Lancashire Constabulary Crack Image Interpretation Squad Aptitude Test

ktache wrote:

One thing I don't see is brake lights on that Audi.

If the car is stationary at the lights, there would be none as the hand brake should be on.
Obviously if the car is not stopping then there would be none either. Only if the car had tried to stop and failed.

Sriracha wrote:

I never even realised the wheels were the threshold. That should come as a comfort to pedestrians hit by the actual front of the car, etc.

yes its the wheels crossing that count, but if the wheel stop behind the line, anyone crossing the road should not be hit, the distance between wheels and bumper is quite small.

However, regardless of the phase of the lights, if the cfar huts a pedestrian already in the road, then questions should be asked.

As to the origianl image, even if Lancashire police are umable to tell for certain whether the car crossed on amber or red, it most definiately did not cross on green, so an offence either way.

Unsafe to stop? no, because no other vehicle is following closely behind.

wycombewheeler wrote:

Sriracha wrote:

I never even realised the wheels were the threshold. That should come as a comfort to pedestrians hit by the actual front of the car, etc.

yes its the wheels crossing that count, but if the wheel stop behind the line, anyone crossing the road should not be hit, the distance between wheels and bumper is quite small.

The offence is committed if the vehicle proceeds over the line when the signal is anything but green.  

Rule 175 says "You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green."

The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, reg 36(1)(a),  says, "...the red signal shall convey the prohibition that vehicular traffic shall not proceed beyond the stop line"

There is no provision for part of the vehicle, such as the part between the front wheel and the tip of the bumper, to be excepted from this regulation.  Online legal web sites consistently refer to this as applying to any part of the vehicle.

That doesn't necessarily mean that no part of the vehicle may be over the line once stopped, just that the movement that got it there must not have happened on red (or amber if the car could have stopped safely).