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Through traffic to be banned in parts of Bristol for ‘liveable neighbourhood’ scheme
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/through-traffic-banned-parts-bristol-8295492
This should be introduced towards the end of this year as an experimental trial - I wish it could happen sooner as it covers where I live. We had questionnaires about it during lockdown, though I think that was just about making Beaufort Rd (by the cemetery) one way to motorised traffic.
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Looks like some Barton Hill residents don't want the Liverpool Neighbourhood or at least not Marsh Lane to be a no-through-road:
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residents-take-streets-stop-liveable-9716152
I'm somewhat torn as I'm all for closing off roads to rat-running, but I also like that style of protesting - reminds me of Arthur Dent lying down in front of the bulldozer coming for his house.
More stuff: now we have some bus gates on Avonvale Rd and Pilemarsh. I have been looking at fixmystreet to see if anyone complains (or applauds) the LTN features, and this amused me
https://www.fixmystreet.com/report/6729314
It shows a brand new 'no motor vehicles sign' hidden behind vegetation.
Why didn't they clip the vegetation back? It can easily be challenged if the sign is obscured.
Are you quite mad? They're the sign installation department - not the hedge clipping department. Where would we be if every Tom, Dick, and Harry took it on themselves to go around clipping hedges? It would be chaos!
<sucks teeth> "Ah, well, you 'ave a point but it'd be moranmejobswurf"
I have sympathy for the sign installation guy. The vegetation is overhang from a private garden, so the sign guy may well be instructed to report only.
Incidentally, the bus gate enforcement will not begin right away. Apparently there will be some variable signs notifying that.
I've just been up Pilemarsh and there were quite a few cars using it too - I imagine quite a few drivers will get caught out when they start enforcement.
It didn't take long! My second time through and came across a delivery van driver mounting the pavement to get around the modal filter at the bottom of Beaufort Rd. He was quite apologetic but also seemed to think he had no option, even though the delivery address was right next to the filter.
Just the other day, Mrs HawkinsPeter remarked that our road seemed a lot quieter without all the rat-running and there's notably more traffic queues along Blackswarth Road (possibly also Church Road though I think that may already be saturated).
Meanwhile, here's a positive reaction to the planters that I saw being deployed next to St George's Park:
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/news-opinion/can-streets-anti-van-dweller-9696482
(I've got mixed feelings about moving on van dwellers, but they were taking over that section of the park which isn't really fair on other residents around there)
I saw that article - people saying 'can we have those planters everywhere to stop pavement parking' - but I suspect that the writers meant 'can we have those planters everywhere to stop other people pavement parking'
Driving is the best thing in the world, if it weren't for all those other drivers parking antisocially, parking in "our" spot, pulling in and out when we want to get through, driving poorly, making unnecessary journeys and causing congestion ... not to mention all the pollution they generate, the damage they do crashing into things AND the potholes they cause.
If only they'd just stop and let us get on with it... (also see the cycle-centric version of "if only we removed all the dangerous / bad drivers we'd have no problems on the roads / people would be happy to cycle there (instead)").
It looks to me as though pavement parking on Beaufort Road has increased since the filters arrived. Perhaps drivers think that it is OK now that the through traffic is gone.
I thought they were wanting them to stop large vehicles parking - most notably caravans that people live in. As the planters are on the road, they dont necessarily stop pavement parking, but would make it more awkward as the driver would have to turn in to the gap.
Previously, that particular corner of St George's Park had caravans/lorries all along the park and visibility was very much reduced, but it's not as though drivers can reach any speed along there anyway as the road is narrow and has a blind corner due to the houses anyway.
This is an interesting topic- it's good to see somewhere making some progress against the Tory/ Torygraph/ hyper-junk Mail-inspired routine Two Minute Hates in various parts of the country
It's about time - I created this topic back in 2023 and the scheme was supposed to be implemented towards the end of 2023. Still, better late than never. I wonder how much our Green-led council influenced this.
It wouldn't work at all where wtjs lives. That bloke with the no-MOT monster truck would barge them (edit:the planters) out of the way while the cops applauded.
It wouldn't work at all where wtjs lives
True- nothing works here owing to the determinedly anti-cyclist police b******s. This is the Stagecoach 42 bus this afternoon
https://upride.cc/incident/sk19evw_stagecoach42_closepass/
I notice that they've backpedalled (geddit!) a lot on Doing Something about pavement parking in Bristol, though.
They've got the concept of a plan for it
The first modal filter is in. I was impressed by how neatly done it looked on my way through, admittedly during the winter dark. No sign of unrest so far.
I went past the back of St George's Park yesterday and they were deploying big planters (with some kind of crane) around the corner of Lake View Rd and Park Crescent. I overheard someone talking to a car driver and they both agreed that it was much better than all the caravans that used to be there.
Haven't checked out Beaufort Rd yet (I'll be going along there tomorrow morning), but I'm hoping that's had something done with it.
Big heavy plant pots beat paint and signs any day of the week. Also they avoid being "for bloody cyclists - and I've only seen 3 this week" while potentially being very effective creating conditions where more people might cycle (or at least consider not driving that trip).
Just used Beaufort Rd and it's blocked at one end to cars with big planters (way too big to move without machinery). It was a lot more pleasant cycling along there as before there'd be a long queue of traffic to overtake with oncoming vehicles to dodge too.
...and now residents have been 'let down' by traffic scheme before it even starts: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/residents-let-down-traffic-scheme-9504500
Apparently, they need a pharmacy and a dentist instead, but there's both on Church Road just about 5 minutes away. There's also the Wellspring GP surgery, but they have trouble getting appointments there (I don't use it much, but haven't had an issue getting an appointment myself, though it's not usually the same day).
Good to see some LTN opposition classics.
"How can I achieve X when my road will be closed"
"Councils should fix the buses before introducing any limitations on cars"
"Councils should fix the NHS/schools/other things that definitely could be improved but are separate issues from traffic, before trying to reduce traffic"
I live here too.
The consultations in lockdown were indeed about the whole scheme - the Beaufort Road one way was part of an earlier proposal that was shelved following opposition from motorists arguing for their right to ratrun.
I think the part to watch will be Avonvale road (western half of the scheme). The scope of the change here is much larger than around Beaufort Rf, and will depend largely on bus gates rather than modal filters. We have seen in Exeter that motorists will ignore these without enforcement.
Avonvale Road is on my route to the station and it's certainly problematic with traffic. The number of times I see a bus being blocked in by queued traffic the other side of the traffic calming measures.
I use the same road every day. My usual experience is drivers failing to give way through the chicanes (I guess you have to pay road tax for priority to apply), but that route to the station also demonstrates the effectiveness of modal filters - imagine the ratrunning if drivers could make it through Queen Ann road to the station.
I got a taxi driver into trouble once with A&S police by submitting a video of them racing through the traffic calming.
Queen Ann Road is a bit of a mess at the moment what with the building work going on. I used to go fairly fast through the tunnel, but now you can't tell if you're going to be running into the back of a lorry.
I'm not brave enough to go through at more than jogging pace...
A couple of weeks ago someone added signs saying 'cyclists be aware high speed traffic ahead slow down', with a 'no cycling' graphic (not the correct graphic, something like a 'no smoking sign, red slash through a bicycle). I was annoyed enough to photograph it for fixmystreet, and had a result. Exciting, huh?
https://www.fixmystreet.com/report/6577120
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