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Pothole crisis worsened by heavy vehicles... but make cyclists pay road tax, concludes GB News journalist; Philippa York responds to Lance Armstrong trans comments; Alex Dowsett battles the club 10 (+ state of TT scene discussion) + more on the live blog

By the end of the day we'll be closer to the weekend than the start, not just any weekend either... a Tour de France weekend! Dan Alexander will be taking you through Wednesday on the live blog...

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28 June 2023, 07:56
Pothole crisis "made worse" by heavy vehicles... so make cyclists pay road tax, concludes GB News journalist

Let's kick off the live blog with some thoughts from GB News presenter Martin Daubney, whose Twitter bio proudly points out he was a "MEP [member of European Parliament] who voted the UK out of the EU" and works for "Britain's most-loved news brand"... I'll give you a second to work through that...

Daubney started off by sharing analysis by the University of Leeds, reported in the press, which suggested the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle — and 1.95 more than a diesel, concluding that larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads.

One replier called it an "excellent point"... adding, "I only use bicycles and a 125cc motorcycle that weighs 136kg, often two-up. Yet most people need 1200kg+ cars to move around alone. Let's quadruple council tax for anyone needing more than 500kg of vehicle per person, that's very lenient still." 

Say the line, Martin, say the line...

Our intrepid engager's response? 

And a few more for luck...

Media law trainer David Banks asked: "Is that the best you can do? I was batting away idiots like you when I was writing about biking 30 years ago and road tax was ancient history back then. You must be truly desperate for attention to dig up that old myth."

28 June 2023, 16:50
Kristen Faulkner's Tour de France Femmes in doubt after being hit by motorist during training
28 June 2023, 16:00
Professional cycling being a totally normal sport continued...

"Yeah, mate, you know how I told you about that team whose Tour de France kit is a human billboard for a walking trail in Israel? Here's another one..."

Is the middle pocket full of cut-price surprises you definitely don't need, but can't say no to? Are those sponsors actually fake brands made to look like the real thing's logo? So many questions... 

28 June 2023, 15:36
(Virtually) climb the Tour de France's toughest climbs on Zwift
Zwift climb portal

Zwift has launched a new climb portal, allowing users to climb ascents featured in the Tour de France and Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift. From 8pm BST on 30 June, Zwifters can ascend imaginary versions of real-world cols.

There will be two portals in Zwift: one just outside the volcano in Watopia, and one in France. The climbs available through the portals will change, but will take Zwifters to legendary climbs used in the Tour de France and Tour de France Femmes Avec Zwift during the month of July.

To access the portals, Zwifters can choose the portal climb options via a dedicated tile on their homepage, from within the routes list, or they can navigate their own way to the portals in-game if riding in Watopia or France. The Climb Portal routes will all feature a flat warmup, before Zwifters enter the portal and begin climbing. 

Some of the climbs included include Col d'Aspin, Puy de Dome and the Col du Tourmalet and each will see "the pitch and direction of the climbs perfectly match their real-world inspirations, giving Zwifters the realistic challenge of these climbs, as well as a completely new visual experience". In short, all of the suffering, just without the views...

28 June 2023, 14:32
Siesta guide to the Tour de France

I present to you the 2023 Pulitzer Prize-winning contribution to journalism. No, quite clearly not this live blog...  Pierre Breteau's siesta guide to the Tour de France, published in Le Monde...

And while we disagree that the breakaway-deciding early kilometres are nap worthy, we'll let it slide for the amusing and informative nature of Pierre's investigative work. Alternatively you can turn things upside down and just use the sleep schedule for a ranking for which stages promise the most excitement.  

28 June 2023, 13:24
Teenage cyclist injured by alleged hit-and-run, red light jumping motorist – hours before another 13-year-old was knocked off his bike in same town by pavement-mounting motorcyclist
28 June 2023, 13:09
Tom Pidcock: "Descending is something I love" but Gino Mäder death "hit home quite hard"
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Tom Pidcock has admitted the death of Gino Mäder at Tour de Suisse "hit home quite hard". Speaking to BBC Sport ahead of the Tour de France, Pidcock said "descending is something I love" and accepted that "risks are involved in cycling", suggesting, "we do what we can to mitigate those risks. But they'll never be gone."

"Obviously, it was a very emotional day for everyone in cycling and especially in Suisse and his teammates and family. Descending is part of our sport and, unless we all want to race around motor racing circuits, we have to accept we will be racing down descents and I guess this was a bit of a fluke — a tailwind into a corner that wasn't so sharp, but then it closed in a little bit."

> Fred Wright takes emotional victory at British national road race championships

Ineos team boss Rod Ellingworth also outlined how the day was "quite traumatic" for everyone, especially within the team as Magnus Sheffield had been involved in a separate crash and was seen walking away from the scene as help rushed to Mäder.

"It's tragic. In that moment Magnus [Sheffield] was in a separate crash and dealing with that post-incident has been quite traumatic," Ellingworth explained. "Gino was a good character — everyone knew him.

"The key here is that the [sport's world governing body] UCI and race organisers move together. We, as a team, work closely with the UCI on safety aspects. We are very active, constantly feeding back on anything in which safety could be improved.

"This sport is what it is — it's got beauty because of the mountains and everything. We all have a part to play to encourage the sport to get safer. But look at where they race — it's always going to have that element of danger I think."

28 June 2023, 12:20
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28 June 2023, 10:10
Mountain rescue attends Peak District incident as cyclist taken to hospital from beauty spot
Derwent Reservoir (CC BY 2.5/wikimedia commons)

A mountain rescue call was called after a holidaying cyclist fell near Derwent Reservoir on Monday afternoon at an inaccessible Peak District location. The Edale Mountain Resuce team assisted the rider to an ambulance where they were taken to hospital, The Star reports.

The team later released a statement saying: "A mid afternoon call from our duty controller to assist East Midlands Ambulance Service saw the team heading up the Derwent Valley towards Howden Dam, for our third callout in 24 hours. A group of friends holidaying in the Peak District had decided to take a bike ride around the Upper Derwent Reservoirs when one of them took a fall on loose gravel sustaining a possible shoulder dislocation or even fracture.

> "Complex rope rescue" after cyclist crashes from bridge into river

"As our first team members were arriving on scene, the ambulance crew were treating the casualty for their injuries. Once treated they were placed on the ambulance stretcher and into the ambulance for onward transport to hospital and further treatment."

28 June 2023, 09:57
"Urgent need to rebalance transport funding": Cycling UK reacts to Climate Change Committee report
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The Climate Change Committee, a government watchdog, has warned that the UK has lost its leadership on climate issues, citing government backing for new oil and coal, airport expansion and slow progress on heat pumps as evidence of the "worryingly slow" action.

The CCC report also warned that "continued delays in policy development and implementation" meant reaching emissions targets was "increasingly challenging".

Commenting on the report, Cycling UK's chief executive Sarah Mitchell said it shows there is an "urgent need to rebalance transport funding and stop relying on technological solutions to address tomorrow's problems".

"To meet net-zero the government needs to tackle its addiction to building roads, reverse the cuts to cycling and walking and invest in helping people drive less and cycle more," she said.

28 June 2023, 09:24
Professional cycling being a totally normal sport... example #3,958

"Yeah, so in our sport we have a team changing their kit for the biggest event of the year to promote an Israeli walking trail... how's the transfer window going?"

28 June 2023, 09:05
Philippa York responds to Lance Armstrong trans comments

You might have seen Monday's live blog...

> Lance Armstrong says he is "all too familiar" with being cancelled and is "uniquely positioned to have these conversations" as he enters trans athletes row

Armstrong couldn't help but nibble on a tweet pointing out a certain irony in "Lance Armstrong lecturing people about sports fairness", whatever you think, the no longer seven-time Tour winner responding: "I'm actually not lecturing anyone rather bringing all sides to the table and inviting rational and open dialogue. And I might add, having a conversation that almost nobody dares touch".

In reply to the reply, Armstrong wrote: "Philippa, allow me to make a few things clear. 1. I will never 'debate' you on this. I have a personal connection here which, if you took the time to listen, you would have heard. I support you.

"2. If you think I do anything these days to 'aid my image' you're grossly mistaken. I live the life that i want to lead and am cool w/ that. The only ones i want to impress are my family and loved ones. Spoiler alert — I'm winning this one.

"3. I'd encourage you (and others) to listen to the entire body of work. My goal was to speak to ALL sides of the dynamic and let folks decide for themselves. I am proud of the series and grateful to the folks who gave of their time."

28 June 2023, 08:22
Alex Dowsett battles the club 10 (+ state of UK TT scene discussion)
 

A pretty glitzy 10 at the Lee Valley VeloPark, mind. No car park sign-on or grass verge starts here...

Haven't been able to track down the results, but arguably the more interesting thing is the discussion it has prompted on event entries and participant numbers. Reporting that he was one of 80+ entries, Dowsett said he was "blown away" by the event's popularity.

"TTs up and down the country seem to be struggling for attendance so really awesome to see this so busy," he added.

Alex Dowsett Lee Valley 10 (Strava)

The event was apparently sold out in under a minute, a different world to many club TTs...

"We at Andover Wheelers are really struggling with our club TTs we had six for our last event," one person replied to Dowsett's post.

Steven Pink: "At Poole Wheelers we get >40 every week. The keys seems to be making it open and inclusive, easy to follow and consistent (and recognising road bike results severally helps). We have several club league tables too. Including scratch league in separate divisions and a handicap league."

Lizzy Archer: "Good to hear there are more popular ones. We get 40 for the flatter courses in Milton Keynes for the Monday night 10s. A few less when it's the more 'sporting' courses but still decent numbers."

James Pugh: "Latton TT in Wiltshire is going strong on a Thursday night. Regularly 40-50 riders."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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IanMK | 1 year ago
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Is there a link to the actual research? As I suggested yesterday, a ford transit is 2t+ at an entry level model before you start loading. Why is there no mention that the rise in home delivery might be increasing pot holes.

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Festus replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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One van loaded takes off the road the similar amount of cars as the parcels/shopping delivers, and now with the rise of heavy weight electric cars perhaps more people should shop online. Also to mention do electric cars pay road tax lol

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IanMK replied to Festus | 1 year ago
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I'm not sure that I've seen evidence that the rise in home deliveries has reduced mileage driven in cars. The convenience of home deliveries arguably increases 'free' time but if that is used to drive to your chosen activity....
The point is, as others have explained better than I, the Torygraph is trying to blame EVs for potholes to undermine progress away from the combustion engine without considering the problem in its entirety. Particularly, as I suspect (wild generalisation incoming) that many of their readership are driving large SUVs 😉

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lonpfrb replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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IanMK wrote:

Particularly, as I suspect (wild generalisation incoming) that many of their readership are driving large SUVs 😉

Scum of the Earth.

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ErnieC replied to lonpfrb | 1 year ago
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lonpfrb wrote:
IanMK wrote:

Particularly, as I suspect (wild generalisation incoming) that many of their readership are driving large SUVs 😉

Scum of the Earth.

Really?

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chrisonabike replied to ErnieC | 1 year ago
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I've no idea about the paper's demographic but large SUVs are really not helping.  Even though it may be initially tempting to say "no worse than the usual" or "it's just the politics of envy".

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ErnieC replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Bur scum of the earth because someone drives an SUV is a bit much no? 

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chrisonabike replied to ErnieC | 1 year ago
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ErnieC wrote:

Bur scum of the earth because someone drives an SUV is a bit much no? 

Not quite apt, I'd say. Better would be "super-elite of the earth further enhancing their status at the expense of everyone else by buying in to a motor industry regulation-dodging money-spinner" (our "honest tradesfolk" tend to use more "utile" vehicles).

That's not very snappy though.

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perce replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Can you still buy a small car these days?

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chrisonabike replied to perce | 1 year ago
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perce wrote:

Can you still buy a small car these days?

Other models are available.

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quiff replied to Festus | 1 year ago
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Festus wrote:

One van loaded takes off the road the similar amount of cars as the parcels/shopping delivers

That may or may not be true. Thinking about how personal habits have changed, I suspect that the wider availability of delivery means: (a) we now receive multiple doorstep deliveries to deliver what previously we might have collected from multiple shops on one trip to a shopping hub; and (b) we buy more 'stuff'.     

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Drinfinity replied to quiff | 1 year ago
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I would argue home delivery is more carbon efficient than driving individually, even before looking at low carbon delivery vehicles. 

My online shop might be 50kg, which I could do myself in a 1800 kg vehicle, or it could be combined with 1000kg of everyone else's in a 2500kg vehicle. So the one van is equivalent to 20 cars. 

The best option would be the last mile delivery is done by me or a courier with active transport of course.

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quiff replied to Drinfinity | 1 year ago
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On balance, probably. I was thinking less of the weekly grocery shop and more of the phenomenon of e.g. Amazon next day delivery of a widget weighing 100g, which might not previously have warranted a dedicated trip.     

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chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Where's the orginal though?  I can't find it, having got bored searching through all the dross in the churnalism articles rehashing the same news.

As far as I can see all the original did was match up similar models of vehicles and show the electric ones are all heavier - by up to a few 100 kilos.  They then applied the "axle weight to the fourth power" formula to predict the level of road stress (and hence damage).

That's all fair enough.  Not really news but good to remind people.  And it's still the case that large vehicles (delivery vans, buses, trucks) do an awful lot more damage per vehicle than cars.

The slightly sad bit is that all (again - haven't found the original) the conclude that therefore we need stronger roads to cope with the extra wear from electric vehicles.  (And - sensibly - we need to think about multi-storey garages).

Other possible conclusions are available e.g. maybe we should be incentivising smaller EVs and fewer of them?  Perhaps we should consider if we're losing the "war on pot holes" and seriously think about a change in approach?

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The Larger Cyclist replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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The problem with small EV's is that they (mostly) have small batteries so struggle with the range anxiety problem. Which leads on to charging infra issues. 

But people like to drive their SUV/W@nkPanzers irrespctive of drivetrain.....

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chrisonabike replied to The Larger Cyclist | 1 year ago
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The Larger Cyclist wrote:

The problem with small EV's is that they (mostly) have small batteries so struggle with the range anxiety problem. Which leads on to charging infra issues. 

But people like to drive their SUV/W@nkPanzers irrespctive of drivetrain.....

Indeed.  And it's "anxiety" mostly, the "but what if" complaint.  Change.  Few people ever drive their cars to the limit of their range (or even a more modest EV range, see below) in a day.

In fact the majority of journeys in the UK are of a length more suited to walking / cycling*.  Of course people may currently make several of those per day but that doesn't add up to between 80 - over 200 miles**.

However "what's the point of getting a car which won't even ..."

* In 2020 according to the UK government's National Travel Survey, 25% of trips were under 1 mile, and 71% under 5 miles.

** According to industry body SMMT the the average EV range increased from 74 miles in 2011 to over 260 miles in a decade.

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OnYerBike replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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I think it is slightly disingenuous of The Telegraph and other outlets which have since picked up the story to imply that these results were the conclusions of a proper scientific study. As far as I can tell, journalists at The Telegraph merely extracted the kerb weights of vehicles from a study (likely this one), but that is the only part of the "study" that was used - the kerb weights, which are easily available on Google. (Arguably the original Telegraph article is actually slightly clearer on this point, where as subsequent media - including this live blog - are more prone to making it sound like the entire analysis was carried out by University researchers).

From there, the journalists (as far as I can tell) simply took the ratio of the weights of the EV and matched ICEV, and raised it to the fourth power to give an estimate of the difference in the amount of road wear (e.g. Mitsubishi i-MiEV 1,185 kg; matched with Mitsubishi Mirage 1.0 920 kg - the EV causes (1185/920)^4 = 2.75 times as much damage). 

FWIW the research article I have linked above does also suggest EVs create greater road wear than the ICEV equivalent.

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lonpfrb replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

Perhaps we should consider if we're losing the "war on pot holes" and seriously think about a change in approach?

Graduated licensing:

  1. Walk
  2. Run
  3. Cycle
  4. Err, that's it
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mark1a | 1 year ago
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The "bloated EV" thing is bollox, the weight and bloat of a vehicle has more to do with size and design and less to do with fuel type. For example mid-size EV such as Tesla Model Y or Hyundai Ioniq 5 could weigh just under 2 tonnes, not much different from a diesel BMW 3 series. A small EV such as a BMW i3 is around 1.2 tonnes. A full-size Range Rover (not a battery or motor to be found) is around 2.7 tonnes.

The whole thing is a diversion tactic to persuade people that "petrol good, electricity bad" and put back the 2030 cut off for UK sales of new fossil fuel cars. Something that has been successfully done in the EU, the commission has already rowed back on the 2035 date with an exemption for so-called "e-fuels".

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to mark1a | 1 year ago
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I was watching a YT video, and there are safety concerns regarding American EV size and weight in a collision, especially when involved with city cars.

The Ford F150 Raptor EV was around 2500lb heavier than its ICE counterpart, which as a burly off roader was already a chunky vehicle.

The battery in the new Electric Hummer alone weighs as much as a large family hatchback.

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Hirsute replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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And those suvs in the USA are exempt from the normal ped safety rules.

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Owd Big 'Ead | 1 year ago
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Another slow news day?
It seems we have to put up with this nonsense far too often.
It's not like you are preaching to the converted, is it?

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Owd Big 'Ead replied to Owd Big 'Ead | 1 year ago
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Converted?

What am I saying?

Obviously Nigel in his latest guise as Knee Yo Anderson, or whatever daft moniker he has given himself this time will always play the contrarian, to get his kicks of being vocal against everyone, on everything.

Bores the fucking pants off me!

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Hirsute replied to Owd Big 'Ead | 1 year ago
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I'm afraid the only solution is to ignore and not reply.

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chrisonabike replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Seconded.  Had my allowance now.

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ktache replied to Owd Big 'Ead | 1 year ago
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Didn't a PBU have a difficult time with a pothole?

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