Surrey RoadSafe is a partnership between the county's police force and council "working to reduce the number of people killed and seriously injured on Surrey roads". So, what are we focusing on today? Speeding? Drink driving? Mobile phone use? Anti-social behaviour on the roads? Oh, right... telling cyclists how to ride to help improve visibility so... they don't get hit by drivers...
"Car/bike collisions can be avoided," we're told. "Use defensive action to ride safer!" the video continues. Because, as the graphic goes on to imply, if someone fails to give way and pulls out in front of you, causing a collision, the action we should all be seeking, to avoid such incidents is... cyclists riding in the middle of their lane so they are more visible.
Needless to say the Surrey RoadSafe partnership got plenty of feedback under the post... from those calling the advice "victim blaming", through to people pointing out it might be slightly useful to instead ask the cause of the collision pictured not to... well, you know... crash into cyclists because you didn't look properly to see an oncoming road user when pulling out at a junction?
Bob From Accounts called the video "victim blaming 101" and suggested "separate infrastructure is the only solution". VNS added that as cyclists we already know about riding in primary position in certain situations as it can be safer. Rather, he said, "It's drivers who think cyclists are being inconsiderate for doing this. Please also educate drivers. Drivers being the ones who are responsible for collisions like this."
Matthew: "Yeah, because it's definitely not the drivers failing to look properly. All you're doing is empowering drivers to blame cyclists for 'not riding correctly, so I couldn't see them'."
RedLaser4000: "Is this real? That was the fault of the driver pulling out without looking!"
Mustapha Cycle: "Nothing wrong with cyclists improving their visibility but maybe focus on the real offenders and less on the victims. Enforce the Highway Code rigidly and get the standard of driving back on track to an acceptable level."
Tim Pryce: "Problem is drivers then yell at you and close pass you for being 'in the middle of the road'."
Ian Bradbury: "We know and we do. The people you should direct this at are the drivers screaming 'get out of the middle of the road' and the eejits who paint murder strips at the side of the road and pretend they are cycle provision."
Incidentally, the UK's head of roads policing recently spoke at-length about her wishes for making the roads safer, highlighting the key areas of concern that addressing would bring about real-world change and a reduction in the number of deaths and serious injuries.
Jo Shiner urged stricter sentences for driving offences and warned that the "basic standard of driving has reduced" and puts cyclists and pedestrians at risk. She also suggested that deaths on the UK's roads have become "unseen" due to their frequency.
"We have over 1,700 deaths a year on our roads, we have got to look at it differently," she said. "Sometimes the reporting of those people who are killed or seriously injured barely features in the local papers anymore.
"Anti-social driving is really prevalent on our roads at the moment and we know that it is causing a lot of collisions and I think that's where in terms of the punishment fitting the crime we do need greater deterrence.
"So one of our focuses within our portfolio is on greater sentencing, so the ability for us to be able to actually increase the sentences which both magistrates and other courts can give, but also greater sentences.
"What I mean by that is that if you actually compare some of the sentences the drivers who do kill people because of the way in which they've drive on the roads versus maybe some other crimes in society, predominantly you see that those sentences are lower and that's just one example where I think families are not feeling that they do get the justice that sometimes they deserve.
"I think the basic standard of driving on our roads has reduced," she continued. "Using an indicator, being in the correct lane, actually knowing what the Highway Code says, knowing which lane to go in when you're going around a roundabout and also just calming down on our roads.
"You know, sometimes I see behaviours where people are just utterly impatient to get where they want to go, really not recognising the risks that are around them, that they're both creating for others but also that others are then potentially creating for them.
"So I think changing behaviours and changing minds is really, really important in terms of just calming people down and also trying to reinforce just how much damage a vehicle can do, particularly to other vulnerable road users, whether that's a pedestrian, a pedal cyclist, a horse rider, it's really important that people take responsibility for the risk that they could pose to others when they're behind the wheel."
We must have missed the bit about cyclists being more visible so they don't get hit.
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My local council, Wandsworth, moved some stop lines for motor traffic from before a cycle path to after the cycle path at some road junctions, now the traffic pulls across the cycle path and stops, making these junctions very dangerous for cyclists. Again, the needs of people in cars first, the safety of cyclists a distant second.
I was cycling to work in London a few years ago, I was going past Harrods when a car pulled out in front of me - lucky for me there was a big red bus in front of me, the car crashed into the bus - how can somebody in a car not see a big red bus in daylight and pull out in front of it!
So.... To follow their logic, any individual who is a victim of crime or is injured/killed by the actions or inaction of another person is to blame?
And pedestrians must wear hi-viz when crossing
any road?
And dark coloured vehicles must have hi-vis bonnets and boots/tailgates?
Perhaps just shorten the video to state, "don't ride a bike and you reduce your risk of being involved in a collision by 100%, oh - unless you're a pedestrian or driving another vehicle. Erm... maybe just stay at home and don't go out at all?"
Visability is key the number of bikers we see riding after dark wearing dark clothing and having no lights or reflectors also riding on the wrong side of the road at night dosen't help much . It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in bikers when we see them riding on a main road hands free because their texting . A few weeks ago I saw a group of youngsters traning for their proficiency there was no a single light or reflector on any of their bikes not the best of starts
Visibility is *good* but looking where you're going is key, no?
Apparently you're someone who's always getting ridden into by cyclists and is mentioning screen use here. I imagine you'd be less than thrilled if someone suggested you really need a wheelchair with more lights, reflectives and fluorescent material. Or that you should work on you situational awareness...
Still I'm glad to hear they're doing cycle training where you are. A good start. Next - if you're in the UK that is - they need to make places safer for them to cycle, and more convenient so there's a chance they continue.
It's a bot account. You can tell by late night posts, lack of context, vague descriptions of events and fixation on a single topic.
Possibly. That campaign suggests we should be safer if we try to engage the attention of drivers though and it's possible it's in control of a Tesla by day, so...
Cycling in the dark on the road with no lights especially on unlit roads is a mugs game. In daylight I would say not necessary, unless you have a road coloured bike and clothing then a little twinkle from a light might be a good idea.
However regarding their terrible infomercial I can tell you from painfull experience that the odd driver still pulls out even when they say they saw you. Then blames you for hitting them. So being seen is good, driving like a self righteous wrecking machine not so much.
Yeah, I know looking but not seeing alright. I'm a bit fatalistic now. I make an effort so I feel I have tried but don't expect I'm not invisible.
I also saw a group of youngsters training for their proficiency. 1966 I think it was. On a Tuesday.
just think how much easier it is to see those of us with lights, and they still don't see. Aside from the issue with cyclists not using lights when legally required. I find that seeing cyclists without lights or hi vis is not hard. Excepting when the weather is really bad (foggy/heavy rain/so overcast it might as well be dark). Most drivers will see you regardless of lights (in the day) and some just don't look at all.
In fact on sunny days It's normal to see a cyclist long before you can see their lights when approaching from behind.
they were doing cycle training after dark?
Yes. This. As a driver you are told to look for hazards. What if, instead of a cyclist, it was a black cat running from underneath parked cars? Much smaller, and less visible, even than a cyclist in all black. And good drivers can still successfully avoid them. And we don't tell cats they should wear hi-viz and lights!
https://road.cc/content/news/174381-hi-vis-paint-new-forest-ponies
Well, they rely on their eyes !
Since you were able to spot these youngsters on bikes even thought they did not have lights or reflectors, I'm going to eschew high-viz clothing when riding my bike from now on and simply strap a youngster to my handlebars.
Just when I thought cyclists couldn't sink lower in public esteem.
The witch that did the cable tie frayed cable thing should be burned at the stake because obviously they are in league with the devil!
Why is pointy cycle woman not wearing something more visible than a dark blue top and grey helmet if she wants to be seen easier?
A right-hand twist, but seems to be a follower of the left-hand path at work...
Maybe the videos are pitched at cyclists because they know we'll actually view them.
Although, as I'm not on Shitter or Turdagram, I wouldn't have known about them without Road.cc
"What I mean by that is that if you actually compare some of the sentences the drivers who do kill people because of the way in which they've drive on the roads versus maybe some other crimes in society, predominantly you see that those sentences are lower and that's just one example where I think families are not feeling that they do get the justice that sometimes they deserve."
M. Briggs, and with him the government and the opposition apparently couldn't care less...
Not sure how much more visible I could have been here...
This driver should have paused at the give way to allow for their view of me being temporarily blocked by the pedestrian crossing the road.
The road markings and "cycle lane" bollards should have been a big indicator that someone might be coming along on a bike and not to use those cycle lane markings as a give way line.
Most cyclists are faster than me and even with decent brakes might have ended up t-boning the driver's door.
https://youtu.be/vEeljHmz6KA
Can't work out whether the driver was only looking for cars or knew full well there might be a cyclist and didn't give a sh!t. Not great either way.
I think most drivers would be wary of doing anything that might damage their own vehicles and be even more concerned if someone else was to do so.
So to put their own vehicle in "harms way" indicates that she simply didn't look, given she use the cycle lane marking as a give way line.
I'm hoping the slight startle she got when seeing me so close would hopefully prevent it happening again.
But I won't hold my breath.
Politician rides bike
Providing an example of dangerous cycling that they want to legislate against?
He's hoping to stay in his seat...
Nice to see a dynamo on a bike as well (in contrast to the rider). Very practical!
... and tries to make it look ridiculous...
Look at that though. Out of touch politcal class type gets on bike. Has fun. That's awesome.
Obvs I've suspended my innate cynicism that it's no more than an electioneering photo op, but at least he's not in a Chelsea tractor whining about dangerous cycling laws and hi-viz tabards.
Jo Shiner ""Anti-social driving is really prevalent on our roads at the moment and we know that it is causing a lot of collisions and I think that's where in terms of the punishment fitting the crime we do need greater deterrence."
Comprehensive review of road laws, 2014, anyone?
Can someone get Jo Shiner:
a) a medal;
b) the world's biggest megaphone so she can shout that message out loud and clear in as many places as possible?
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