Met Police urges drivers to slow down after catching driver doing 110mph in a 30mph zone

Crazyhorse wrote:

In many civilised countries in Europe speed humps are installed on the entry and exit to every village in rural areas. These are clearly signed to motorists and physically prevent motor vehicles from entering populated areas at excessive speed. They do not seem to inhibit energency vehicles in their duties, but they provide a low-tech and effective solution to speeding in these areas with virtually zero ongoing costs (apart from re-painting periodically).

They are obviously not a complete solution as they do not address speeding on rural roads, but thay can surely be part of the solution. In the UK whenever they are installed they are usually done so very poorly, and/or are opposed vociferously by the motoring public (incl by many local residents!). But if the French and Spanish can accept this 'infringement on their liberties' (in the interests of protecting lives) then I see no reason why it should not be possible to do so here. They are cheaper and more effective than cameras, and limit speeds as effectively as GPS-based systems (which presumably can be bypassed by those willing to break the laws to put themselves first?)

My wife and i went out for a walk with our dog this morning. We went a bit further awya to a different park from usual, walking along a road near where we used to live. This road has had a bit of a rep as a racetrack for years and there have been some nasty crashes, so the council has installed numerous measures including pinch points and speed humps in a bid to tackle speeding. But it still doesn't seem to work. 

While we were walking, a car overtook another on the road (which now has a 20mph speed limit), continued on the wrong side of the road to avoid a speed hump and then veered sharply to avoid a cyclist who was doing nothing wrong at all. The fact is that some people in cars are idiots and will drive like idiots, no matter what.

We now have far fewer traffic police on UK roads, with enforcement having been taken over by speed cameras. 

two (among many)  problems with speed humps are that they slow down fire engines a lot beacuse of the way the equipment is attached to them and cars brake and then accelerate beween them. 

nicmason wrote:

two (among many)  problems with speed humps are that they slow down fire engines a lot beacuse of the way the equipment is attached to them and cars brake and then accelerate beween them. 

I know. It's terrible how the French villagers have all died in house fires as the engines take so much longer to arrive.

smartass sarcasm corner still open in the pandemic I see. Well  done.

Ourselves and other neighbours were sick of the amount of cars driving at high speed in a 40 zone.One local both with a motorbike and a car was a total menace.Neighbours tried to slow him down at the side of the road but he'd turn the car around and shout abuse.We couldn't read the registration of the bike because of the high speed.The police could only visit him and give him a warning.

Now we have set up a community speed watch and have the speed camera here.Only warnings can be issued and we  have to meet a high percentage of speeders before the police will station an official camera for a few hours.

The local council were not interested in the situation.They said that without fatalities then there is no reason to look at traffic calming measures.Basically it's up to us to try and reduce the speeds.

joeegg wrote:

The local council were not interested in the situation.They said that without fatalities then there is no reason to look at traffic calming measures.Basically it's up to us to try and reduce the speeds.

Basically, ‘please wait for someone to die before bothering us’. Astounding.

I think that's the attitude of most councils, unfortunately.

samcritchlow wrote:

joeegg wrote:

The local council were not interested in the situation.They said that without fatalities then there is no reason to look at traffic calming measures.Basically it's up to us to try and reduce the speeds.

Basically, ‘please wait for someone to die before bothering us’. Astounding.

In industry the same attitude would lead to jail time for directors. You can't just wait for a worker to die falling off a ladder before you take action. The whole of H&S regulation is premissed on mitigating all risk factors at the base of the triangle to prevent one fatality at the apex. If there is a fatality and it turns out the attitude was to wait for that before taking action against the identied risks then jail beckons.

We had exactly the situation you describe but in a 20mph zone. We tried everything: The Resident's Association,  police, local MP,  Cllrs, Community Speed Watch. They were all supportive - even the police wrote to the council to express their concerns!  The council said to us, I quote: 'when someone is killed we will look at measures to reduce traffic and speeding' 

We tried to explain that it wasn't just about death - it was about the local roads feeling like intimidating places to be. (And the noise, pollution, law breaking)

When we did the Community Speed Watch we and the police (PCSO) would clock dozens of speeding vehicles. And they were just sent a letter telling them off. (If the car was legit - if it wasn't registered it didn't even get that)  It was so frustrating, almost pointless. I have to say the Police were quite supportive - they assisted with the Speed Checks and did their own independent stops and checks (CSW is a 'civilian' operation even though it does have PCSO support and it does not have the power to stop) But the Police were only available once in a blue moon and kept repeating the mantra - only the council can fix this problem, they need to put in restrictions / measures. To which the council always replied 'speeding is a police matter'

Fuckin hell!! 

So we moved in the end. 

joeegg wrote:

Ourselves and other neighbours were sick of the amount of cars driving at high speed in a 40 zone.One local both with a motorbike and a car was a total menace.Neighbours tried to slow him down at the side of the road but he'd turn the car around and shout abuse.We couldn't read the registration of the bike because of the high speed.The police could only visit him and give him a warning.

Now we have set up a community speed watch and have the speed camera here.Only warnings can be issued and we  have to meet a high percentage of speeders before the police will station an official camera for a few hours.

The local council were not interested in the situation.They said that without fatalities then there is no reason to look at traffic calming measures.Basically it's up to us to try and reduce the speeds.

Hmmm, I don't wish to sound cynical but if the Council state they are not going to do anything until there is a fatality, ask for confirmation in writing, keep the letter very safe and when the fatality occurs pass the letter or a verified copy to the police to charge the Council leader with Corporate Manslaughter, they made a concious decision which resulted in a death so can pay the penalty.It will only take one conviction to overturn Council thinking.

I think this would need some thought about the psychology of drivers - it might be wonderful but might have unintended consequences.

Too many think the limit is actually the recommended speed, so they'd have their foot to the floor all the time, not thinking about whether the speed was safe for the conditions. Would they use the headspace released by not worrying about speeding to concentrate on other tasks, such as observation, or just drift off into slack jawed hypnosis?

My experience of contraflows with average speed cameras is that nobody keeps their distance from the vehicle in front, and truck drivers are particularly bad if they feel they are being held back by all of 2 mph. I do not think this makes anything safer for vehicles - though it might for the road mending crews.

I'm certainly with the speed bumps at village entrances though, and proper penalties for bad offenders. If jail is what it takes, bring it on. We will need more traffic policing to make a proper difference, and significant penalties for the offences that go with speeding - dodgy plates and other construction and use infringements. I would also be tempted to look at the penalties for driving without insurance, as that is still a major problem.

if drivers aren't careful we will start hearing tales of people leaving spike strips across the road to catch out speeding drivers >.>

got to stop them from hitting someone and putting a strain on the NHS after all, even if it means sending them to the ICU -_-"

Dao wrote:

here's a thought: catch a driver doing more than 2-3x the speed limit, take away their license for 5 years.

 

problem solved...

bUt iT wiLL pUt mA fAmiLEE iN eCoNoMiC haRDshiPPs.

Only if they have a parallel suspended prison sentence with a direct car to gaol activation on being caught breaching the ban.

hirsute wrote:

How the hell do you even get to 110? You'd need a lot of straight, unrestricted road But cyclists are the real danger as we all know.

Can only assume it was coming into a village or town where a NSL changes to a 30mph limit, rather than accelerating from zero to 110 in an urban area.

I can think of plenty of 30 mph roads in London where I could accelerate a reasonaby powerful car to that speed.  I live in an affluent area of North London (I'm not in case your wondering) and theres a lot of young men driving exremely powerful cars which could easily reach that speed quite quickly.

ktache wrote:

These are speeds that you would hope would result in bans and seizure of vehicles, these are not merely breaking speed limits, this is dangerous driving,

Points, fines etc, the only way to guarantee that the driver won't speed in that car again is seizure. Six months ought to give the driver time for reflection.
The police could also look at pre-crime! Drivers of cars with smoked out number plates are advertising their intention. And they are legion round these parts.

I've considered cycling with a sponge and waterpack on my back, every car I see with obscured license plates gets a free plate-wash.