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Presumed liability would be a simple low cost way of changing driver attitudes and within a few years could dramatically change the perception of cycling as unsafe.
You are dreaming. Presumed liability is about insurance only. If drivers are happy to endanger lives they are not going to change attitudes because there might be an insurance claim. And Presumed liability is not going to persuade non cyclists to cycle. They do not want insurance payouts, they want not to bd hurt in the first place.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Presumed liability is another red herring like helmets and high-vis.
No, I'm not dreaming and you've mostly misunderstood my point. Presumed liability is standard in pretty much every European country where I would argue that drivers atitudes towards cyclists are far more respectful. It's the perception of danger that makes cycling unappealing as opposed to the actual danger itself.
Here in the UK there is large minority of drivers who clearly don't give a shit about us but may well care about an adverse civil claim. Presumed liability may also be of some use in promoting understanding of exactly how vulnerable cyclists are when compared to motorised traffic.
My point about the future was that were presumed liability to be introduced and contribute towards a reduction in aggressive driver behaviour then it could over time, change the perception of cycling as unsafe.
It's not like we have a government who will do more than pay lip service to cycling or a legal system which properly prosecutes unsafe drivers so we clearly need to look for other methods to change behaviour. Presumed liability isn't a red herring as the poster above asserts but could be a useful measure in changing driver behaviour when there are few other options.
the most bizzare part of this, the reason roads are unsafe at school run times is the school run! ie the respondents claiming it is unsafe are the problem!
It wouldn't have been an attempt to objectively measure the safety of the roads, the survey is very much about perception. It's an election campaign.
Much as this is obviously a serious concern, 'dangerous' and 'safe' are somewhat vauge terms here. Is a road ever really 'safe' if you could potentially be injured on it? Mind you, my old man, who knew a thing or two about roadcraft, always said that "there are no dangerous roads, only people driving dangerously on them" which I think is basically spot on.
Coincidentally, this weekend I went for a ride with the boy (9 years old) to our nearest south coast seaside town and back. Cycle paths most of the way, but as he's getting older, on what would have been some of the more 'lengthy' cycle route diversions, I brought him into the road with me, some of which were quite busy (though usually pretty wide), opting to have him behind me as opposed to my usual side-by-side helicoptering.
Over the distance of road we covered, if I'm perfectly honest, 98% of drivers were courteous and gave plenty of space, and in my opinion it was with more space than usual, so obviously paying attention to the fact that he's young. The only 'not really giving as much space as they should' was some 4x4 (why is it always those?) and, somewhat disappointingly, a double decker bus.