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“We don’t want to live in a snitch society”: Mr Loophole takes aim at camera cyclists and Cycling Mikey (again); Clip of shocking Tour de France crash raises questions about concussion protocols; Jumbo-Visma’s Vuelta super team + more on the live blog

It’s Monday, and Ryan Mallon is back for another week of cycling news and views, and the occasional funny video, on the live blog
21 August 2023, 08:08
Cycling Mikey
“We don’t want to live in a snitch society”: Mr Loophole takes aim at camera cyclists and Cycling Mikey’s focus on phone drivers (again)

Cycling Mikey sure gets around these days, doesn’t he?

At the weekend, the live blog season ticket holder was, once again, the star of an in-depth feature in one of the big national newspapers, as the Sunday Times asked, ‘What’s driving Cycling Mikey, Britain’s most hated cyclist?’

That headline… Yeesh.

Setting aside what Jeremy Vine (another live blog stalwart) described as an “iffy headline”, in the article the Times’ Nick Rufford accompanied Mikey on one of his rides seeking out phone using motorists, to ascertain whether he’s a “road safety hero or just a darned nuisance”.

Of course, despite Vine’s praise for the article and its rather balanced approach to its subject, Rufford’s piece is still inevitably peppered with some classic anti-cycling bingo phrases: the writer notes that Van Erp is viewed by some as a “self-righteous snooper”, while he and Vine are described as “helmet-cam warriors”, and those spotted by Mikey using their phones as “victims”.

Cycling Mikey gets accused of supporting Chelsea (credit - CyclingMikey YouTube)

> Driver caught using mobile phone launches foul-mouthed tirade at CyclingMikey — and accuses him of supporting Chelsea

An incident recounted in the article, in which Mikey reports an ambulance driver for using their phone, has also divided opinion on social media, as well as on the road.cc forum (an argument on the forum? Get out of here!).

However, it’s the inclusion of yet another live blog favourite, Mr Loophole himself, Nick Freeman, that has perhaps caused the biggest stir online.

Freeman, a lawyer who specialises in getting phone drivers off the hook, told the Sunday Times that the police appear to be “actively encouraging” activists like Cycling Mikey, arguing that the outcome will be even greater mistrust between cyclists and motorists.

“Using a mobile phone in a car is dangerous and it is right that it’s prohibited. But I don’t think we want to live in a snitch society. I’m not saying the public don’t have a role to play but, really, isn’t that the role of the police?” Freeman asked.

“It’s an industry now and in my view it’s wrong. And there’s no relevant legislation that properly deals with cyclists who cycle dangerously. So the law is all over the place.”

Nick Freeman - via youtube.PNG

> Mr Loophole applauds police action against "vigilante cyclists" filming law-breaking drivers

Freeman then argued that fixed traffic cameras are more than adequate to pick up law-breaking drivers.

He continued: “The police could say to cyclists, thank you very much for your help but we no longer need it. Please don’t do it.”

A lawyer who earned his nickname by getting law-breaking motorists off the hook on technicalities arguing against members of the public supplying additional evidence of this law breaking? Whatever next?!

“Cycling Mikey does a brilliant job,” wrote one. “But I am not impressed by Nick Freeman saying ‘I don’t think we want to live in a snitch society’; if we don’t report crime, our society will be a criminal free for all. ‘Snitches’ is prison talk and not helpful.”

Naturally, Van Erp disagreed with good ol’ Nick, arguing that with the dwindling number of traffic police to enforce road laws, camera cyclists are the best hope of deterring drivers.

“My goal is to give people the perception they might be caught,” he said. “It’s the certainty of detection that’s the best deterrent.”

Cycling Mikey, Jeremy Vine, and Mr Loophole all in the one live blog story? Do I win a road.cc medal or something now?

21 August 2023, 11:25
Carlos Rodriguez and Sepp Kuss Tour de France 2023 crash (Philippe Roesch)
Clip of shocking Tour de France crash that saw Carlos Rodríguez faceplant the road raises questions about cycling’s concussion protocols

A fan-made video from last month’s Tour de France, which captures the moment Ineos rider Carlos Rodríguez crashed heavily on the descent of the Ballon d’Alsace, taking down Sepp Kuss in the process, has prompted a social media debate this morning concerning cycling’s approach to its concussion protocols.

The harrowing crash, which took place on the first descent of the penultimate stage of this year’s Tour, in the Vosges mountains, saw Rodríguez – who was linked with a move away from the British team this winter, but now appears set to stay – lose control of his front wheel while riding behind the yellow jersey Jonas Vingegaard.

The 22-year-old then proceeds to skid along the road, face down, as Vingegaard’s Jumbo-Visma teammate Sepp Kuss attempts and fails to jump over the falling Ineos rider, flying over his handlebars in the process. Pello Bilbao, meanwhile, manages to, somehow, just about avoid riding straight into Rodríguez’ head.

In the clip, we can see a clearly shaken Rodríguez stagger to his feet, stumbling along the road, as riders stream past and teammate Omar Fraile waits with his bike.

As a badly bloodied and bruised Rodríguez continued racing after his fall on the descent, finishing 12th on the day, just 52 seconds behind stage winner Tadej Pogačar, and managing to retain his top five placing on GC, the worrying nature of his reaction to the crash, clearly shown on the fan’s video, has this morning raised questions about how Ineos and the Tour’s medical team responded to the 22-year-old’s physical state during the stage.

Carlos Rodriguez, Ineos Grenadiers, stage 20, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

 (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

“I don’t understand why the protocol was not activated for when they fall and get up like this. I also don’t understand how long the medical car took to get to him,” one Spanish Twitter user wrote. “It’s a miracle (no other word after watching this) that Carlos Rodríguez didn’t leave his face and all his teeth right there.”

“Where’s the concussion protocol when you need it?” asked David. “Someone staggering like that shouldn’t be put back on a bike.”

“Rodríguez not being able to walk in a straight line but allowed to continue riding,” Fabrizio noted.

> UCI publishes new concussion protocol as other sports face lawsuits from retired athletes

The debate around Rodríguez’ return to action after appearing to show signs of concussion will add further weight to the argument proffered by some that cycling continues to have a “concussion problem”.

In December 2020, the UCI published a new concussion protocol – which recommends that riders do not return to competition for at least a week after their symptoms have gone – following a warning from brain charity Headway that cycling is “lagging miles behind other sports” when it comes to dealing with sports-related concussion.

And last year, a study conducted at the University of Northampton found that four out of five competitive cyclists were unaware of the limitations of helmets when it comes to protecting them from concussion.

Earlier this year, Ineos Grenadiers did, however, act swiftly when one of their riders showed signs of concussion, withdrawing Tom Pidcock from the final stage of Tirreno-Adriatico following a nasty crash.

A few days later, the team issued a statement confirming that the Yorkshireman, who was continuously monitored by the team’s doctors after his crash, had been displaying symptoms of mild concussion, resulting in a prescribed period of rest, line with the British squad’s established concussion protocols, that caused him to miss Milan-San Remo and some cobbled classics.

> Why pro cycling needs to ditch its ‘hardness’ obsession

Of course, concussion remains a difficult issue in a sport where riders prepare for months for major targets like the Tour de France, where money, contracts, and UCI points are constantly on the line, and where riders can often be back on their bikes before a member of the medical team – tasked, in these instances, often to save a rider from themselves – can even reach them.

And, if some of the replies to today’s original tweet are anything to go by, it seems that riders remain unfairly burdened by the expectation that they’re the toughest of all athletes, and that they should just get up and get back on their bikes, regardless of how a crash had impacted them. Cycling’s concussion problem, it seems, tends to go hand in hand with its attitude problem, too.

21 August 2023, 16:03
Carlos Rodriguez, Ineos Grenadiers, stage 20, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Reader reaction: Cycling’s ‘bravado’ problem and why there is always a social media post, somewhere

Plenty of reaction to today’s live blog stories, including the fallout over the recently rediscovered clip of Carlos Rodríguez’s nasty crash on stage 20 of this year’s Tour de France and, most importantly, his walk back to the bike, which more closely resembled the staggered approach of some of the riders after a post-Tour session in a Parisien bar than it did the actions of an elite rider ready to rejoin a fast-moving bunch.

Carlos Rodriguez and Sepp Kuss Tour de France 2023 crash (Philippe Roesch)

“Sadly pro-cycling has a bravado problem,” Steve Fry wrote on Twitter in response to the harrowing clip. “The attitude is always this is a sport for hard men and women, but the riders need protection from themselves. Do better.”

“Certain brands romanticised that ‘hard’ image as well,” agreed Henry.

Can cycling’s concussion problem only be properly handled after we first assess the sport’s often masochistic view of itself?

Meanwhile, back in Cycling Mikey and Nick Freeman land, road.cc reader LeadenSkies offered their take on why it’s important to crack down on phone using motorists:

What I don't like is the fact that every time I dare to cycle on the road, I put my life in the hands of people who illegally play with their mobile phone whilst driving because they decide that posting on X or some other social media platform is more important than driving safely.

As others have already pointed out, they don’t just do this in stationery traffic, they do it while driving and the distraction caused by doing it lasts for 30 seconds plus afterwards and is impairment of a similar level to drink driving.

And finally, Steve K proved there’s a handy (and damning) social media post for every comment:

“This Nick Freeman bloke who doesn’t think cyclists should be video-ing other road users?  Is he in any way related to this Nick Freeman?”

Quelle surprise.

21 August 2023, 13:32
Juan Ayuso, 2023 Tour de Suisse (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Spanish sensation Juan Ayuso reveals he only has four days a year to eat whatever he wants – and that he always has scales nearby to weigh himself

While Carlos Rodríguez’s crash at the Tour de France – and his worrying stumble back to his bike – has cast some light on pro cycling’s continuing issues around concussion protocols and its obsession with ‘hardness’, a revealing interview with his fellow up-and-coming Spaniard, Juan Ayuso, has offered a revealing glimpse into another of the sport’s concerning obsessions: weight.

For a sport often decided, especially on its iconic mountain passes, to some degree anyway by the simple calculation of power to weight, it’s no surprise that cycling has long had an unhealthy obsession with the scales.

The enduring image of the skeleton-esque cyclist was exemplified, perhaps, by the sticklike, Tour de France-winning figures of Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome, but stretched back long before the Team Sky marginal gain era (remember Lance Armstrong boasting about pinching his rivals’ waists to see if they’d gained any additional winter weight, or Jan Ullrich’s constant struggle to shed the pounds as the Tour approached? Which he always, somehow, managed to achieve, of course).

And now, one of the so-called ‘new generation’ has revealed how much worrying about food, and the numbers on a scale, can dominate a pro cyclist’s life.

Juan Ayuso, 2023 Tour de Suisse (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Speaking to Spanish website Diario del Triatlón, UAE Team Emirates’ exciting prospect Juan Ayuso – who finished third overall as a teenager at last year’s Vuelta a España – explained that he only has “four days in which I can eat anything I want” throughout the entire year.

The 20-year-old, who at 1.84m tall weighs just 63kg at race weight (for comparison, five-time Tour winner Miguel Induráin is just four centimetres taller than Ayuso, but weighed 78kg at his leanest), told the website: “I always have the scales to weigh the food and to weigh myself nearby.

“Now I live in Andorra alone, but when I lived with my parents I started to weigh my food. At the age of 17 in my second year as a junior, that’s when I started working with my nutritionist Gorka. Up until then I was like any other kid, and now it doesn’t cost me anything just to take the food, put the marker on the scale to zero, and eat.

Ayuso, a winner of two stages at this year’s Tour de Suisse, continued: “To reach the top, you have to make great sacrifices, but whoever wants something has to pay the cost. Now, for example, I come home for Christmas and they give me free rein. I eat everything for four days, bloating myself which takes its toll, but that means that when I have to sacrifice myself I don’t care.        

“It’s useless to do everything right on the bike, to be in spectacular shape if you don’t take care of your diet afterwards. It’s better to train less and take more care of food and other things. It is a fundamental part and you have to take care of it.

“It is not difficult for me to sacrifice myself foodwise, because I know that I need discipline and I know that it is useless to train four or five hours of training and spoil everything. But it is true there are people who try to make everything perfect but there comes a day when they can’t take it anymore and they spoil everything, because they eat in one day what they have avoided for a whole month.

“Before doing that, you have to indulge yourself and try control it. The permission they gave me at Christmas is enough for me and now I don’t have the need to sin. For example, I ate a good lamb.”

Juan Ayuso, 2023 Tour de Suisse (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Of course, the fact that Ayuso appears happy with his monk-like regimen at 20 – and one that he has been living with for three years already – doesn’t mean he can necessarily sustain it long-term, a factor noted by many when assessing the unprecedented success of younger and younger riders in recent years.

One retired rider acutely aware of the sacrifices required to become a pro, Alejandro Valverde, told the site that the strict discipline outlined by Ayuso is “mentally hard to endure for many years” and could potentially lead to burn out for his talented generation of riders.

Let’s just hope that Christmas lamb can help sustain Ayuso throughout the Vuelta…

21 August 2023, 15:37
Oops: Rookie mistake for Tour de l’Avenir sprinter as he misses out on win by celebrating too early

Radoslaw Fratczak won’t forget today in a hurry. The young Polish rider committed the cardinal sin of sprinting this afternoon on stage two of the Tour de l’Avenir, sitting up to celebrate far too early, allowing Canada’s Riley Pickrell – who will turn pro with Israel Premier Tech next year – to nip in for a cheeky win in Chinon.

Oops. Well, I suppose that’s what a race like the Tour de l’Avenir (the baby Tour de France) is for, after all, to make those kinds of mistakes. Not that Radoslaw will reflect on it that way just yet, of course.

21 August 2023, 14:57
Cycling goalkeeper Ben Foster announces retirement – Next stop GCN?

Cycling’s most famous shot stopper is finally hanging up his gloves after a successful 20-year career between the sticks for the likes of Manchester United, Watford, West Brom, and Wrexham.

(Although, considering the current news, it probably wasn’t the best day to release a football statement in retrospect…)

The 40-year-old’s decision to retire in the wake of Wrexham’s Hollywood promotion back to the Football League means he can spend more time where he truly belongs, on the bike, preferably on the Puig Major or in the Alps – but, considering his YouTube experience, could we see him pop up soon enough in the GCN cube? I for one would love to hear Foster’s opinion on who’s going to win the 2024 Tour of Flanders…

21 August 2023, 14:16
Tour of Britain 2022 (SWpix.com)
Tour of Britain insists “no issues” with potholes on stage route after councillor slams “dangerous” roads

The Tour of Britain has reassured the public and riders that there are “no issues” with stage seven’s route through Gloucestershire after a local councillor this weekend slammed the “dreadful” and “dangerous” potholes on surrounding roads, saying it is “ironic” that the race is visiting when other roads would risk injuring those travelling by bicycle.

Read more: > Tour of Britain insists “no issues” with potholes on stage route after councillor slams “dangerous” roads

21 August 2023, 12:59
“Well at least they tried”

Manchester here, emerging with a serious contender for the coveted ‘Most pointless bike lane in the UK’ award with this cracker:

Meanwhile, other parts of Greater Manchester are currently enjoying the fruits of a, shall we say, more modern approach to cycling infrastructure:

21 August 2023, 12:18
Anthony Parsons in Glencoe Village (via Police Scotland)
Woman who helped authorities find body of charity cyclist killed by her boyfriend now to sue police

The girlfriend of a man who last month admitted killing charity cyclist Tony Parsons before burying the body, is to sue the police for causing her mental distress by allegedly asking her to spy on her boyfriend over a nine-month period to gather more evidence.

Caroline Muirhead provided a key breakthrough in the case, alerting police to the location of the body, and was a key prosecution witness after she left a Red Bull can at the spot where Alexander McKellar admitted to her that he and twin brother Robert had buried Mr Parsons after hitting and killing the charity cyclist while driving home on the A82 late at night in September 2017.

However, Ms Muirhead is now set to sue the police, with officers allegedly pressuring her to continue to spy on the McKellar brothers, who did not know she had contacted the police, in a bid to collect more evidence.

Read more: > Woman who helped authorities find body of charity cyclist killed by her boyfriend now to sue police

21 August 2023, 11:59
Alison Jackson wins Paris-Roubaix, 2023 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
Paris-Roubaix winner Alison Jackson set to join EF Education-Cannondale in 2024, after demise of, errr, EF Education-TIBCO-SVB

The sad, but slightly confusing, tale of the demise of the longest-running team in the women’s peloton, EF Education-TIBCO-SVB, has taken another twist this morning, with the news that this year’s Paris-Roubaix winner, and lover of Canadian coffee chains, Alison Jackson has secured a contract at the new, and entirely different, EF Education-Cannondale setup.

As we reported at the weekend, the original EF Education team, a WorldTour outfit run by former pro Linda Jackson (and which holds no formal links with the men’s team of the same name, owned by Jonathan Vaughters), is set to fold after losing sponsors TIBCO and Silicon Valley Bank in the wake of much-documented financial crises, while EF Education are also set to jump ship to the new women’s Conti team that will fall under the JV umbrella.

Keeping up?

> “Just as women’s cycling finally made it, my team failed”: Longstanding Paris-Roubaix winning women’s team set to fold at end of 2023 after losing key sponsors

Alison Jackson wins Paris-Roubaix, 2023 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Jackson’s signing, reported by cycling’s Fabrizio Romano, Daniel Benson, makes her the second EF Education (Old) rider to be snapped up by EF Education (New), following the capture of highly-rated American climber Veronica Ewers earlier this month.

2017 Tour of Flanders winner Coryn Labecki will also join from Jumbo-Visma, while Irish rider Megan Armitage will make the move from Arkéa–Samsic.

The future of other current EF riders, such as British wonderkid Zoe Bäckstedt, remain unclear.

21 August 2023, 11:44
And in Remco’s corner…

Now, I’m not saying that the squad Soudal-Quick Step have selected to defend Remco Evenepoel’s Vuelta crown is weak as such (though it would have been nice to see Remco’s fellow Belgian boy wonder Ilan Van Wilder in there somewhere), I’m just slightly concerned that we could be in for three long weeks of Jumbo-Visma domination…

(I’m saying all this now, but wait until you see James Knox’s best Sepp Kuss impression in the Pyrenees. It’s going to happen, I can feel it.)

21 August 2023, 10:23
Now that’s what I call a bike
Fausto-coppi-road-bike-1948-1_1800x1800

> Want to own Fausto Coppi's custom 1946 Bianchi road bike? This masterpiece is yours for £103,505

Anyone got a spare hundred grand they don’t mind sending to me?

Anyone? Anyone at all…

21 August 2023, 09:56
Valtteri Bottas opts for the classic Roubaix look after finishing 20th at 100-mile SBT GRVL race

The F1 star’s favourite hobby – who needs fast cars, eh? – saw him put in another strong showing on the rough roads, this time on the lumpy 100-mile route at the famous SBT GRVL race in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, complete with obligatory post-race thousand-yard stare…

Despite cramping at the end, Bottas completed the course in 5 hours and 17 minutes, averaging just under 19mph.

If he keeps this up, I wouldn’t put it past transfer-hungry Lidl-Trek – the Chelsea of cycling, so it seems this year – ringing up their social media t-shirt manufacturers over the next few weeks…

21 August 2023, 09:25
Jumbo-Visma announce ridiculously strong team for Vuelta a España as they target unprecedented grand tour triple

I don’t know whether it’s down to the Super Worlds filling up the usual post-Tour de France downtime, but how is it already time for the Vuelta a España?

The Spanish Grand Tour kicks off in Barcelona this Saturday (anyone want to send me over to cover it? No? Okay…), and Jumbo-Visma – like the playground bully who keeps coming back for your lunch money even when you’re whimpering in the corner – have named a stunningly strong squad as they aim to secure an unprecedented Giro-Tour-Vuelta triple for a trade team in the modern era:

This year’s Tour winner Jonas Vingegaard, this year’s Giro winner Primož Roglič, climbing super-super-super domestique Sepp Kuss, Wilco Kelderman, Attila Valter, Dylan van Baarle, Jan Tratnik, and good ol’ Robert Gesink – frankly, that’s too strong a line-up if you ask me. It’s almost cheating (not cheating in the ‘your young kid pops a positive’ kind of cheating, but you know what I mean…).

Anyway, UAE Team Emirates have opted for youthful exuberance – and no Pog – in the fight against the Jumbo juggernaut, with João Almeida and wonderkid Jaun Ayuso leading the charge, ably supported in the mountains by Jay Vine and Marky Marc Soler.

Go on, Ayuso, take it to those Jumbo bullies…

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Freeman then argued that fixed traffic cameras are more than adequate to pick up law-breaking drivers.

6.6 million UK drivers admit to using their mobile when driving (so who knows what the true figure is, but one has to assume considerably higher): in 2022 16,000 were caught. One doesn't want to accuse such a renowned road safety expert and top lawyer of talking bollocks, but catching 0.24% of offenders (and of course not all of them will have been caught with fixed traffic cameras) isn't what most people would describe as "more than adequate".

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open_roads | 1 year ago
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Two observations on the Nick Freeman piece:

1. The guy clearly has little or no self awareness. He opines on rights and responsibilities whilst promoting himself as "Mr Loophole"

2. He needs to visit Specsavers - the road in the video is not a "narrow" road - it has space for two lanes.

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Rome73 replied to open_roads | 1 year ago
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True - also his little video makes no sense. The cyclists are not cycling in an 'inconsiderate' manner. They are perfectly obeying the rules. A tractor or other farm vehicle would be doing exactly the same 

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Browsie replied to open_roads | 1 year ago
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It's just Mr loophole talking out of his poophole as usual, best to just ignore him.

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Benthic | 1 year ago
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"...I don’t think we want to live in a snitch society."

Criminals always say that. 

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ROOTminus1 replied to Benthic | 1 year ago
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A sentiment shared the same people who paradoxically also say things like "Why do you mind the authorities looking if you've got nothing to hide?" Only when it's someone else's privacy at stake

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Fignon's ghost | 1 year ago
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The lawyer truly grips my sh!t. Who does he think he is? Saul Goodman?

He's certainly no Howard Greenberg.

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Muddy Ford | 1 year ago
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Dont want to live in a snitch society? What an absolute pile of dog turd that Loophole is. Would he advocate that all of society refuses to give evidence to help convict criminals, or is it only when cyclists are injured or killed? One can only hope that karma comes to him and he is smashed into by a texting lorry driver. It's because of dickhead statements like his that so many drivers think it's not an issue to drive on the motorway whilst staring into their laps where their phone is. Perhaps he should try and convince the husband of that family that were wiped out on the A34 that cyclists who report mobile phone users are snitches. I'd fully expect and support that husband thumping his stupid smug smile of his face.  

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OldRidgeback replied to Muddy Ford | 1 year ago
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Mr Loophole is a piece of crap. He's happy for dangerous drivers to stay on the road as long as they pay him pots of money. He doesn't like ordinary people who dare to stand up for the law, which he is so happy to twist to meet the needs of his rich clients. 

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LeadenSkies | 1 year ago
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What I don't like is the fact that every time I dare to cycle on the road, I put my life in the hands of people who illegally play with their mobile phone whilst driving because they decide that posting on X or some other social media platform is more important than driving safely. As others have already pointed out, they don't just do this in stationery traffic, they do it while driving and the distraction caused by doing it lasts for 30 seconds plus afterwards and is impairment of a similar level to drink driving.

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Steve K | 1 year ago
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Live blog favourite Ben Foster is back to being cycling former goalkeeper.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66567998

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Left_is_for_Losers replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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Steve K wrote:

Live blog favourite Ben Foster is back to being cycling former goalkeeper.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66567998

Is that the Ben Foster who jets around the country and has a carbon footprint bigger than a small towns?

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Rodríguez faceplant  

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Steve K | 1 year ago
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This Nick Freeman bloke who doesn't think cyclists should be video-ing other road users?  Is he in any way related to this Nick Freeman?  https://twitter.com/TheMrLoophole/status/1466474327541436420

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sapperadam replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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The one and only.

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Steve K replied to sapperadam | 1 year ago
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sapperadam wrote:

The one and only.

That was Chesney Hawkes.

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chrisonabike replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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I was thinking about that one!

I think the video and driving may be separate but there was some debate on this when it first appeared here...

Then there are some of the other comments he makes which show that his understanding of "safety" and indeed "cycling" is sketchy (being charitable).

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Off the back replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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The UK has more CCTV cameras per capita than any other western nation. 

But yeah, its cyclists with gopros.They are the real issue! 

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mpdouglas replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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That's him. Mr PoopHole. Forever spouting total excrement. Is reporting any crime a problem for him (child abuse, robbery, people trafficking, sexual abuse etc etc), or is it just the crimes that he and his clientele routinely engage in whilst driving?!

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Surreyrider replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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So when I witness a murder I won't do anything and when the police later ask me why I didn't tell them, I'll say because that (fwit) Nick Freeman said we shouldn't snitch.

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Off the back replied to Surreyrider | 1 year ago
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We all know what snitches get 🧵🪡

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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It has been suggested in one of my other favourite sports, rugby union, that one way of levelling the playing field in the current era of monstrously huge forwards is to have an overall weight limit for each team. Looking at Jumbo's lineup for the Vuelta I'm wondering whether it might be a good idea to give teams an overall number of rider world ranking points permitted for their entry, so if you want to run the world number one and two in the same race you will have to use some lower ranked riders in your team as well so as not to exceed the limit, rather than also taking numbers five, seven, nine, ten and eleven (or whatever). Otherwise we really are in danger of becoming like Formula One where (in my limited understanding) it seems that there are only ever one or two teams with a realistic chance of winning because they've bought up all the talent.

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Clem Fandango replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Interesting concept.  

Not that I'm saying that anyone would actively seek a loophole but would teams then just game the points/ranking system? Only use super domestiques in low ranking races / have them DNF having dragged their leader to the finish etc?  

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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I disagree.  We want to see all the world's best riders at the world's best races.  It would be like telling Manchester City that they if they are going to pick Haaland and De Bruyne (yes, I know he's injured) then they can't pick Foden. 

If you want to keep the competition alive, then you need to a way to stop all the talent going to a few teams, not constrain who they can pick once it's there.

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Rendel Harris replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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Well I agree with you, so there. Inasmuch as yes, we want to see the best riders at the biggest races; the idea behind my suggestion would be that you might actually still see them all but competing against each other rather than many of them riding on the same team and becoming an unstoppable force like Sky/INEOS of old and the current JV. If each team could only run one or two marquee names, instead of having maybe seven of the world's top twenty on one team, there might be better and less predictable competition because they wouldn't buy up so many top riders that they couldn't use and so more would be available to other teams. I'm thinking something like the NFL draft system in its effect, which ensures a better distribution of talent across the field.

I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to object to my idea, it was just a throwaway thought, but I do think it would be beneficial to cycling to at least give some consideration to preventing three or four teams being quite so dominant.

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Yeah, I agree with your final comment, I just wasn't sure your suggestion (which I appreciate you weren't claiming was a fully thought through proposal!) would work.  The richest teams would still hoard the best riders, they would just use them differently (again, look at the depth of the richest football team's squads).  If you were going to take something from Rugby Union, perhaps some sort of salary cap across the squad.

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quiff replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

if you want to run the world number one and two in the same race you will have to use some lower ranked riders in your team as well so as not to exceed the limit

Sounds like Fantasy Cycling!

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marmotte27 replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Ending professional sports? There's an idea...

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Rendel Harris replied to marmotte27 | 1 year ago
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marmotte27 wrote:

Ending professional sports? There's an idea...

You don't have to end professional sports to create a more level playing field; numerous sports have successfully employed salary caps and/or draft pick systems to ensure that no team can become super dominant solely by virtue of having more funds than their rivals.

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levestane | 1 year ago
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Use whatever playground language you like, but it seems fine to me if members of the public can make money out of videoing folk breaking laws and passing this to the police to action as appropriate. I'm sure it helps keep the legal profession in a job. 

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