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Vigilante Cyclists

I had a disconcerting experience today. I was driving behind a cyclist on a mountain bike on the road. He was cycling slowly but all was ok. I waited to pass then overtook giving him room but then there was crossing furniture ahead and I had to turn in a little before I would have liked but not dangerously as I took account of the speed of the cyclist and the other hazards around. I stopped in a queue and he tapped on my window. He told me I'd cut him up dangerously and had it all on his camera. I said I thought I'd been ok and not cut him up but I apologised if he thought I had. His response was to call me a c**t and I was to apologise 'to the fine' when I receive it. I checked my dash cam which was inconclusive so maybe I'll get to see his version one day. The thing was when I thought about it after I now think he was deliberately encouraging a situation where he had to be overtaken and was looking to be cut up or have someone overtake too closely. I'm all for safety and I cycle a lot and am for ever getting cut up etc (six stitches in hand after car door opened on me late last year) but I think we (cyclists) have to be careful not to fuel the bike v car debate by acting in such a way. Today I was a driver and tomorrow a cyclist - we're all in this together and both drivers and cyclists must learn that we all make mistakes (I don't think I did but we shall see) so we mustn't assume that the other party is a c**t just because we're in the other transportation category. He certainly didn't help the cause of the rest of us cyclists by being so abusive. Comments or views?

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Hirsute replied to John Stevenson | 2 years ago
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Were they a PBU ?

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John Stevenson replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Not as far as I can tell; the account was far from new.

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GMBasix | 2 years ago
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The situation, as described, has all the hallmarks of a story contrived to make it sound like the driver is plausibly defending his actions, while everybody else can see the situation for what it is.

Video. Or this never happened.

I mean, of course it happened - it happens every day - but not this instance on this occasion.

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David9694 | 2 years ago
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Innocent motorist alert: "...I now think he was deliberately encouraging a situation where he had to be overtaken and was looking to be cut up or have someone overtake too closely."

Mate, none of us is desperate to want to tangle unnecessarily with police bureaucracy, we just don't have the time. But we are fed up with drivers doing the sort of thing you describe and then the wall of denial (turning sometimes into bemusement and sometimes abuse) gets erected.

So far for me: An iffy overtake, check reg when home suprise suprise no MOT, pull off some footage (having gone to expense of a camera, bother of charging it, clearing the memory card) figure out crappy police upload system, get a response, send in some more. Receive in the post a statement form to complete.  Haven't got round to it yet. All for one driver clearly out with an expired MOT.

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wtjs | 2 years ago
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2 posts and 'why can't we all just get along?'. Guilty.

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Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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 I waited to pass then overtook giving him room but then there was crossing furniture ahead and I had to turn in a little before I would have liked but not dangerously

It was either safe, in which case why was it "a little before I would have liked", or it wasn't, in which case you shouldn't have done it. As the cyclist - on an MTB so presumably not going at TT speeds - caught up with you "in a queue" that begs the question of why did you overtake at all? You ended up in the same place that you would have done without overtaking, didn't you?

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Eton Rifle | 2 years ago
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It sounds as though Boo has got himself yet another new account. Poor fucker clearly didn't get enough attention as a child.

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wtjs | 2 years ago
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I cycle a lot

Another version of 'I'm a cyclist myself' and I don't recall the poster's daft name. My troll-meter is clicking...

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BalladOfStruth | 2 years ago
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"I waited to pass then overtook giving him room but then there was crossing furniture ahead and I had to turn in a little before I would have liked..."

 

Why did you try to overtake if there was road furniture there? You've already said he was cycling slowly, so it's not like he was putting the hammer down and it took you longer to get past than you initially thought - sounds to me like you pulled off a careless overtake and earned a chewing out from a cyclist. Whether his reaction was proportionate, we can't say without the dashcam footage.

Take it as a learning experience to look ahead and plan your overtakes better...

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AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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I waited to pass then overtook giving him room but then there was crossing furniture ahead

You make it sound like it suddenly jumped out and surprised you. 

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and I had to turn in a little before I would have liked but not dangerously as I took account of the speed of the cyclist and the other hazards around.

Sounds like you didn't due to this "crossing furniture" which you hadn't took account of when you first overtook. 

Ultimately, we will only know if there was really enough room if the cyclist does submit, and if the Plod decide to get involved. Odds are they won't but please post here if they do get in contact. 

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chrisonabike replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

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I waited to pass then overtook giving him room but then there was crossing furniture ahead

You make it sound like it suddenly jumped out and surprised you.

If it was crossing maybe it had run out from behind a parked car?

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hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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I don't understand how the cyclist forced you to overtake as surely you could have just waited behind? The cyclist caught up with you, so it's not as if it would have made any difference to your journey time at all.

Also, I'd agree with posting the footage (e.g. upload to YouTube and share the link).

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Why would a cyclist contrive a situation where they could be badly injured?
Just post the footage if you want comments.

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tridoddytri replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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There was no chance of any accident or injury. I didn't say he contrived the situation I just said he was looking for confrontation by interpreting a harmless situation as something dramatic. Is that an excuse to call someone a c**t ?  

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Hirsute replied to tridoddytri | 2 years ago
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" I now think he was deliberately encouraging a situation where he had to be overtaken and was looking to be cut up or have someone overtake too closely"
He encouraged the situation but did not contrive it. So just semantics then.

Unless you post the video then what you claim happened compared with what actually happened can't be verified.
What outcome are you expecting from comments or views?

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Dnnnnnn | 2 years ago
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Post the dashcam footage.

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tridoddytri replied to Dnnnnnn | 2 years ago
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Doesn't show anything as he was behind me.

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BalladOfStruth replied to tridoddytri | 2 years ago
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So, how did you overtake him?

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Hirsute replied to tridoddytri | 2 years ago
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It will show how far away he was from the pinch point you say was in play.

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jh2727 replied to tridoddytri | 2 years ago
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It will show the distance you were from the cyclist and the refuge at the start of the overtake, the speeds that you were both travelling at and how far you were from the refuge when you pulled in.  We can infer most of the rest - if we assume the cyclist didn't accellerate whilst you were overtaking.

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