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Manufacturers return to rim brakes

What do we reckon the chances are that manufacturers like Shimano will start making rim brake groupsets across the range again? I'm not sure who started it, the frame or groupset manufacturers, but the move to disc brakes by default is bad. There's no reason why they can't start to move back again when they see people still wanting the simplicity and reliability of rim brakes. Same for narrow tyres. I ride with 23 mm tyres all year round because they're simply faster. Shame to see the death of the proper road bike as every bike slowly turns into a gravel bike. We even saw this when gravel bike races started being won on 'road' bikes... Give the consumer more choice! Now that this has been featured on Twitter I would like to add that disc brakes are a psy op.

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marmotte27 replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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"yet all the teams have switched to disk brakes" and now have to carry around a couple of spare bikes per each rider instead of spare wheels in case of a flat.

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Creakingcrank replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Two advantages of 23mm tyres over wider ones:

1) They are always in stock, and sometimes a bit cheaper, because they are totally uncool.

2) They fit into that old road frame you bought when "close clearances" were a thing.

I like 23mm tyres so much I was going to start a blog about them called "23 and me", but the angry letters from Californian lawyers soon put a stop to that.

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Rendel Harris replied to Creakingcrank | 1 year ago
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Whatever floats your boat, great, for me "easy to get because nobody wants them" and "they will fit on a bike that's not designed to take tyres that are more comfortable and will run at the same speed or better" isn't the most resounding recommendation.

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Whatever floats your boat, great, for me "easy to get because nobody wants them" and "they will fit on a bike that's not designed to take tyres that are more comfortable and will run at the same speed or better" isn't the most resounding recommendation.

To be fair, the second one is a pretty killer recommendation if that is the frame you have.

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Jimmy Ray Will replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Looking at the pros, they seem to be sticking to 25mm tyres for the majority of racing. 28mm and wider for known rougher more challenging days, but the standard still seems to be 25mm. 

I'm personally torn for this season as to which way to go... 28mm for the corners (primiarly racing crits), or 25mm for the pure speed. It's certainly not a given that 28mm is faster in all situations, but for most applications wider provides a better compromise. 

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Rendel Harris replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 1 year ago
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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

I'm personally torn for this season as to which way to go... 28mm for the corners (primiarly racing crits), or 25mm for the pure speed. It's certainly not a given that 28mm is faster in all situations, but for most applications wider provides a better compromise. 

Have you considered a hybrid mix? I've been forced to because my road bike can't take more than 25 mm on the front but can (just) take a 28 mm on the rear. Since I put a 28 mm on the rear it definitely feels more surefooted when cornering and I believe (though this is solely my subjective impression) that the better grip allows me to accelerate faster and my Garmin data seems to show (I say seems because I haven't done any experiments with exactly the same set up in exactly the same conditions) a small gain of around half a kilometre per hour at 250W. It's very definitely more comfortable as well.

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peted76 replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

I'm personally torn for this season as to which way to go... 28mm for the corners (primiarly racing crits), or 25mm for the pure speed. It's certainly not a given that 28mm is faster in all situations, but for most applications wider provides a better compromise. 

Have you considered a hybrid mix? I've been forced to because my road bike can't take more than 25 mm on the front but can (just) take a 28 mm on the rear. Since I put a 28 mm on the rear it definitely feels more surefooted when cornering and I believe (though this is solely my subjective impression) that the better grip allows me to accelerate faster and my Garmin data seems to show (I say seems because I haven't done any experiments with exactly the same set up in exactly the same conditions) a small gain of around half a kilometre per hour at 250W. It's very definitely more comfortable as well.

I run a 25mm (real world 26.5) front and 28mm (real world 30) rear and love it. 

Prior to that I ran 23mm front (real world 26.5) and 25mm rear (real world 30mm) and people would turn their noses up at my lack of progressive thinking and old school ways.  

 

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andystow replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 1 year ago
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Jimmy Ray Will wrote:

Looking at the pros, they seem to be sticking to 25mm tyres for the majority of racing. 28mm and wider for known rougher more challenging days, but the standard still seems to be 25mm. 

I'm personally torn for this season as to which way to go... 28mm for the corners (primiarly racing crits), or 25mm for the pure speed. It's certainly not a given that 28mm is faster in all situations, but for most applications wider provides a better compromise. 

I believe at least one team got noticed riding on (if I recall correctly) 28 mm relabelled as 25 mm a few years ago, either to fool the other teams, or their own riders (who like ChuckSneed would KNOW the FACT that they needed skinnier tyres to go faster.)

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bobbinogs replied to andystow | 1 year ago
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I moved to this combo a few seasons ago and really like it.  All subjective, but having the 28mm to provide extra traction and comfort at the back, whilst keeping the front at 25mm seems to be a great balance all round.

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Reiver2768 | 1 year ago
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In 5 or 10 years rim brakes will come back as manufactuers start pushing them as the the next big thing - claiming them to be lighter, more aero, easier to maintain and so on.  Everybody will be encouraged to get rid of their disc braked bikes to embrace the advantages of this "new" technology.  It was ever thus.

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Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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There will always be a market for retro-chique. Nowt wrong with a good rod operated stirrup brake setup in my opinion and very classy on an urban commuter.

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SimoninSpalding replied to Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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*Unless you actually want to stop.

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Mungecrundle replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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SimoninSpalding wrote:

*Unless you actually want to stop.

Tish and pish! If you are going to take that line of argument, why, we'd all be riding around on disk braked bicycles.

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matthewn5 replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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SimoninSpalding wrote:

*Unless you actually want to stop.

My problem isn't stopping, it's going.

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Daclu Trelub replied to Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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Mungecrundle wrote:

There will always be a market for retro-chique. Nowt wrong with a good rod operated stirrup brake setup in my opinion and very classy on an urban commuter.

I favour the wooden wedge approach, but each to their own.

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kil0ran | 1 year ago
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Most things in cycling go in cycles. I've got a poster of bikes from over 100 years ago - custom frame bags, dropped stays, passive suspension all feature. There's certainly something to be said for simplicity and not following what the pros use - it's easy and cheap to build a 7kg rim brake bike, that's not the case for discs. What it means is that the price of an entry level bike is higher, components might be a group level lower, etc. I mostly ride discs these days, particularly in winter but my cheap rim brake bike also puts a smile on my face.

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