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"There’s nothing inspiring or bada** about this": Former pro cyclist urges riders to "respect their brains" after Stefan Küng's crash; Mountain bikers run into "nice man" King Charles on Scottish trail; Welsh 20mph petition scandal + more on the live blog

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21 September 2023, 14:12
"He's walking while everyone else is driving": "Anti-establishment" mountain bikers run into "nice man" King Charles on Scottish trail

Well now that wasn't on my bingo card today!

Scottish mountain biker Andrew McAvoy runs the YouTube channel called McTrail Rider. He describes himself as "not a big fan of the royal family" and "anti-establishment", but couldn't help appreciating the monarch when he came across him on the trails in Balmoral.

McAvoy was with a few other riders when he saw the proceedings and black SUVs near the estate, predicting that there must be someone from the royal family around. As they rolled along the trail, McAvoy spotted a man with a jacket, a flat cap and a walking stick coming towards them.

"I think that's a minor royal", he said to himself — before realising it was the King himself.

Charles told them about his own escpades to the area with his late father and Princess Anne back in the day, and added that he was trying to "get more trees".

When asked if he was still on his summer holiday, Charles replied: "Yes. It is wonderful up here" (can't lie looks horrendous at this time but where does it not). He added that he liked walking because it was 'good for the soul', despite a disappointingly brisk Scottish summer this year.

He signed them off with wave and the usual remark you give to your usual mountain biker: "Don't fall off!"

Blimey! King Charles looking out for cyclists!

Well I'm bummed they didn't ask him to take their bikes for a spin, or better, Charlie didn't have a wee chat about cycling too. Ah well, you can ask for so much (as a cyclist that's not a lot these days).

McAvoy seemed impresses, stating what a "nice man" he was. He said: "Lovely man had time for us. I'm annoyed because I didn't want to care, but that was nice."

He added: "'He's a nice man. He's walking when everyone else is driving. I'm just perplexed. It'd be one thing to like see the King with everyone - he was just wandering down the trail on his own."

I don't know, seeing a man wander down the trail on their own shouldn't be such a bizarre thing right? But hey, silver linings and all.

21 September 2023, 14:09
21 September 2023, 13:06
Toms Skujiņš, bang on the money?

Latvian pro racer for Lidl-Trek, Toms Skujiņš, has something to say about the Stefan Küng crash, and if I may offer my insignificant opinion, I think he's spot-on.

Skujiņš added: "Many remember my crash in 2017 where I stumbled, but still somehow how got on a bike and barely rode away without hurting myself or others more. It's crazy to me that more than 6 years on we still make(even bigger) mistakes regarding riding with a concussion."

What do you think about his comments?

21 September 2023, 12:31
“Extreme, undemocratic, and dangerous”: Council scraps majority of low traffic neighbourhoods – despite “overwhelming” public support for cycling and walking schemes
Arnold Circus LTN (via Bob From Accounts on Twitter)

A residents’ group in East London has accused the local council of taking “the most extreme, undemocratic, and dangerous decision available”, after it voted to remove most of the borough’s low traffic neighbourhood (LTN) schemes – despite a series of consultations showing that residents are in favour of retaining the traffic-calming measures.

Last night, Tower Hamlets mayor Lutfur Rahman, as a protest was staged outside the town hall, decided to scrap the walking and cycling initiatives introduced by the previous Labour administration in 2021 in Columbia Road, Arnold Circus, and Old Bethnal Green.

Read more: “Extreme, undemocratic, and dangerous”: Council scraps majority of low traffic neighbourhoods – despite “overwhelming” public support for cycling and walking schemes

21 September 2023, 12:29
Nathan Van Hooydonck and Jonas Vingegaard, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Tributes pour in for Nathan Van Hooydonck after Jumbo Visma rider forced to retire from pro cycling following car crash

Jumbo Visma announced yesterday that 26-year-old Nathan Van Hooydonck has been forced to call time on his career, a diagnosis of cardiac arrhythmia following last week's car crash meaning he has been fitted with an internal defibrillator.

The Belgian team's loyal domestique participated in this year's Tour de France where he was key to helping Jonas Vingegaard defend his maillot jaune for a consecutive year, and also raced in the Tour of Britain (I have a bittersweet memory of seeing him there, in what will tragically be his last outing as a pro cyclist).

> Jumbo-Visma’s Nathan Van Hooydonck “in life-threatening condition” after falling ill and crashing car

After winning the bronze in yesterday's European TT championship, teammate and fellow countryman Wout van Aert was emotional when asked about Van Hooydock, saying that it was "really unfair".

He said: "I have a lot of trouble accepting it. This is very sad news, sad but at the same time good: I am very happy that Nathan was able to fight until the end. This is obviously the most important thing. His life held only a thread last week. I hope that he will soon be able to return to a normal life and enjoy fatherhood.

"It's a hard blow for him to no longer be able to indulge in his passion. Having to stop his career in such a way is really unfair, he who has already experienced so many misadventures."

Van Aert also said that he has now lost "his best teammate" and "one of his best friends in the peloton". He also retweeted a picture of a Jumbo Visma rider wearing "Nathan" on the team's iconic triple Grand-Tour winning jersey on the last stage of the Vuelta.

Jonas Vingegaard also shared a post on social media today, saying: "My dear friend and bodyguard. Even though I’m gonna miss having you by my side in the bunch, I’m most of all happy you can continue your life together with your wife and baby ❤️ Thank you for all the great memories we have together."

21 September 2023, 08:30
Stefan Kung crash at European time trial championships (GCN)
Is finishing races covered in blood "inspiring" and "bad a**"? Former pro cyclist urges riders to "respect their brains" and raises awareness on concussion after Stefan Küng's horrible time trial crash

Phil Gaimon, former pro rider for Garmin-Sharp and Cannondale (now EF Education-EasyPost) has spoken out against the idolising by some people of Stefan Küng's bloodied and bruised end to what could have been a fantastic showing at the European time trial championships yesterday.

Switzerland's time trial specialist Küng had been in contention for a third European TT champion title after passing the second intermediate time check in third place, less than a second off Wout Van Aert’s time, though almost half a minute down on the flying young British rider Josh Tarling.

> Former UCI chief calls for crackdown on “crazy” head-down time trialling after Stefan Küng’s bizarre crash straight into barriers at European Championships

However, towards the end of his ride, Küng – riding in the extreme, head-down aero position favoured by most modern time triallists – misjudged the slight change in direction on the road and failed to spot the row of encroaching barriers in front of him.

As far as images having the power to evoke strong emotions in fans go, the images coming out of the incident were certainly shocking and jarring.

But Phil Gaimon, who's had his fair share of experience with concussions and crashes during his pro cycling career, has now spoken out to dissuade fans from idolising this sort of stuff and called for more rider protection.

Stefan Kung after crash at European time trial championships (GCN)

He wrote on Twitter: "I’m seeing way too many people calling this brave or hardcore. I'm not blaming Kung at all for doing what he's trained for (and his head just took a hit), but there's nothing inspiring or bad ass about this photo.

"I remember crashing in a category 3 race, catching back on, winning covered in blood, and feeling proud and tough for it. I also remember introducing myself to a former teammate at the Tour of California team presentation (he of course knew me well and thought I was joking).

This was in 2013, just two months after Gaimon had suffered a bad concussion, and in between he had been second overall at the Tour of Gila. He said that it "worked out apparently but scares the shit out of him in retrospect", adding that multiple head injuries at the same time "can make you a vegetable".

He continued: "I think it's a combination of getting older and how science has progressed on concussions but I'm really not afraid of broken bones or road rash at all anymore, however I am scared of a brain injury that comes back to haunt me when I'm 60.

"Respect your brain and spread the word on concussions. I’m not going to give medical advice but look into warning signs and recovery protocols."

After the incident yesterday, former UCI president Brian Cookson called on cycling’s governing body to crack down on the "crazy trend" of riding head down in time trials. He argued that the crash was a result of Küng’s head-down riding style, which he claims should be banned by the sport’s world governing body.

That had already sparked some debate, with people pointing out that the top three riders in all UK time trial championships would have to be disqualified if they applied that rule.

But now perhaps Gaimon's point calls for another discussion, and it's one we have already had earlier this year during the Giro: Does pro cycling needs to ditch its obsession with "hardness"?

> Opinion: Why pro cycling needs to ditch its ‘hardness’ obsession

GCN commentator and everybody's favourite pro cycling analyst Carlton Kirby, who was on the mic during yesterday's race said at the time of the crash: "Concussion protocols and the like.. that’s a terrible picture of a real athlete and he’s finishing the job he’s almost programmed to do.

"It was going so well and it’s ended in disaster, and it’s straight to medical facilities once he crosses the line. Such a shame for Stefan Küng, what a brave rider!"

If commentators continue to label actions and images like these as "brave" and a "real athlete", do you think cycling fans, sitting from the couches of their homes can let go of the "hardness"? Do we all need a moment to realise that athletes don't need to put their lives on the line, or do you think cycling should go on as it has in the past, complete with strongman personalities and idols made out of stone?

> Podcast: Have pro cyclists ‘gone soft’? Perceptions of elite sport (and us mortals) discussed + Simon samples Drum & Bass On The Bike!

Let us know what you think in the comments!

21 September 2023, 11:18
Hundreds protest outside Tower Hamlets council against decision to scrap LTNs
21 September 2023, 10:56
Meet Travis the human and Sigrid the cat, the viral sensations who have just switched to an e-bike
Travis and Sigrid

If you’re a TikTok-er or active on other social media, you may well have seen videos of Sigrid, a delightful feline passenger being ridden around on her owner’s bikes. Sigrid, a deaf Norwegian Forest cat, and her owner, Travis Nelson, have been taking the internet by storm over the last few years since Nelson decided to take her for a ride during Covid.

> Meet Travis the human and Sigrid the cat, the viral sensations who have just switched to an e-bike

I, for one, absolutely the adore the white furry little catto and have a smile on my face everytime I across their videos, so here's me sharing some of my joys with you.

21 September 2023, 09:57
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Petition to overturn 20mph speed limits in Wales reaches record signatures... but most of them don't even live in Wales

A petition to oppose the blanket 20mph speed limit in Wales has reached a record number of signatures, however people have pointed out that most of the signatories do not live in Wales, and some not even in the UK!

After news of wacky conspiracy theories taking hold of the hive mind, with this one Twitter account doing some insane mental gymnastics to say that the Russell Brand sexual assault accusations have been manufactured in an attempt to stop using cars!

The world we live in, ladies and gentlemen!

> Wales becomes the first UK nation to introduce blanket 20mph speed limit in built-up areas… and the conspiracy theories are already rolling in

Now, the BBC has reported that the petition to overturn the 20mph speed limit in Wales has become the most-signed petition to reach the Senedd in the history with 320,000 signatures as of Wednesday night. However many were quick to point out the discrepancies in the regions from where the petition was deriving its horde of signatures.

Signatories included people from India, Kenya, Japan, Oman, Pakistan, Phillippines, the USA and the Vatican, just to name a few.

Just this morning, BBC has another story up, stating the claims from the owner of a beds and mattresses company in Llanelli (beautiful place, by the way), who believed the decision is "destroying companies and putting so much stress on people".

However, the chief executive of one driver training school said he believed the decision should be considered UK-wide.

21 September 2023, 09:28
The debate rumbles on following Stefan Küng's shocking injury update

Two hand fractures, a crack in his cheekbone and a concussion.

That's the update on Stefan Küng's injuries coming from Het Nieuwsblad after the Swiss specialist's arresting crash at the European TT championship.

Is anger a fair emotion at how Küng was allowed to go on? Are TTs inherently more dangerous due to a lack of medical staff on the track as opposed to a road race? Should the team be penalised for not stopping him and seeking immediate medical help? Has the debate come more alive due to the striking images of a bloodied rider with a broken helmet? What does it say about the human condition that makes us seek a thrill like this?

I'm here all day, and as your amiable host at the helm of this live blog after some time, I will be reading your comments. So feel free to discuss!

Meanwhile, here's some discussion points from social media...

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Adwi, are you and colleagues aware that this site has been a nightmare for the last few days? A lot of the time clicking on links gets either no response or a 504 error and loading times are huge for most pages...have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again?

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Adwitiya Pal replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Hi Rendel, yeah it has been a nightmare for us too. I can assure we are trying to fix the server issues so hang tight please!

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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I don't think it's just this website.

Most sites I am viewing (using Firefox browser) are unusually slow and glitchy at the moment. It could be a wider problem that Road.cc are unfortunately caught up in.

 

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wtjs replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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I don't think it's just this website

I think it could be! It's happening to me on Chrome, and other sites seem to be OK

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hawkinspeter replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

I don't think it's just this website.

Most sites I am viewing (using Firefox browser) are unusually slow and glitchy at the moment. It could be a wider problem that Road.cc are unfortunately caught up in.

I'm on Firefox too, but I'm only seeing issues with Road.cc.

Check your DNS, it's always DNS

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Tom_77 replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Google's DNS servers are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, which are probably more reliable than your ISP's.

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hawkinspeter replied to Tom_77 | 1 year ago
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Tom_77 wrote:

Google's DNS servers are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, which are probably more reliable than your ISP's.

I prefer 1.1.1.1 (Cloudflare) and 9.9.9.9 (Quad9), but the google ones work well enough

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Paul J replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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DNS issues will not cause 504 (and other) HTTP errors from the actual (front-end) server.

The issue is undoubtedly somewhere in road.cc's site server system.

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hawkinspeter replied to Paul J | 1 year ago
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Paul J wrote:

DNS issues will not cause 504 (and other) HTTP errors from the actual (front-end) server.

The issue is undoubtedly somewhere in road.cc's site server system.

You misunderstand me - the DNS issues may well be within Road.cc systems.

I've seen mainly 502 gateway issues which is when the NgINX frontend doesn't get a response from the backend quickly enough. They could try to increase the patience of NgINX with something like the following:

proxy_read_timeout 300s;
proxy_connect_timeout 300s;
proxy_buffer_size 128k;
proxy_buffers 4 256k;
proxy_busy_buffers_size 256k;

However, that is unlikely to be of much help if the backend system is choking on a DDOS attack or broken disk or DNS misconfiguration etc.

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hawkinspeter replied to Paul J | 1 year ago
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Dupe comment changed to squirrel pic

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wtjs replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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 choking on a DDOS attack

This bad news when we're already suffering from The Attack of the Moron Trolls!

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hawkinspeter replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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wtjs wrote:

 choking on a DDOS attack

This bad news when we're already suffering from The Attack of the Moron Trolls!

That's probably more a DOS attack - Denial Of Sense

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Mr Hoopdriver replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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What's been changed in the last few days ?  Somebody's probably been fiddling.  The way we're seing lots of duplicate posts, it looks like a load balancer or (horror) CDN is timing out and trying alternatives.

Wonder how many times this will appear  1

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Rendel Harris replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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I'm using Firefox as well and not getting any problems elsewhere.

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Flintshire Boy replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Nah, just here. Getting on to Daily Mail and Daily Tele. sites just fine.

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And good reading there, too.

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(Steps back, awaits the brickbats!)

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hawkinspeter replied to Flintshire Boy | 1 year ago
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Flintshire Boy wrote:

Nah, just here. Getting on to Daily Mail and Daily Tele. sites just fine.

And good reading there, too.

(Steps back, awaits the brickbats!)

I just checked those sites, but they seem to be rendering gibberish and nonsense, albeit quite speedily.

You'll be waiting a while for the brickbats as it now takes patience to make a comment.

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andystow replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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It's been very slow and frustrating. Also, is anyone else getting ads while logged in as a subscriber? Yes, I've tried logging off and back on again.

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HoldingOn replied to andystow | 1 year ago
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Yup - I am now getting an annoying video advert repeatedly popping in, bottom right of the screen. Very annoying. Hopefully they fix that soon.

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Steve K replied to andystow | 1 year ago
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Yep, I'm getting them too.

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Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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Could they not have placed something on those barriers before the race?
A banner? Big, feck off fluro arrow, maybe?
Sticky arrows on the floor? Cripes, they even use them on sportives around here, so they aren't that difficult to obtain and affix

What did the risk assessment look like?
Dull, grey, galvanised barriers ... check
Dull, grey race surface ... check
Way to make them visible ... nah, why would we want to do that?

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check12 replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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He wasn't looking where he was going he was head down following the white line, not looking where you are going can get you into trouble

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check12 replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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He wasn't looking where he was going he was head down following the white line, not looking where you are going can get you into trouble

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check12 replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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He wasn't looking where he was going he was head down following the white line, not looking where you are going can get you into trouble

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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brooksby | 1 year ago
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/20/google-maps-collapsed...

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The family of a North Carolina man is suing Google for negligence after he died from crashing into a creek below a collapsed bridge at the alleged behest of Google Maps, the Associated Press reported.

On 30 September 2022, state troopers found ​​Philip Paxson drowned in his overturned pickup truck beneath a bridge that had collapsed nearly a decade earlier. Paxson, who was 47 and from Hickory, North Carolina (about 60 miles north-west of Charlotte), was returning home from his daughter’s ninth birthday before the accident, his mother-in-law wrote in a post on Facebook. She added that neither the destroyed bridge nor the road leading to it had any barriers or warning signs to alert drivers of the hazard.

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mattw replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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This one seems to be a privte road built by a developer, not maintained by the Public Authorities.

Where previously existing barriers had been removed by vandals some time ago.

I have no idea how that will play in the US legal system.

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Yes, I know it isn't cycling, but still...

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/woman-suffers-life-chang...

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A woman has been rushed to hospital with serious injuries, while another was arrested following a two-person e-scooter incident. Two women, both in their 20s, were riding a rented VOI e-scooter down a hill in Bristol when they both fell off, police have said.

The pair were riding down Park Street at around 11.20pm on Sunday, September 3. After falling off, one rider was taken to hospital with potentially life-changing injuries, Avon and Somerset Police said in a statement.

The second rider was arrested on suspicion of driving a mechanically propelled vehicle while unfit through drink or drugs and on suspicion of causing serious injury by careless driving. They are aiding officers with their enquiries.

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