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Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner denounces “full-Sky-replica-kit cyclists” riding “three or four abreast in front of me” and “ignoring red lights” – and says cyclists “don’t contribute in vehicle taxes”

Seemingly at odds with her own roads policing team – who have regularly taken to Twitter in the past to correct myths around cycling – Lisa Townsend denied being anti-cyclist, but said creating better cycling infrastructure was “not a priority”

While Surrey’s Roads Policing unit has gained a reputation over the years for debunking anti-cycling myths perpetuated by angry drivers – such as those surrounding riding two abreast, road tax, and ‘holding up’ traffic – it appears the message hasn’t got through to the county’s police and crime commissioner.

In a lifestyle article for the Guardian this week, Conservative politician Lisa Townsend claimed that “full-Sky-replica-kit Sunday cyclists” ignore red lights, cycle four abreast, and don’t deserve better infrastructure because they don’t pay “vehicle taxes”.

Townsend was appearing in the Guardian’s regular ‘Dining across the divide’ feature, which pits two people from different ends of the political spectrum together over a meal, during which they discuss the issues du jour.

Lisa Townsend, Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner (Lisa Townsend)

Lisa Townsend

In this week’s edition, Townsend, who replaced David Munro as Surrey’s Police and Crime Commissioner in 2021 before being re-elected this year, was paired with “left-leaning” human rights consultant David.

After discussing Rachel Reeves’ Budget, approaches to crime, and the drawbacks of tribal politics, talk eventually turned to cycling.

“David is half Dutch, and he talked about how terrible our cycling infrastructure is,” Townsend said after the dinner.

“I know it’s not great, but it would never be a political priority for me to give cyclists better infrastructure, particularly when they don’t contribute in vehicle taxes.”

She continued: “I’m not anti-cyclist. I’m anti the full-Sky-replica-kit Sunday cyclists who ignore red lights and drive three or four abreast in front of me.”

Responding to Townsend’s curious “not anti-cyclist” stance, David questioned her understanding of the UK’s implementation of Vehicle Excise Duty, the levy commonly mislabelled as ‘road tax’.

> 'Road tax' is coming... but not for cyclists

“Road tax for bicycles is unworkable. Bikes do use roads, but so do pedestrians, and dogs,” he noted.

“I recently got a hybrid car and the tax is very low. By that logic, if you’re reducing what’s paid for polluting vehicles to pretty negligible amounts for hybrids and electric cars, what would you charge for a bike? How would you enforce it?”

As noted above, Townsend’s attitude towards cyclists appears at odds with the reputation garnered by Surrey’s Roads Policing team, earning praise from cyclists for its active presence on Twitter, where it often challenged the kind of anti-cycling claims made by their Police and Crime Commissioner in the Guardian this week.

Close pass education (Surrey Police via Twitter).jpg

> Surrey Police suggest Twitter user is ‘too childish to drive’ in response to criticism of its close pass operation

In 2017, the force was applauded by cyclists for publishing a video instructing drivers on how to overtake cyclists safely, while in the same year it responded to one motorist’s criticism of a close pass operation by witheringly concluding that they were “too childish to drive”.

And in 2022, the roads policing team’s social media team conducted an experiment by running two polls asking drivers how long they spend on average a week stuck in traffic caused by other drivers and cyclists respectively, in a bid to highlight the often hypocritical claims made by motorists – like Townsend – that people on bikes are constantly ‘holding them up’.

However, the force’s standing among cyclists has taken a bit of hit in recent years, after a Freedom of Information request in May 2023 revealed that 80 percent of the almost 1,000 motorists accused of close passing a cyclist in Surrey over a 15-month spell were issued with warning letters, with only three being prosecuted.

Surrey Police responded to those figures by claiming that “in the majority of cases, issuing a warning letter is the most appropriate course of action”, due to the “evidential viability” of the submitted videos and the “associated threat, harm, and risk” of the driving offence committed.

The force also told road.cc that it “regularly” receives video submissions of alleged driving offences “from the same people”, and called on those who frequently submit close pass clips to “engage with us further and work together to tackle” issues around road safety.

> “Red lights mean stop for all road users”: Police post video of cyclist “flagrantly contravening multiple red lights” – but some say fined rider was “enhancing his safety” and avoiding “going shoulder to shoulder with two-tonne vehicles”

Earlier this year, the Surrey RoadSafe account also came in for some (albeit short-lived) criticism after it shared edited footage of cyclists fined for riding through red lights. In January, a video was posted showing a group ride of four cyclists at a junction in Esher, the footage being widely shared on social media and online.

As the riders made the right turn a police vehicle was being driven just behind, the driver rolling up to the stop line as the group turned across the junction, the police following moments before the group was stopped and issued fixed penalty notices.

Some, including a lawyer from Leigh Day law firm, questioned why the video was “unnecessarily cropped to show the cyclists already passed the stop line and not crossing this when the light is red?”

Surrey Police video of cyclists stopped for ignoring red light (@SurreyRS)

However, Surrey Police released the full unedited footage a day later, leading lawyer Rory McCarron to comment: “Thank you for showing the whole video. Justified FPN, no excuse. A lesson learned to the cyclists (and maybe the poster of the original video). Whilst this isn’t fatal 5, your work generally is applauded.”

And just last week, the force once again shared footage of the moment two cyclists riding metres in front of a Surrey Police vehicle were spotted jumping a red light, before being stopped and issued a fixed penalty notice, with the force telling its followers on social media that “red means stop”.

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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OnYerBike | 4 days ago
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Oh, the irony in a Police and Crime Commissioner pontificating on wasting taxpayer money. Although I suppose in this instance it's actually a relief that PCCs cannot influence police operational matters.

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ubercurmudgeon | 5 days ago
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Let's face it, the Police and Crime Commissioner "job" was invented to give party members who are so utterly and completely useless that they couldn't even make it as an MP or a regional mayor, something to do that'll "earn" them their eventual "rightful" place in the House of Lords.

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quiff | 5 days ago
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I saw someone in full Sky kit once. Sky jersey. Sky bibs. All the gear, I thought; bit much, I thought. Then I saw the branded helmet. And the Pinarello. And the Racing Jackets. It was G.

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Mr Blackbird replied to quiff | 4 days ago
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Reminds me of an incident about 10 years ago. I saw a group of about 200 men in lycra team kits ,riding about 10 abreast on the A6108 near Ripon. They were even occupying the opposite carriageway, as well as ignoring red traffic lights. There was a fleet of cars stuck behind them for miles, unable to pass. I was incensed when I found out that it was stage 1 of the Tour de France, and that most of the cyclists were foreign and didn't pay road tax.

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Cugel | 5 days ago
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A person oblivious to anything beyond the puerile Torygraph-installed prejudices & intolerances she sucks up each day then repeats like an automaton. Comes with other associated preferences that involve various cruelties as well as distain for "the other":

"Lisa: The food was fantastic, the chef did a lovely mixture from the menu for starters, then I had veal. David looked like somebody who, you know, lives in Surrey – a person I’d be friends with".

"Voting record Conservative – Lisa has been a party member since she was 17."

A tortured-calf eating woman who likes only people just like herself and will employ any alternative-facts available to demonise whatever and whoever The Spiv Party tells her to. Been that way since she was 17.

Bottled blighter-barmpot bonehead ........ . 89 guineas a quote, 25 extra for a pic showing vacuous ingratiating gurn.

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kingleo | 5 days ago
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Most people who go through red traffic lights are pedestrians. Most people who go through red traffic lights and kill somebody are motor vehicle users. The people who go through red traffic lights and get the most complaints from pedestrians, motor vehicle users and the media are cyclists.

 

 

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quiff replied to kingleo | 5 days ago
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Of course, going through a red traffic light as a pedestrian is not (in the UK) an offence, unlike the other two.

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Dnnnnnn replied to quiff | 5 days ago
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Just to be a smartarse, I would note that "jaywalking" IS an offence in Northern Ireland, and could include crossing against a red man.

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Clem Fandango | 5 days ago
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"it would never be a political priority for me to give cyclists better infrastructure...". Dear Lord.

No, I mean who'd want to protect the vulnerable & make roads safer? (they're not just for cars dear). Not when "they" are in front of me sometimes. How dare anybody hold me up (even though in the grand scheme of things they're probably not).

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IanMK replied to Clem Fandango | 5 days ago
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It seems an odd thing to say. Surely her priority should be road safety. Politicing shouldn't really come in to it.

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hawkinspeter | 5 days ago
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What about all those schools that they keep building along with all of those highly paid teachers that get almost as much time off as Gregg Wallace's agent? I have it on good authority that NONE of those kids has ever paid tax. And then they've got the cheek to want us to slow down whilst we drive past - who do they think we are, some kind of priest?

Look, I'm not anti-education, I just don't want to waste perfectly good tax money on non-tax-payers.

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 5 days ago
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Traffic lights? What are they for? All they do is turn red (then become established) and stop me?! Not being funny but we spend tax on this? That wouldn't be a political priority for me...

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thax1 replied to chrisonabike | 5 days ago
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Other people? In front of me? Not being funny - but they wouldn't be a priority for me.

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John Emms | 5 days ago
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Lisa, l hate to feel.that l need to educate you, but l do not contribute to any form of road tax either, and l drive two cars (as well as cycle for local journeys). Of course that is putting aside that Churchill ended the Road Fund License.
Of course we are all paying massive amounts for repair of the roads, even if we are part of the nearly 1/4 of the population who have no use of a car at all. And actually, anyone cycling is avoiding becoming a drain on the NHS by staying healthy, and drastically reducing the potential of becoming a drain on their district council through care costs as a result of becoming ill through inactivity.

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belugabob replied to John Emms | 4 days ago
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I just saw this post on the BBC, and thought...

1/ it's about time some diversion of funds went in the other direction
2/ Do folks not realise that more active travel means less traffic which means less damage to the roads...?
3/ Why do folks never want to look at the bigger picture?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wlk45lvn7o.amp

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Spangly Shiny replied to belugabob | 3 days ago
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Regular traveller through that area here, both on two wheels and four. I have watched that housing being erected from when it was scrub. Even today there is NO active travel infrastructure there, after more than 5 years watching the build. Sorry to have to inform, but Barnsley Council is LYING.

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eburtthebike replied to belugabob | 3 days ago
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Funny how the BBC reports money for roads being spent on AT, but never reports that money for AT is spent on roads.

I may have mentioned before that the BBC is biased.  Just once or twice.

Alright, 9, 737 times.

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thrawed | 5 days ago
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Yikes

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GMBasix replied to thrawed | 5 days ago
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Lisa Townsend wrote:

I’m not anti-cyclist...

but...

it's like, "I'm not racist... but..."

meanwhile, here is a timely reminder that cycle infrastructure is not primarily aimed at team-kit-wearing cyclists, but at enabling your 12-year-old child to be able to use the roads safely and with confidence. You know, like in a civilised country.

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