and where riders can often be back on their bikes before a member of the medical team – tasked, in these instances, often to save a rider from themselves – can even reach them.

And, if some of the replies to today’s original tweet are anything to go by, it seems that riders remain unfairly burdened by the expectation that they’re the toughest of all athletes, and that they should just get up and get back on their bikes, regardless of how a crash had impacted them. Cycling’s concussion problem, it seems, tends to go hand in hand with its attitude problem, too.

21 August 2023, 16:03
Carlos Rodriguez, Ineos Grenadiers, stage 20, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Reader reaction: Cycling’s ‘bravado’ problem and why there is always a social media post, somewhere

Plenty of reaction to today’s live blog stories, including the fallout over the recently rediscovered clip of Carlos Rodríguez’s nasty crash on stage 20 of this year’s Tour de France and, most importantly, his walk back to the bike, which more closely resembled the staggered approach of some of the riders after a post-Tour session in a Parisien bar than it did the actions of an elite rider ready to rejoin a fast-moving bunch.

Carlos Rodriguez and Sepp Kuss Tour de France 2023 crash (Philippe Roesch)

“Sadly pro-cycling has a bravado problem,” Steve Fry wrote on Twitter in response to the harrowing clip. “The attitude is always this is a sport for hard men and women, but the riders need protection from themselves. Do better.”

“Certain brands romanticised that ‘hard’ image as well,” agreed Henry.

Can cycling’s concussion problem only be properly handled after we first assess the sport’s often masochistic view of itself?

Meanwhile, back in Cycling Mikey and Nick Freeman land, road.cc reader LeadenSkies offered their take on why it’s important to crack down on phone using motorists:

What I don't like is the fact that every time I dare to cycle on the road, I put my life in the hands of people who illegally play with their mobile phone whilst driving because they decide that posting on X or some other social media platform is more important than driving safely.

As others have already pointed out, they don’t just do this in stationery traffic, they do it while driving and the distraction caused by doing it lasts for 30 seconds plus afterwards and is impairment of a similar level to drink driving.

And finally, Steve K proved there’s a handy (and damning) social media post for every comment:

“This Nick Freeman bloke who doesn’t think cyclists should be video-ing other road users?  Is he in any way related to this Nick Freeman?”

Quelle surprise.

21 August 2023, 13:32
Juan Ayuso, 2023 Tour de Suisse (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Spanish sensation Juan Ayuso reveals he only has four days a year to eat whatever he wants – and that he always has scales nearby to weigh himself

While Carlos Rodríguez’s crash at the Tour de France – and his worrying stumble back to his bike – has cast some light on pro cycling’s continuing issues around concussion protocols and its obsession with ‘hardness’, a revealing interview with his fellow up-and-coming Spaniard, Juan Ayuso, has offered a revealing glimpse into another of the sport’s concerning obsessions: weight.

For a sport often decided, especially on its iconic mountain passes, to some degree anyway by the simple calculation of power to weight, it’s no surprise that cycling has long had an unhealthy obsession with the scales.

The enduring image of the skeleton-esque cyclist was exemplified, perhaps, by the sticklike, Tour de France-winning figures of Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome, but stretched back long before the Team Sky marginal gain era (remember Lance Armstrong boasting about pinching his rivals’ waists to see if they’d gained any additional winter weight, or Jan Ullrich’s constant struggle to shed the pounds as the Tour approached? Which he always, somehow, managed to achieve, of course).

And now, one of the so-called ‘new generation’ has revealed how much worrying about food, and the numbers on a scale, can dominate a pro cyclist’s life.

Juan Ayuso, 2023 Tour de Suisse (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Speaking to Spanish website Diario del Triatlón, UAE Team Emirates’ exciting prospect Juan Ayuso – who finished third overall as a teenager at last year’s Vuelta a España – explained that he only has “four days in which I can eat anything I want” throughout the entire year.

The 20-year-old, who at 1.84m tall weighs just 63kg at race weight (for comparison, five-time Tour winner Miguel Induráin is just four centimetres taller than Ayuso, but weighed 78kg at his leanest), told the website: “I always have the scales to weigh the food and to weigh myself nearby.

“Now I live in Andorra alone, but when I lived with my parents I started to weigh my food. At the age of 17 in my second year as a junior, that’s when I started working with my nutritionist Gorka. Up until then I was like any other kid, and now it doesn’t cost me anything just to take the food, put the marker on the scale to zero, and eat.

Ayuso, a winner of two stages at this year’s Tour de Suisse, continued: “To reach the top, you have to make great sacrifices, but whoever wants something has to pay the cost. Now, for example, I come home for Christmas and they give me free rein. I eat everything for four days, bloating myself which takes its toll, but that means that when I have to sacrifice myself I don’t care.        

“It’s useless to do everything right on the bike, to be in spectacular shape if you don’t take care of your diet afterwards. It’s better to train less and take more care of food and other things. It is a fundamental part and you have to take care of it.

“It is not difficult for me to sacrifice myself foodwise, because I know that I need discipline and I know that it is useless to train four or five hours of training and spoil everything. But it is true there are people who try to make everything perfect but there comes a day when they can’t take it anymore and they spoil everything, because they eat in one day what they have avoided for a whole month.

“Before doing that, you have to indulge yourself and try control it. The permission they gave me at Christmas is enough for me and now I don’t have the need to sin. For example, I ate a good lamb.”

Juan Ayuso, 2023 Tour de Suisse (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Of course, the fact that Ayuso appears happy with his monk-like regimen at 20 – and one that he has been living with for three years already – doesn’t mean he can necessarily sustain it long-term, a factor noted by many when assessing the unprecedented success of younger and younger riders in recent years.

One retired rider acutely aware of the sacrifices required to become a pro, Alejandro Valverde, told the site that the strict discipline outlined by Ayuso is “mentally hard to endure for many years” and could potentially lead to burn out for his talented generation of riders.

Let’s just hope that Christmas lamb can help sustain Ayuso throughout the Vuelta…

21 August 2023, 15:37
Oops: Rookie mistake for Tour de l’Avenir sprinter as he misses out on win by celebrating too early

Radoslaw Fratczak won’t forget today in a hurry. The young Polish rider committed the cardinal sin of sprinting this afternoon on stage two of the Tour de l’Avenir, sitting up to celebrate far too early, allowing Canada’s Riley Pickrell – who will turn pro with Israel Premier Tech next year – to nip in for a cheeky win in Chinon.

Oops. Well, I suppose that’s what a race like the Tour de l’Avenir (the baby Tour de France) is for, after all, to make those kinds of mistakes. Not that Radoslaw will reflect on it that way just yet, of course.

21 August 2023, 14:57
Cycling goalkeeper Ben Foster announces retirement – Next stop GCN?

Cycling’s most famous shot stopper is finally hanging up his gloves after a successful 20-year career between the sticks for the likes of Manchester United, Watford, West Brom, and Wrexham.

(Although, considering the current news, it probably wasn’t the best day to release a football statement in retrospect…)

The 40-year-old’s decision to retire in the wake of Wrexham’s Hollywood promotion back to the Football League means he can spend more time where he truly belongs, on the bike, preferably on the Puig Major or in the Alps – but, considering his YouTube experience, could we see him pop up soon enough in the GCN cube? I for one would love to hear Foster’s opinion on who’s going to win the 2024 Tour of Flanders…

21 August 2023, 14:16
Tour of Britain 2022 (SWpix.com)
Tour of Britain insists “no issues” with potholes on stage route after councillor slams “dangerous” roads

The Tour of Britain has reassured the public and riders that there are “no issues” with stage seven’s route through Gloucestershire after a local councillor this weekend slammed the “dreadful” and “dangerous” potholes on surrounding roads, saying it is “ironic” that the race is visiting when other roads would risk injuring those travelling by bicycle.

Read more: > Tour of Britain insists “no issues” with potholes on stage route after councillor slams “dangerous” roads

21 August 2023, 12:59
“Well at least they tried”

Manchester here, emerging with a serious contender for the coveted ‘Most pointless bike lane in the UK’ award with this cracker:

Meanwhile, other parts of Greater Manchester are currently enjoying the fruits of a, shall we say, more modern approach to cycling infrastructure:

21 August 2023, 12:18
Anthony Parsons in Glencoe Village (via Police Scotland)
Woman who helped authorities find body of charity cyclist killed by her boyfriend now to sue police

The girlfriend of a man who last month admitted killing charity cyclist Tony Parsons before burying the body, is to sue the police for causing her mental distress by allegedly asking her to spy on her boyfriend over a nine-month period to gather more evidence.

Caroline Muirhead provided a key breakthrough in the case, alerting police to the location of the body, and was a key prosecution witness after she left a Red Bull can at the spot where Alexander McKellar admitted to her that he and twin brother Robert had buried Mr Parsons after hitting and killing the charity cyclist while driving home on the A82 late at night in September 2017.

However, Ms Muirhead is now set to sue the police, with officers allegedly pressuring her to continue to spy on the McKellar brothers, who did not know she had contacted the police, in a bid to collect more evidence.

Read more: > Woman who helped authorities find body of charity cyclist killed by her boyfriend now to sue police

21 August 2023, 11:59
Alison Jackson wins Paris-Roubaix, 2023 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
Paris-Roubaix winner Alison Jackson set to join EF Education-Cannondale in 2024, after demise of, errr, EF Education-TIBCO-SVB

The sad, but slightly confusing, tale of the demise of the longest-running team in the women’s peloton, EF Education-TIBCO-SVB, has taken another twist this morning, with the news that this year’s Paris-Roubaix winner, and lover of Canadian coffee chains, Alison Jackson has secured a contract at the new, and entirely different, EF Education-Cannondale setup.

As we reported at the weekend, the original EF Education team, a WorldTour outfit run by former pro Linda Jackson (and which holds no formal links with the men’s team of the same name, owned by Jonathan Vaughters), is set to fold after losing sponsors TIBCO and Silicon Valley Bank in the wake of much-documented financial crises, while EF Education are also set to jump ship to the new women’s Conti team that will fall under the JV umbrella.

Keeping up?

> “Just as women’s cycling finally made it, my team failed”: Longstanding Paris-Roubaix winning women’s team set to fold at end of 2023 after losing key sponsors

Alison Jackson wins Paris-Roubaix, 2023 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Jackson’s signing, reported by cycling’s Fabrizio Romano, Daniel Benson, makes her the second EF Education (Old) rider to be snapped up by EF Education (New), following the capture of highly-rated American climber Veronica Ewers earlier this month.

2017 Tour of Flanders winner Coryn Labecki will also join from Jumbo-Visma, while Irish rider Megan Armitage will make the move from Arkéa–Samsic.

The future of other current EF riders, such as British wonderkid Zoe Bäckstedt, remain unclear.

21 August 2023, 11:44
And in Remco’s corner…

Now, I’m not saying that the squad Soudal-Quick Step have selected to defend Remco Evenepoel’s Vuelta crown is weak as such (though it would have been nice to see Remco’s fellow Belgian boy wonder Ilan Van Wilder in there somewhere), I’m just slightly concerned that we could be in for three long weeks of Jumbo-Visma domination…

(I’m saying all this now, but wait until you see James Knox’s best Sepp Kuss impression in the Pyrenees. It’s going to happen, I can feel it.)

21 August 2023, 10:23
Now that’s what I call a bike
Fausto-coppi-road-bike-1948-1_1800x1800

> Want to own Fausto Coppi's custom 1946 Bianchi road bike? This masterpiece is yours for £103,505

Anyone got a spare hundred grand they don’t mind sending to me?

Anyone? Anyone at all…

21 August 2023, 09:56
Valtteri Bottas opts for the classic Roubaix look after finishing 20th at 100-mile SBT GRVL race

The F1 star’s favourite hobby – who needs fast cars, eh? – saw him put in another strong showing on the rough roads, this time on the lumpy 100-mile route at the famous SBT GRVL race in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, complete with obligatory post-race thousand-yard stare…

Despite cramping at the end, Bottas completed the course in 5 hours and 17 minutes, averaging just under 19mph.

If he keeps this up, I wouldn’t put it past transfer-hungry Lidl-Trek – the Chelsea of cycling, so it seems this year – ringing up their social media t-shirt manufacturers over the next few weeks…

21 August 2023, 09:25
Jumbo-Visma announce ridiculously strong team for Vuelta a España as they target unprecedented grand tour triple

I don’t know whether it’s down to the Super Worlds filling up the usual post-Tour de France downtime, but how is it already time for the Vuelta a España?

The Spanish Grand Tour kicks off in Barcelona this Saturday (anyone want to send me over to cover it? No? Okay…), and Jumbo-Visma – like the playground bully who keeps coming back for your lunch money even when you’re whimpering in the corner – have named a stunningly strong squad as they aim to secure an unprecedented Giro-Tour-Vuelta triple for a trade team in the modern era:

This year’s Tour winner Jonas Vingegaard, this year’s Giro winner Primož Roglič, climbing super-super-super domestique Sepp Kuss, Wilco Kelderman, Attila Valter, Dylan van Baarle, Jan Tratnik, and good ol’ Robert Gesink – frankly, that’s too strong a line-up if you ask me. It’s almost cheating (not cheating in the ‘your young kid pops a positive’ kind of cheating, but you know what I mean…).

Anyway, UAE Team Emirates have opted for youthful exuberance – and no Pog – in the fight against the Jumbo juggernaut, with João Almeida and wonderkid Jaun Ayuso leading the charge, ably supported in the mountains by Jay Vine and Marky Marc Soler.

Go on, Ayuso, take it to those Jumbo bullies…

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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essexian replied to levestane | 1 year ago
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I think I would go further.

I believe we can all agree, that there are fewer police on the streets as most of us would like. Thus, as a society, we all have the duty to help police the nation.

Given this, I would suggest that anyone who has evidence of a crime is duty bound to report it and when doing so, should be offered a small fee for any information provided which results in a successful prosecution. Of course you would not have to accept the fee and could, if you wish, give it to charities concerned with the task of re-educating drivers into acceptable members of society. 

 

 

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Rendel Harris replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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essexian wrote:

Thus, as a society, we all have the duty to help police the nation.

I entirely agree, I never tire of Sir Robert Peel's statement on the matter:

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The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

I am never quite sure how our small but vociferous resident coterie of right-wingers reconcile their opposition to people like CM with this quote from a man who is both the father of modern policing and the founder of the modern Conservative party.

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TheBillder replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

the modern Conservative party.

You had me until that bit.

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Rendel Harris replied to TheBillder | 1 year ago
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TheBillder wrote:
Rendel Harris wrote:

the modern Conservative party.

You had me until that bit.

They've regressed quite a lot since his time, of course, he was really more of a progressive liberal; the current Conservatives are more like the old-fashioned autocratic vested interest Tory party that Peel set out to reform. 

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

TheBillder wrote:
Rendel Harris wrote:

the modern Conservative party.

You had me until that bit.

They've regressed quite a lot since his time, of course, he was really more of a progressive liberal; the current Conservatives are more like the old-fashioned autocratic vested interest Tory party that Peel set out to reform. 

I dunno - if you look at the last couple of PMs (!) and the upper echelon I'd say it's less county squires: more the kids of those who made good more recently.  Less tradition, more ambition.  Maybe not pulling up the ladder behind them but dismissive of those who haven't made it like they did.

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Cugel replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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essexian wrote:

I think I would go further.

 I would suggest that anyone who has evidence of a crime is duty bound to report it and when doing so, should be offered a small fee for any information provided which results in a successful prosecution.

Has the neolib propaganda machine penetrated even you!? Turn being a dutiful citizen into a business instead!!? 

Soon the "dutiful citizens" will become not just the avid seekers of the crimes but the causes of them so as to up their revenue when whoever they do an agent provocateur on falls for it.

Mind, the polis have been doing it for ages.

Prevention is generally better than cure. Let's persuade the politicians to do their job and ban not just phones in cars but cars as well.  Think of the freedoms we'd all have from the baluddy things.

For the neolib pecksniffers, think of the money that'd be saved, by both you personally and the gummint. We could have an NHS again. One that works and isn't infested with privatised neolib not-really-a-service, don't-provide-it-anyway scams.

But I digress.

I'm hoping, despite it being naughty, that the loopholer is run over by a car driven by an inattentive phoner-person not yet apprehended by that Mikey.

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mitsky replied to levestane | 1 year ago
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Regarding "snitching" becoming an industry...

 

In New York they pay people for reports of  cycle lane blocking by drivers.

If this could be extended to other forms of bad driving (ie phone use etc) and in different countries... then why not?
I remember reading somewhere that someone made 4 or 5 figures (in USD$) doing it.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-bill-would-pay-people-to-repor...

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chrisonabike replied to mitsky | 1 year ago
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"Snitching" - that's definitely something that depends on opinion!  I bet if you count all the "curtain-twiching neighbours" or the local types with "he's parked in my space again - the next time I see him half an inch on a double yellow..." it would be both "traditional" and a UK universal!

Can't recall the quote but while "spy mania" and "distrust" are stereotypically associated with Russia over the last century was not secrecy (and with it - snooping) "the English disease"?

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peted76 | 1 year ago
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Mikey's 'our' London cycling champion!

He may not be everyones mate but he's spending his time ensuring some of the population think twice about picking up their phones whilst behind the wheel.

The more people talk about him and write about him, the more people will be aware that there's a chance they'll get caught breaking the law whilst behind the wheel. 

We should make it easier to submit evidence and finacially reward people who report crimes which result in convictions. An additional 'fine' should be added on to pay for the people involved in bringing the matter to prosecution. 

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IanMK | 1 year ago
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"But I don’t think we want to live in a snitch society."

I think he's missing the direction of travel by successive governments. If you look at industry regulatory bodies like the EA, HSE, and Trading Standards they have had nothing but budget cuts for probably 3 decades. Industry is now supposed to be "self policing". It's the very corner stone of small government. It doesn't really work because of this type of attitude. However, we keep on voting for it every time we are offered a tax cut. Eventually it ends in tragedy and lots of hand wringing.

I don't see why it's any different for roads policing (or any policing) and many progressive police forces recognise this. Chapeau to Northants who have made their reporting form even easier. 

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Cycloid | 1 year ago
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Nick Freeman does not like Snitches.

NHS management do not like whistle blowers.

When does a snitch become a whistle blower?

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IanMK replied to Cycloid | 1 year ago
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It is definitely in the language. I was just talking to a bloke who's hobby is fishing. He has no problems with snitching or as he would phrase 'reporting poachers'

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Sriracha | 1 year ago
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Nick Freeman wrote:

It’s an industry now

Effectively he's saying mobile phone use at the wheel has reached an industrial scale

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Sriracha | 1 year ago
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...who specialises in getting phone drivers off the hook...

You get my vote for sardonic pun of the year!

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perce | 1 year ago
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I don't report drivers because I'm a snitch, I do it because they endanger my life.

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Sriracha | 1 year ago
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Does he likewise disapprove of people using their home security camera footage to grass up people breaking the law to the police?

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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"has also divided opinion on [social media], as well as on the road.cc forum"

I suppose if you count the views of 2 PBUs, you might argue that.

Why are they still here is the real question?

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ktache replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Wasn't ever going to post on the PBUs forum post, so I'd say that Mikey is not the most hated cyclist, that award would be given by the driver to the cyclist in front of them that is preventing them from going over the speed limit for a handful of seconds, or the cyclist passing them whilst the driver is stuck in traffic of their own making.

And the post was only set up to use the recent post on banning criteria, to get some responders to obvious trolls banned themselves, be careful.

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Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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I'd say non-violent crime is well within the purview of a citizen.

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