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Jeremy Vine: "Cycle lanes are GREAT for emergency services"; Relieved Giro admin avoids pineapple pizza forfeit; Bicycle storage on trains déjà vu; Giro stage 17; Secret tech; Things you hate about being a cyclist? + more on the live blog

It's Wednesday and Dan Alexander is in the hot seat to take you through the middle of the week...
Wed, May 25, 2022 08:54
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Jeremy Vine: "Cycle lanes are GREAT for emergency services"; Relieved Giro admin avoids pineapple pizza forfeit; Bicycle storage on trains déjà vu; Giro stage 17; Secret tech; Things you hate about being a cyclist? + more on the live blogHyde Park cycle lane police (screenshot Jeremy VIne/Twitter)
25 May 2022, 15:28
Jeremy Vine video shows why "cycle lanes are GREAT for emergency services"

'Cycle lanes delaying emergency services' is one of the most frequently parroted lines you'll hear from those who, for whatever reason, don't like people having access to safe infrastructure. BUT here's Jeremy Vine on hand to show how they can help out...

Vine wrote: "Absolutely support the use of cycle lanes for emergency services. The roads are usually so jammed in London that police, ambulance, fire get stuck. It is yet another argument for segregated cycle lanes." 

Last year, Cycling UK submitted freedom of information (FOI) requests to the 12 ambulance trusts operating in England, Scotland and Wales, asking whether councils were engaging with them before installing new cycling and walking facilities and whether the new lanes had been the cause of any delays.

Ten responded. Not one was against the new lanes, while a third expressed strong support for them because of their public health and road safety benefits.

> Pop-up bike lanes don't slow ambulances according to… the ambulance service

 That FOI request came months after Cycling UK accused the Mail on Sunday of peddling "alternative facts" on impact of cycle lanes on emergency services after it quoted a spokesman for the College of Paramedics claiming that cycling infrastructure and low traffic neighbourhoods were delaying ambulances and putting people’s lives at risk.

The following day, the College responded to the article through its Twitter account, and expressed disappointment at how the comments made on its behalf had been reported.

I'm sure some of you will be laughing at the idea of an ambulance fitting in your paltry local cycle lane...but does Jeremy have a point?

25 May 2022, 15:48
Won't somebody please think of the derailleur
25 May 2022, 15:41
25 May 2022, 15:19
Santiago Buitrago wins stage 17 of the Giro d'Italia
Santiago Buitrago

Colombian Santiago Buitrago was the winner on stage 17 after he and Gijs Leemreize spoilt the Giro media team's pizza party (scroll down if that makes zero sense).

Jan Hirt was third, while the persevering Hugh Carthy came fourth. In the GC, Jai Hindley and Richard Carapaz could not be seperated (again), although João Almeida finally dropped more than a handful of seconds, letting Mikel Landa move onto the podium.

25 May 2022, 14:54
Aaaaaand we jinxed it...

BOOOOOOO!!!!!! 

25 May 2022, 14:44
We can almost smell the pineapple pizza...

Giro d'Italia stage 17: 11.5km to go...Mathieu van der Poel is solo, climbing the final ascent to Monterovere, with a second stage win of the race (and a country-offending wager) on the line...

The Giro press team, looking at a week packed with mountains, seemed quite smug putting this one on the table...soon there could be a pineapple pizza on their table...

Without jinxing it...

25 May 2022, 14:06
Simon Yates OUT of Giro d'Italia

Eight stages after dropping out of the GC picture Simon Yates has abandoned the Giro. Despite another failed maglia rosa tilt, the Team BikeExchange-Jayco rider leaves the race with two stage wins, including one in a time trial...he's a confusing rider to pin down...

Hugh Carthy could be the latest Brit to win a stage of this year's race. Summitting the penultimate climb of the day, Carthy is pushing on in a group with Mathieu van der Poel, yesterday's winner Jan Hirt, KOM leader Koen Bouwman and GC yo-yo Guillaume Martin, amongst others...

25 May 2022, 13:18
Drum & Bass On The Bike returns to Brighton this Sunday
25 May 2022, 12:50
Warwickshire Police support Andy Cox Challenge
Andy Cox challenge (press release)

Warwickshire Road Safety partners showed their support to the runners, walkers and cyclists who set off at intervals from Warwickshire Police Headquarters in Leek Wootton on Wednesday 18 May 2022 to support the Andy Cox Challenge.

Warwickshire Police Deputy Chief Constable Alex Franklin-Smith, Chair of Warwickshire Road Safety Partnership and Warwickshire Police and Crime Commissioner Philip Seccombe, and Assistant Chief Fire Officer Barnaby Briggs thanked the participants who then set off on their 10-mile run or 20-mile cycle ride to raise awareness of road safety and much-needed funding for national charity RoadPeace for road crash victims in the UK. 

Warwickshire was not the only county taking part. The high-profile event led by road safety campaigner Detective Chief Supt Andy Cox saw police officers and staff from across the UK join forces to run, cycle, walk or travel by any other means across their force area, between 16-22 May 2022, and has raised over £60,000.

During the week, as Det Chief Supt Cox cycled or ran 30 miles a day across the UK on routes where fatal and serious road collisions have occurred, he was joined by a variety of high-profile fundraisers including NPCC lead for Roads Policing Chief Constable Jo Shiner, and on Wednesday, 18 May, Jeremy Vine, BBC Radio and C5 presenter when they talked about the importance of dashcam footage and Op Snap.

25 May 2022, 11:05
25 May 2022, 10:47
Spot the hard-as-nails DSM rider...
Giro stage 17 (GCN/Eurosport)

You sure you don't want a jacket? Not even arm warmers? Okay...

Heavy rain and 9°C atop Passo Del Tonale at the minute...and there's a sharp 15km descent followed by a steady downhill for 57km afterwards...let's hope the soigneurs or team car can get some layers over in time...

25 May 2022, 10:09
"It's actually quite impressive that they managed to make bike storage that fits as few bikes as possible": Your terrible tales of taking bikes on trains

Bike storage on trains is a topic which always gets people talking...probably because it's hard to have a positive experience...

Miller recalled taking "a bike on a GWR train recently, having booked a place, and had the pleasure of using the hook system. One bike took up most of the space, I wouldn't like to be wrestling two in there. I could only just get a 39mm deep rim with 34mm tyre onto the hook, anything deeper would have been impossible."

hawkinspeter summed it up nicely: "It's actually quite impressive that they managed to make bike storage that fits as few bikes as possible."

BalladOfStruth reckons: "getting a bike on a train has been made intentionally dificult."

"I currently commute to work by bike roughly 5 miles into the office. I'm due to move in August to the west coast of Wales, but keeping the same job on a remote contract. For the few days I will be required to be onsite, I was hoping to use the train as there's a 'station' a few miles cycle from where I'm moving to and a station at the end of the street the office is on.

"Because it's such a long train journey, it's quite difficult to miss the commuter trains and I obviously wont be able to get a bike on one of those. The only train I can realistically take is the indirect 10:00am train with four changes which means rolling the dice on being able to squeeze the bike onto five separate trains or ending up stranded 100+ miles from home or work.

"Despite being one of the more anti-car people around, who is willing to go to a fair bit of effort to find an alternative to a car journey, I think I'm going to drive."

AlsoSomniloquism said: "I've mentioned before, Virgin used to allow 'Only two bikes' into the storage area in the front engine compartment and only if booked in advance and have a destination ticket on it. Oh and not on certain 'rush hour' trains. I did use it once and you could have fitted six bikes minimum in the space allowed. However when I did follow all the rules and got back into Birmingham (where luckily the train ended). The 'train manager' decided to leave the train and I couldn't get my bike off as the door could only be opened from within with one of those key things. I said luckily the train ended as the driver (whose end I was at) appeared from his cab to leave and let me out."

Dnnnnnn added: "I've had that 'locked in' experience a few times, fortunately also only at the end of the route.

"On GWR's intercity trains, they only allow four bikes to be booked on, although I've counted 10 (badly designed) spaces on some. You're not meant to bring a bike without a reservation, of course, so there are intentionally six empty spaces and half a dozen disappointed potential passengers."

And it seems your experience of ScotRail might be slightly different to ours (admittedly based on photos and shiny press releases)...

BigSigh said: "I'd echo the advice that people not to turn up expecting all ScotRail trains have these carriages! The 153 (the one with all the bike spaces) only runs on the Glasgow to Oban route, only at certain times and, with the current emergency timetable, even some of those services have been removed for the foreseeable future. That said, the 156's always run on the Oban route (as well as ex.the Fort William and Mallaig route) and each unit (not carriage) has space for six bikes. But even then, remember to book. And take off any frame bags. Pretty much all the other trains are much more limited for bike spaces. I know there's been a lot of fanfare with the introduction on the bike carriages and praise here, but it's by no means the full picture."

mikecassie echoed the sentiment above: "The Inverness to Aberdeen train has only two spaces on the whole train and I couldn't fit my Bokeh with 38mm tyres into the hooks. The other storage method of a big horizontal U doesn't work if you have frame bags.  The trains run and what appears to be 50 per cent capacity at most and they could easily give up more space for bikes but they don't. Unless you are running a road bike with narrow bars and 23mm tyres on shallow rims the bike storage hooks are a joke."  

25 May 2022, 10:27
PAIN.

Someone go give him a hug...

25 May 2022, 09:43
DS Dan Martin's Giro preview

Here's what Dan thinks could happen on stage 17. It's breakaway bingo time...pick your riders and hope they make it. I'll go Koen Bouwman, Giulio Ciccone and Bauke Mollema. The two final climbs are hard enough to see some GC fireworks, will Carapaz and Hindley finally get rid of Almeida?  

25 May 2022, 09:16
Things you hate about being a cyclist?

Get your thoughts in for our latest podcast discussion topic...

 I'll go first: being cold on the bike. I know some of you will tell me to get better gloves, but you know when you can't feel your fingers, so can't change gear, think about eating etc...yeah, that...it's horrible...

Some of your suggestions...

25 May 2022, 09:00
25 May 2022, 08:42
The SECRET tech inside the Specialized S-Works Torch shoes

25 May 2022, 08:19
Biniam Girmay eyes return to training
Biniam Girmay injures eye at 2022 Giro (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Image: Zac Williams/SWpix.com

Intermarché–Wanty–Gobert have gone from, no offence, a fairly forgettable cycling team to one of the most enjoyable underdogs in the sport in the space of 12 heady months. First, Taco van der Hoorn's magical upset on stage three of last year's Giro d'Italia.

Then, at the Vuelta, Rein Taaramäe followed in his teammate's footsteps, winning stage three and, with it, wore the red leader's jersey the following day. Then, this seaon we've all been charmed by Biniam Girmay's meteoric rise to the top of the sport, climaxing with THAT Giro win (and unfortunate celebration)...and to top it all off Jan Hirt won yesterday's stage, while Domenico Pozzovivo sits sixth on GC.

Sorry, I got carried away with my Intermarché love-in...

Here's the news I was meant to be bringing you...according to his team, Biniam Girmay underwent a further medical screening in Belgium on Tuesday, following the eye injury he sustained during the Giro. There, it was decided he will need further rest and the history-maker is expected to resume training within the next ten days.

25 May 2022, 07:21
Bicycle storage on trains déjà vu — why does it have to be so painful?

So you want to see a new part of the country, or maybe you're doing an event which finishes a fair distance from home and don't want to ride your bike even further, or maybe you need to get somewhere at the other end of your train journey. There are countless scenarios where taking your bike on a train makes sense, and really should not be as difficult as it is...

If you're lucky your train will be empty and sympathetic staff might just let you keep an eye on it in the carriage. But even then it can be nice, especially on long journeys, to not have to worry about getting up at every station to make sure you aren't blocking anyone getting on or off. If that's my 'ideal option' then what's the 'bad option'? I'm sure this sort of set-up will need no introduction...

The struggle of taking your bike on trains (Image credit: Daniel Murphy/supplied)

Cargo bikers, mountain bikers, bikepackers, and pretty much anyone who doesn't fit the narrow race bike mould might as well not bother. Oh, what's that? It can be hard/impossible for many people to do the storage gymnastics required to get a bike up onto the racks? Nah, can't be, there's more than enough room for two in there...

road.cc reader Dan got in touch with the following far-too-familiar tale...

"We took the train down from Exeter to Penzance and found this tiny little space for our bikes," he said. "There is no way we could get both bikes up on the rack. Luckily the guard wasn't too fussy but what was wrong with the guard's van in the old days? I think you'd struggle to get two racing bikes in that space let alone a MTB or light cargo bike."

Of course, this isn't a new problem. In 2019, London North East Railway said it would work to identify where modifications can be made to the cycle storage on some of its new trains after Cycling UK said that the painfully familiar system now in use was "downright dangerous".

Editor Jack is one of the hundreds to have had a nightmare bike-transporting train journey. He once made the mistake of trying to get "a very lovely Argon 18 gravel bike with a snazzy Rotor 13-speed groupset to road.cc towers without getting it dirty" via a GWR service to London Paddington.

> Trying to take a very expensive bike on a GWR train is hard work

I'll let you enjoy the misery in all its glory, but for a taster: "road.cc reviews usually use a star-based system, but I've introduced another category especially for the purposes of reviewing GWR's bike storage (opinions my own, not necessarily representative of my employer). Until next time!"

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It seems some operators need to take a leaf out of ScotRail's spacious and practical book...

ScotRail bike carriage (via ScotRail on Twitter)

> ScotRail unveils forthcoming West Highland Line carriages with space for 20 bikes

Dan Alexander

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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I've not bothered to read the comments under the JV Emergency vehicle tweet but I guarantee there would be so many of them stating that without the cycle lane, the traffic wouldn't have been there in the first place. 

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Rendel Harris replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

I've not bothered to read the comments under the JV Emergency vehicle tweet but I guarantee there would be so many of them stating that without the cycle lane, the traffic wouldn't have been there in the first place. 

No doubt, and (as of course you know) they will all be cobblers. Blackfriars Bridge Road, which now has one of the best and most heavily used segregated cycle lanes in London, used pre-cycle lane regularly to be snarled up all the way from Elephant and Castle to the bridge and beyond in both directions. It was a common sight to see police cars and ambulances with their blues on impotently stuck in the middle of immovable traffic, now they can just hop into the cycle lane and they're away.

Some bright spark on these pages (sorry, can't remember who) suggested that all new cycle lanes should actually be called emergency vehicle lanes that cyclists may access when not being used by emergency services. It would certainly be interesting to see the cab trade and various other anti-cycling groups campaigning against better access and faster transit times for the emergency services.

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rivers | 2 years ago
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I have a bike-train-bike commute on one of the innercity express trains that goes into Paddington. I only have to ride 2 stops from my home station to work, but make sure I have a space booked every day. Sometimes, there is already 2 bikes (neither booked) into my booked space. Or the app has booked me a space in the carriage that doesn't stop at my short platform. It's a joke.
I've been trying to book a space for my trip to Plymouth in August and I can't. So that's fun...

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Hopefully some more on this tomorrow

https://twitter.com/MPSRoyal_Parks/status/1529467069720313857

A driver has been convicted at Lavender Hill Magistrates Court for driving without due care & attention after he collided with a cyclist in #RichmondPark He was fined a total of £570 and given 6 points on his driving licence

BUT

"Why are cyclists allowed to ride in parks"

 

 

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Cabbie, what do you expect.

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mdavidford | 2 years ago
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OK - which joker replaced Cav's playlist with the musical stylings of Andre Greipel?

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mdavidford | 2 years ago
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Things you hate about being a cyclist: being A Cyclist.

Just because I cycle doesn't mean that every conversation opener has to have something to do with cycling, every gift has to have a cycling connection, I spend every waking (and most sleeping) moments thinking about cycling, etc.

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hawkinspeter replied to mdavidford | 2 years ago
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mdavidford wrote:

Things you hate about being a cyclist: being A Cyclist.

Just because I cycle doesn't mean that every conversation opener has to have something to do with cycling, every gift has to have a cycling connection, I spend every waking (and most sleeping) moments thinking about cycling, etc.

Heretic!

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Surreyrider replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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Yeah - it's time he self-exiled from this site until he's mended his ways - sounds like it could be a while. 

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mark1a replied to mdavidford | 2 years ago
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Reminds me of this conversation that's happened in every workplace everywhere:

"There's a bloke in the office who has just taken up cycling..."

"How can you tell? He's lost weight, is much fitter? A noticable mental health improvement?"

"No, he won't shut up about it."

 

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Clem Fandango replied to mdavidford | 2 years ago
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Me arrivng in the office this morning:  "Morning"

Bloke at next desk: "Morning.  Did you ride in?"

"yes"

"I saw one of 'you lot' go through a red light in front of me on the way in.  Why do you do that? It makes me angry."

"*sigh*"

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hawkinspeter replied to Clem Fandango | 2 years ago
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Clem Fandango wrote:

Me arrivng in the office this morning:  "Morning"

Bloke at next desk: "Morning.  Did you ride in?"

"yes"

"I saw one of 'you lot' go through a red light in front of me on the way in.  Why do you do that? It makes me angry."

"*sigh*"

That's the time to sit down with diagrams of traffic flows and the problems associated with trying to pull away from traffic lights whilst pursued by vicious tonnes of metal death traps and how other countries encourage active transport by amending traffic light rules/behaviour to assist cyclists rather than penalising them.

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brooksby replied to Clem Fandango | 2 years ago
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Clem Fandango wrote:

Me arrivng in the office this morning:  "Morning"

Bloke at next desk: "Morning.  Did you ride in?"

"yes"

"I saw one of 'you lot' go through a red light in front of me on the way in.  Why do you do that? It makes me angry."

"*sigh*"

I suppose you could come back with,

"You drove in, then?  Well, I saw one of 'you lot' parked on a footway / talking on their phone / tailgating / <fill in the blank> - why do you do that? It makes me angry"

and you just know that they'd respond by saying

"Why are you asking me about the actions of someone I've never met?"

Collective responsibility only counts for cyclists, as any fule kno.

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Dnnnnnn replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

Collective responsibility only counts for cyclists, as any fule kno.

More the case for minority groups in general, I think.

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brooksby replied to Dnnnnnn | 2 years ago
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Dnnnnnn wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Collective responsibility only counts for cyclists, as any fule kno.

More the case for minority groups in general, I think.

I don't disagree.

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Rendel Harris replied to Clem Fandango | 2 years ago
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Discussion at a party a few years back:

Guest: [Host] tells me you're a pretty keen cyclist.

Me: Yes, I guess that's right.

Guest: I fucken hate cyclists.

Me: Well I'm none too keen on motorists, if I'm honest.

Guest: That's the trouble with you lot, so full of hate.

Somehow a beautiful friendship failed to flower...

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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The guest muffed his lines:

Guest: [Host] tells me you're an pretty keen "avid cyclist".

Me: Yes, I guess that's right.

Guest: I fucken hate cyclists too.

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Miller | 2 years ago
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I took a bike on a GWR train recently, having booked a place, and had the pleasure of using the hook system. One bike took up most of the space, I wouldn't like to be wrestling two in there. I could only just get a 39mm deep rim with 34mm tyre onto the hook, anything deeper would have been impossible. 

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hawkinspeter replied to Miller | 2 years ago
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Miller wrote:

I took a bike on a GWR train recently, having booked a place, and had the pleasure of using the hook system. One bike took up most of the space, I wouldn't like to be wrestling two in there. I could only just get a 39mm deep rim with 34mm tyre onto the hook, anything deeper would have been impossible. 

It's actually quite impressive that they managed to make bike storage that fits as few bikes as possible

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Dnnnnnn replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

​It's actually quite impressive that they managed to make bike storage that fits as few bikes as possible

Well, that was what the design brief called for...

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matt_cycles replied to Miller | 2 years ago
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In the project world, it's known as MVP. They've got a system onto the train to fit one bike and then never went back to deliver the full ask.

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nosferatu1001 replied to matt_cycles | 2 years ago
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To fit one subset of type "bike" you mean 😉

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chrisonabike replied to nosferatu1001 | 2 years ago
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matt_cycles wrote:

They've got a system onto the train to fit one bike and then never went back to deliver the full ask.

On some lines this is literally correct.

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vthejk replied to Miller | 2 years ago
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I am seriously worried about taking my bike on trains now tbh. At some point I shall have to fit a 650Bx2.1" knobbly tire into one of those hooks. I could barely fit a 47mm slick in....and this a 'gravel' bike so to speak. That's peanuts in MTB territory.

I almost hanker for the smelly, waste-filled but separate and horizontal carriage system used by Avanti.

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mikecassie | 2 years ago
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The Scotrail trains are not widespread so don't start blowing smoke up Scotrails arse, the majority of their trains are shit when it comes to bike storage.  The Inverness to Aberdeen train has only 2 spaces on the whole train and I couldn't fit my Bokeh with 38mm tyres into the hooks.  The other storage method of a big horizontal U doesn't work if you have frame bags.  The trains run and what appears to be 50% capacity at most and they could easily give up more space for bikes but they don't.  Unless you are running a road bike with narrow bars and 23mm tyres on shallow rims the bike storage hooks are a joke.  

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BigSigh replied to mikecassie | 2 years ago
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Yeah, I'd echo the advice that people not to turn up expecting all Scotrail trains have these carriages! The 153 (the one with all the bike spaces) only runs on the Glasgow to Oban route, only at certain times and, with the current emergency timetable, even some of those services have been removed for the foreseeable future. That said, the 156's always run on the Oban route (as well as ex.the Fort William and Mallaig route) and each unit (not carriage) has space for six bikes. But even then, remember to book. And take off any frame bags.
Pretty much all the other trains are much more limited for bike spaces. I know there's been a lot of fanfare with the introduction on the bike carriages and praise here, but it's by no means the full picture.

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Oldfatgit replied to BigSigh | 2 years ago
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The 'normal' trains on the Waverly - Glasgow line have a set of 3 fold up seats that you can strap bikes to.
Although, for some really strange reason, the strap is only long enough for 1 bike and a space that you could easy fit 4.
The rest of us have to gather in the doorways and the toilet corridor.

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chrisonabike replied to Oldfatgit | 2 years ago
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I've been the nuisance with the recumbent on that line.  I'm torn - this means there's more actual "space" than the "bike hanger" / "sticking out bracket" designs and you can make it work for non-standard bikes (or if you've frame luggage).  But as you say it can be much more of a PITA and good luck if there are youths having a bevvy on those seats...

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

I've been the nuisance with the recumbent on that line.  I'm torn - this means there's more actual "space" than the "bike hanger" / "sticking out bracket" designs and you can make it work for non-standard bikes (or if you've frame luggage).  But as you say it can be much more of a PITA and good luck if there are youths having a bevvy on those seats...

When I was taking my bike on the train regularly, I often made use of those flip-down seats/bike spaces. I never had any problems with youths sitting on them, but had the occasional older person that would try to refuse to move (I usually pointed out that they can sit anywhere on the train, but there was only one specific place that I could put my bike).

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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The problem is that it's rude to refuse and they're normally on the Buckfast or Sanatogen... and then there's the youths too.

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