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Met Police - learning results of submissions

London camera cyclists may be interested to know that, according to a response I've just received from the traffic public reporting team (after I said that if they wouldn't tell me the outcome of a submission I would have to make an FOI request for it) that apparently "a project is underway and hopefully will be live in December 2024, where you will be able to view the results of Public Reporting traffic offences." That would be a definite step forward if it comes to pass!

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belugabob | 3 hours ago
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I'm loving this thread - no road tax (VED), but lots of Roman taxonomy(Vedi)

(Yes, I'm also mentally scarred from having to study latin at school, but this did mean that I laughed louder than most, at the scene in Life of Brian.)

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wtjs | 3 weeks ago
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We're approaching half way through December 24 now- any progress on the Met's hopefully will be live in December 2024, where you will be able to view the results of Public Reporting traffic offences?

I'm compiling my evidence to APPGCW, and pointing out the great lengths the police go to in covering-up that they didn't do anything about offences against cyclists. Lancashire refused to tell me, citing the usual GDPR distortion, while Northampton puts out huge lists of what happened in all their cases- you just have to know the reference number to find the relevant case on the published spreadsheet. So is the Carrick-Couzens Memorial Police Force going to come up with the promised counterpart to the Northampton scheme?

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Rendel Harris replied to wtjs | 3 weeks ago
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Of course not! I will be chasing up after Christmas, no point in doing so now as they will just point to "hopefully" and "in December".

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wtjs | 1 month ago
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I'm pleased to say I didn't 'do' Latin, but I was also pleased to learn the origin of 'laconic'

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Bungle_52 | 1 month ago
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Gloucestershire have told me the outcomes to nearly all my reports. I have to wait 12 months to find out now whereas I got them immediately before 2023. They are rarely the outcomes I want but it just highlights the inconsistency between forces. Gloucestershire will now only send an advisory letter for a close pass no matter how close (used to be NFA until recently) but will tell you the outcome where as other forces are the exact opposite.

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David W | 1 month ago
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Semper ubi sub ubi (nisi sub lycra?)

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jaymack replied to David W | 1 month ago
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While I suspect the Met would prefer the term 'caput tuum usque asinus tuus' when refering to we cyclist you shall have have both a 'like' and a cheery comment just for brightening my Wednesday morning.

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wtjs | 1 month ago
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after I said that if they wouldn't tell me the outcome of a submission I would have to make an FOI request for it

This has been discussed at length before, but it's a lot to read. I don't think the police are worried by threats to make FoI requests because they will simply refuse them. Here is the Information Commissioner's Decision Notice on my attempt to expose the police lying about taking action over this case. They did essentially nothing- most likely a joke advice letter

https://upride.cc/incident/4148vz_travellerschoicecoach_closepass/

This proposed Met scheme to reveal all follows the Northamptonshire Police equivalent, which I was informed about by HoarseMann last year. There's a mass of information in there, but without the reference you won't find out much- nearly all of the offences against cyclists will be shown at the top end of the spreadsheet if it's sorted 'Ascending' on the Offence Description column, but they'll be hidden under the great mass of 'Driving without due care and attention' and you won't be able to find ones involving cyclists. I haven't spent much time on this because what I want is information on Lancashire Constabulary- and they're prepared to spend an almost infinite amount of time and money on making sure I don't get it.

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Hirsute | 1 month ago
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Romanes eunt domus

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 1 month ago
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Hirsute wrote:

Romanes eunt domus

People called Romanes they go the house?

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 1 month ago
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Try running it though a spelling and grammar checker?

"Romans eat dormouse"?

I'm not sure that is relevant, but it is at least factually correct.  (Actually anything which helps to reduce rodent populations is probably a good idea).

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mdavidford replied to chrisonabike | 1 month ago
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chrisonabike wrote:

"Romans eat dormouse"?

What about squirrels, though?

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hawkinspeter replied to mdavidford | 1 month ago
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mdavidford wrote:

What about squirrels, though?

https://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/squirrel-celeriac-lasagne-recipe

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 1 month ago
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That is some rustic sashimi there...

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belugabob replied to hawkinspeter | 4 hours ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

What about squirrels, though?

https://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/squirrel-celeriac-lasagne-recipe

Did grey squirrels co-exist with the Romans (in mainland Europe)?

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hawkinspeter replied to belugabob | 3 hours ago
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belugabob wrote:
hawkinspeter wrote:

https://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/squirrel-celeriac-lasagne-recipe

Did grey squirrels co-exist with the Romans (in mainland Europe)?

No - they're a more recent American import. We (UK) got them in 1876 and Europe waited until 1948 to get them (more specifically, in Stupinigi, Italy).

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JLasTSR replied to Hirsute | 3 weeks ago
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Now boy did you forget your Latin? What case should it be in, write it out 100 times all over this nice clean wall. Romani ite domum.

Abbreviated from Monty Python

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wtjs | 1 month ago
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Just remember the LancsFilth Dodge! They refused to tell me what they actually DID when they claimed they would take action after a gross offence by a bus driver. FoI, ICO, Information Tribunal procedure terminated by the Upper Tier Tribunal when I was refused leave to appeal there. That takes ages so I'm going to repeat the FoI request soon. They're prepared to spend all that time and effort refusing - obviously because what they did was send the joke advice letter or did nothing at all. They don't like lying in print!

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belugabob replied to wtjs | 4 hours ago
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wtjs wrote:

Just remember the LancsFilth Dodge! They refused to tell me what they actually DID when they claimed they would take action after a gross offence by a bus driver. FoI, ICO, Information Tribunal procedure terminated by the Upper Tier Tribunal when I was refused leave to appeal there. That takes ages so I'm going to repeat the FoI request soon. They're prepared to spend all that time and effort refusing - obviously because what they did was send the joke advice letter or did nothing at all. They don't like lying in print!

Nice use of 'Tribunal', in a non-Roman context

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jaymack | 1 month ago
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I'm reminded of King Leonidas's comment at Thermopylae "...if".

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Rendel Harris replied to jaymack | 1 month ago
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jaymack wrote:

I'm reminded of King Leonidas's comment at Thermopylae "...if".

Spartan response to Philip II of Macedon ("If I invade Laconia you shall never rise again!" Spartan response: "If.") I think, a century after Thermopylae, but yes, we shall see...

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momove replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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You two are going to have to help out the undereducated here!

On a side note, very happy to hear the Met may be publishing the outcomes of reporting. Will have to wait and see what it ends up being.

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Rendel Harris replied to momove | 1 month ago
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The Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC) was one of the most important battles of the ancient world, where 7,000 Greeks, led by the Spartans under Leonidas, defeated a Persian invasion force under Xerxes of between 120,000-300,000 men. 140-odd years later Greece was invaded by Philip II of Macedon; having defeated several of her city states, he sent the message to Sparta as above, "If I invade Laconia you shall never rise again!" to which the Spartans replied "If." This is the origin of the word "laconic" meaning brief and to the point, Laconia being the region of which Sparta was the capital.

On the sidenote, yes it will be interesting to see whether they fulfil their promise, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment. The email I received yesterday promised that not only would cases be listed in future but there would be access to historical cases as well so it will be interesting to catch up on old submissions where no information has been provided apart from the fact that in an NIP was issued.

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momove replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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Cheers for the lesson! Wasn't expecting one so was pleasantly surprised, especially getting to find the origin of "laconic"!

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JLasTSR replied to Rendel Harris | 3 weeks ago
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Thermopylae is generally thought of as a Persian victory as they killed every Greek and those Greeks that were sent away when they found out Xerxes had circumvented them retreated, the 300 Spartans and some allies then held the Persians up for a further day but were all killed. The naval battle Salamis was the really big defeat for the Persians and Platea was a bit of an undecided one but the Persians retreated so the Greeks are probably justified in claiming it. 

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Rendel Harris replied to JLasTSR | 3 weeks ago
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Yes, that's a fair enough way of looking at it. I suppose it's in some ways the same as the Blitz in World War II, by any objective measure the Germans won the Blitz, having killed so many and destroyed so much of Britain's infrastructure, but the British just managed to hold them off enough to prevent an invasion, so in the wider context it's a British victory.

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mdavidford replied to JLasTSR | 3 weeks ago
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JLasTSR wrote:

Platea was a bit of an undecided one but the Persians retreated so the Greeks are probably justified in claiming it. 

They were handed the victory on a Platea?

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Mr Blackbird replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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Readers may be interested to hear that the war was started when the Greek philosopher Idsius (who Plato later described as a bit of a numpty) proposed abolishing horse lanes which were used to provide segregation from close passing chariots. Idsius also proposed that all horseriders wear Greek alphabet plates, as this would eliminate all known traffic safety issues.
The Persians on the other hand were very pro safe horse riding and had recently expanded their lane network, with several redesigned roundabouts, including the famous Mashad double decker gyratory system. When the Persians heard about Idsius' proposals,they were enraged and invaded.

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jaymack replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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My blunder will have those that had the thankless task of teaching me Latin & Greek to be turning in their graves!

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Rendel Harris replied to jaymack | 1 month ago
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jaymack wrote:

My blunder will have those that had the thankless task of teaching me Latin & Greek to be turning in their graves!

My posts would have those who had the similarly thankless task of teaching me leaping from their graves and crying, "My God, it's only taken 40 years but Harris has actually remembered something at last!"

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