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don simon wrote:

OK, so the bus video has been removed and replaced by someone who was safely overtaken by a Merc.

Is this going to be a new feature where praise is given on safe overtakes? Otherwise why the fuck would you upload such a video to Youtube?

being tailgated is an offence, it's also very intimidating to say the least with some nobber trying to push past when there's clearly no safe gap to get past. Maybe you enjoy being tailgated by 2 tons of german wankwagon that has the potential to kill you, personally I don't.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon wrote:

OK, so the bus video has been removed and replaced by someone who was safely overtaken by a Merc.

Is this going to be a new feature where praise is given on safe overtakes? Otherwise why the fuck would you upload such a video to Youtube?

being tailgated is an offence, it's also very intimidating to say the least with some nobber trying to push past when there's clearly no safe gap to get past. Maybe you enjoy being tailgated by 2 tons of german wankwagon that has the potential to kill you, personally I don't.

I don't see anything wrong in this video. I believe the wide angle lens of the camera makes it look like the Merc is closer than it really is. If the cyclist didn't have the camera I don't think he would have noticed anyhting other than a car wanting to get past. Impatient? yes, but not dangerous or illegal.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon wrote:

OK, so the bus video has been removed and replaced by someone who was safely overtaken by a Merc.

Is this going to be a new feature where praise is given on safe overtakes? Otherwise why the fuck would you upload such a video to Youtube?

being tailgated is an offence, it's also very intimidating to say the least with some nobber trying to push past when there's clearly no safe gap to get past. Maybe you enjoy being tailgated by 2 tons of german wankwagon that has the potential to kill you, personally I don't.

Cameras can, and often do, foreshorten distances. So it's difficult to say whether any law was broken.

Cars sit on the tails of bikes, this one didn't seem so intimidating as to warrant being called a nobber, they weren't trying to push past either, I suggest they know the road and were accelerating at an upcomping opportunity and then sitting back when they realised the pass was unsafe. They then waited for what was a safe pass. And overtook.

Cars have a right to use the road too, share it nicely.

don simon wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon wrote:

OK, so the bus video has been removed and replaced by someone who was safely overtaken by a Merc.

Is this going to be a new feature where praise is given on safe overtakes? Otherwise why the fuck would you upload such a video to Youtube?

being tailgated is an offence, it's also very intimidating to say the least with some nobber trying to push past when there's clearly no safe gap to get past. Maybe you enjoy being tailgated by 2 tons of german wankwagon that has the potential to kill you, personally I don't.

Cameras can, and often do, foreshorten distances. So it's difficult to say whether any law was broken.

Cars sit on the tails of bikes, this one didn't seem so intimidating as to warrant being called a nobber, they weren't trying to push past either, I suggest they know the road and were accelerating at an upcomping opportunity and then sitting back when they realised the pass was unsafe. They then waited for what was a safe pass. And overtook.

Cars have a right to use the road too, share it nicely.

Not like that and law-breaking ia red herring. The rider clearly felt intimidated or they wouldn’t have posted the video.  Isn't that enough? You think they should “man the f%@& up?  In fact,  the driver overtook at the first safe opportunity - jolly good - so why in the name of kacked pants are they getting close, falling back, getting close etc when there isn’t an opportunity? Crap driving, pure and simple. No excuses.

PS hilarious reflection of the rider in the mudguard.

Jitensha Oni wrote:

don simon wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon wrote:

OK, so the bus video has been removed and replaced by someone who was safely overtaken by a Merc.

Is this going to be a new feature where praise is given on safe overtakes? Otherwise why the fuck would you upload such a video to Youtube?

being tailgated is an offence, it's also very intimidating to say the least with some nobber trying to push past when there's clearly no safe gap to get past. Maybe you enjoy being tailgated by 2 tons of german wankwagon that has the potential to kill you, personally I don't.

Cameras can, and often do, foreshorten distances. So it's difficult to say whether any law was broken.

Cars sit on the tails of bikes, this one didn't seem so intimidating as to warrant being called a nobber, they weren't trying to push past either, I suggest they know the road and were accelerating at an upcomping opportunity and then sitting back when they realised the pass was unsafe. They then waited for what was a safe pass. And overtook.

Cars have a right to use the road too, share it nicely.

 

Not like that and law-breaking ia red herring. The rider clearly felt intimidated or they wouldn’t have posted the video.  Isn't that enough? You think they should “man the f%@& up?  In fact,  the driver overtook at the first safe opportunity - jolly good - so why in the name of kacked pants are they getting close, falling back, getting close etc when there isn’t an opportunity? Crap driving, pure and simple. No excuses.

PS hilarious reflection of the rider in the mudguard.

Perhaps they should man the fuck up! You can say fuck here as we are mostly adults, not all though, so I have to be a bit sensitive with the snowflakes.  That was not a dangerous pass, nor was the run up.

emishi55 wrote:

 Will post link if I can find it. 

Here it is:     

One Reason Why I hate Cars   

18 January 2012 1:34 PM

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

The cycle -ball defence is up the court as it's a free kick a bit like what you get with a penalty corner in field hockey, you have limited defenders in the 'area'.

As for the helmet debate, circa 160,000 serious head injuries admitted into hospital annually from a reported 1.4million head injuries total.

the total cycling KSIs of all types of injuries, on road and off road, single person and including motorvehicles and also including non admissions AND children is 3397, (I can't find data as to how many of those are head injuries only)

Roughly 75-80% of incidents involving a motorvehicle are the sole fault of the motorist according to police stats, though IMHO I'd reckon it to be even higher given how the police can't be trusted with how they interpret incidents through their motor-centric biased eyes.

Yup, plastic hats for people on bikes is surely the solution, wankers!

 

Thanks for that.  Have you a link to your data source(s), please?

Eton Rifle wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

The cycle -ball defence is up the court as it's a free kick a bit like what you get with a penalty corner in field hockey, you have limited defenders in the 'area'.

As for the helmet debate, circa 160,000 serious head injuries admitted into hospital annually from a reported 1.4million head injuries total.

the total cycling KSIs of all types of injuries, on road and off road, single person and including motorvehicles and also including non admissions AND children is 3397, (I can't find data as to how many of those are head injuries only)

Roughly 75-80% of incidents involving a motorvehicle are the sole fault of the motorist according to police stats, though IMHO I'd reckon it to be even higher given how the police can't be trusted with how they interpret incidents through their motor-centric biased eyes.

Yup, plastic hats for people on bikes is surely the solution, wankers!

 

 

Thanks for that.  Have you a link to your data source(s), please?

Head injury data is a bit hit and miss and variable in the numbers as no-one seems to like collating it and even some hospitals are loathe to actually respond (around 16 basically gave researchers the middle finger) or simply don't manage to put the reasons for the head injury on the form.

here this suggests closer to 200,000 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25340248  but that's just for admissions and reported head injuries, non reported probs push the total of head injuries and serious head injuries up a chunk more.

The KSIs you can find on the .gov site for all years.

The other thing is child head injuries, there is the thinking that putting a helmet on children who cycle is a good idea, personally i think it's wrong thinking. I have expereincean in this, my son cycled along a quiet 60mph road downhill to high school for 7 years and he wore a lid once before he started there (& still alive now at 26.lol)

We already know the groups that are effected most by risk compensation, adult males particularly those in competition (injury rates, crashes and deaths gone UP since helmet mandation in 2003) but also children. Children take a huge amount of extra risk when they feel protected, this is well known and is recorded many times over in various testing.

Put children into an environ where they feel safer and they will push the boundaries even more, much more than they did before, also adding up to 20% the weight of their heads and increasing the circumference significantly also means banging your head with a helmet (& obviously saving the childs life/saving from total disblement ...not) more often than without.

Headway even come out with total lies to a parlimentary committee no less stating that 20,000 children would be saved from head injuries if wearing plastic hats which is utter gash and exceeds the current number of  total serious head injuries suffered by children from all walks of life by 14-15,000, and also ignoring the other million plus head injuries that occur elsewhere, wankers.

The last lot of figures i found was 12 child head injury only deaths as an occupant of a motorvehicle in England & wales, the total number of child cycling deaths for the whole of the Uk was SIX, not all of them would have being solely due to head injury and unlikely that a helmet would have made a jot of difference even if they were wearing one.

figures for child only head injuries below but from 2009-10, good luck finding more up to date numbers.

MrB123 wrote:

Christopher Hitchens??? Messages from beyond the grave it seems!

Good point.  Said deceased Hitch drank like a fish, smoked like a Bali volcano and probably never sat on a bike beyond the age of 11.  His brother doesn't smoke, has always appeared not to need alcohol in order to spout the views of a pub bore, but does cycle.