Local police Facebook post provokes ultimate anti-cyclist bingo thread

don simon fbpe wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

tl;dr.

 But more than happy to be linked to the findings that you have, I'd point to a post 1979 sell off of manufacturing there too.

But what would I know, I'm just a newbie...

Well, I did read BTBS' post and I'd be interested in reading some decent anti-EU facts/analysis etc. and I'm not trying to troll BTBS by asking. Before the vote, I was leaning more anti-EU but changed my mind and voted remain. However, it's a complex issue and would welcome some more info as I'm not knowledgable about it.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

Well, if this damage our EU membership has caused is so obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem linking to some reputable source documenting it.  So far, every single time some Brexiter has tried to highlight a negative aspect of membership, it has turned out to be complete bollocks. 

Eton Rifle wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

Well, if this damage our EU membership has caused is so obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem linking to some reputable source documenting it.  So far, every single time some Brexiter has tried to highlight a negative aspect of membership, it has turned out to be complete bollocks. 

My family/community was one that was massively hit and very quickly, the fishing industry in Kingston upon Hull was pretty much wrecked and by the late 70s/early 80s was pretty much reduced to a ripple and the city did not land ANY fish in over 10 years and only recently this year is there going to be about 700 tonnes landed every month or so, still insignificant. So from at one point being the biggest fishing port in Europe to ZERO fish landed. ZERO, do you know how many people in the city lost their jobs because of the EEC and the CAP, a fuck ton!

Below are numbers relating to 2016 compared to pre EEC numbers.

When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.

When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.

When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.

Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.

The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%

Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

This article explores the true cost to the UK by being in the EU http://www.cityam.com/235348/eu-membership-the-true-cost-to-britains-eco...

People's ignorance of how being in the EEC/EU has massively negatively affected trade for the worse, cost of living whilst piling in money to what turns out to be a corrupt organisation that trades directly with dicators and human rights abusing governments through the EU bank and profitises from them is increible. But yeah, let's stick our heads in the sand as to how over the last 45+ years we're no better off than we were before, in fact, far worse off, yup, let's keep going with that because that's worked hasn't it!

But as I said, instead of going onto politics/Brexit, can we not just stick with cycling chat

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

Well, if this damage our EU membership has caused is so obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem linking to some reputable source documenting it.  So far, every single time some Brexiter has tried to highlight a negative aspect of membership, it has turned out to be complete bollocks. 

My family/community was one that was massively hit and very quickly, the fishing industry in Kingston upon Hull was pretty much wrecked and by the late 70s/early 80s was pretty much reduced to a ripple and the city did not land ANY fish in over 10 years and only recently this year is there going to be about 700 tonnes landed every month or so, still insignificant. So from at one point being the biggest fishing port in Europe to ZERO fish landed. ZERO, do you know how many people in the city lost their jobs because of the EEC and the CAP, a fuck ton!

Below are numbers relating to 2016 compared to pre EEC numbers.

 

When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.

When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.

When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.

Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.

The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%

Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

This article explores the true cost to the UK by being in the EU http://www.cityam.com/235348/eu-membership-the-true-cost-to-britains-eco...

People's ignorance of how being in the EEC/EU has massively negatively affected trade for the worse, cost of living whilst piling in money to what turns out to be a corrupt organisation that trades directly with dicators and human rights abusing governments through the EU bank and profitises from them is increible. But yeah, let's stick our heads in the sand as to how over the last 45+ years we're no better off than we were before, in fact, far worse off, yup, let's keep going with that because that's worked hasn't it!

But as I said, instead of going onto politics/Brexit, can we not just stick with cycling chat

Shame that City A.M. has a pro Brexit stance "In 2016, the paper supported Brexit[7].", they might have gort away with making people think that those statistics weren't biased. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_A.M. Good luck on their independent London and 30% tax for all tomfoolery too.

Pehaps you could find a Stephen Christopher Yaxley Lennon article to show the levels of immigration and how bad that has been for us...

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

Well, if this damage our EU membership has caused is so obvious, I'm sure you'll have no problem linking to some reputable source documenting it.  So far, every single time some Brexiter has tried to highlight a negative aspect of membership, it has turned out to be complete bollocks. 

My family/community was one that was massively hit and very quickly, the fishing industry in Kingston upon Hull was pretty much wrecked and by the late 70s/early 80s was pretty much reduced to a ripple and the city did not land ANY fish in over 10 years and only recently this year is there going to be about 700 tonnes landed every month or so, still insignificant. So from at one point being the biggest fishing port in Europe to ZERO fish landed. ZERO, do you know how many people in the city lost their jobs because of the EEC and the CAP, a fuck ton!

Below are numbers relating to 2016 compared to pre EEC numbers.

 

When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.

When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.

When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.

Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.

The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%

Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

This article explores the true cost to the UK by being in the EU http://www.cityam.com/235348/eu-membership-the-true-cost-to-britains-eco...

People's ignorance of how being in the EEC/EU has massively negatively affected trade for the worse, cost of living whilst piling in money to what turns out to be a corrupt organisation that trades directly with dicators and human rights abusing governments through the EU bank and profitises from them is increible. But yeah, let's stick our heads in the sand as to how over the last 45+ years we're no better off than we were before, in fact, far worse off, yup, let's keep going with that because that's worked hasn't it!

But as I said, instead of going onto politics/Brexit, can we not just stick with cycling chat

You have simply picked two points in time and arbitrarily attributed the collapse in manufacturing industry to EU membership.  Nowhere do either you or the linked article explain how this was caused by EU membership.  The rise of competition in the Far East (with its much cheaper labour costs) is the true explanation.

BIB - yes, let's.

Eton Rifle wrote:

You have simply picked two points in time and arbitrarily attributed the collapse in manufacturing industry to EU membership.  Nowhere do either you or the linked article explain how this was caused by EU membership.  The rise of competition in the Far East (with its much cheaper labour costs) is the true explanation.

BIB - yes, let's.

Indeed. Most advanced western economies have seen decline in many manufacturing sectors, with a growing service sector replacing them. The EEC/EU hasn't had very much to do with most of it. And I haven't seen anyone suggesting that there's likely to be a manufacturing renaissance post-Brexit.

The old saying about two economists / three opinions probably still holds but as far as I can tell most economists seem to think Brexit will be negative.

My understanding was the the Cod Wars with Iceland did more to undo Hull than the CFP - although it hasn't been a great success for the UK either.

As for "trades directly with dictators and human rights abusing governments", well, I'm just glad it's not British bombs the Saudis are dropping on Yemen. Or that we haven't been cosying up to China for years, begging them to invest. Oh hang on...

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

There was always a golden age, when everything was wonderful, the sun shone all the time, lambs gambolled in the meadows and it was always a generation ago; but it was never true. 

Before 1946 and the NHS and social housing, if you got ill, you didn't get paid, you couldn't pay for treatment and you couldn't pay the rent.  Children had rickets, people lived in slums and everyone smoked; a real golden age.  Much of the progress made since then has been reversed by the greed is good philosophy, permitted by our insane first past the post system, which allows a minority political party to dominate government.  Did you know that the tories won all the seats in Cornwall even though they only got 48% of the vote?  And that is pretty typical.  We need a voting system which reflects the will of the electorate, not a minority.  We also need independent media, not the right wing dominated one we've got, including the BBC.

Our manufacturing was sabotaged by the right wing, which saw our future in finance, insurance and service industries, so withdrew funding for the future of manufacturing instead of investing in it.  That's why training schemes for engineers and production staff have to be constantly re-invented because we stopped training them.  Same with all manual trades, which is why we need Polish plumbers.  Same with doctors and nurses, and why we need so many from overseas.

And of course, the right wing absolutely love cars and hate cyclists, which is why they are so hypocritical when they keep saying how much they support cycling, but spend all the money on driving.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

No, it started around 1979 and has been getting progessively worse.

it started directly after WWII, 1946 to be precise and got progressively worse, Labour have been as much a culprit as the cons, or maybe you think the way other countries have swept past us in manufacturing whilst labour ran the country and labour led unions basically condoning and encouraging piss poor work productivity never happened?

And Eaton rifle, if you don't understand the role the EU played in our demise in manufacturing amongst many other aspects then I suggest you bother to do some research! Massive trade gap that has continued to get wider whilst under the EU cosh and puts the predicted 'losses' under any of the outcomes with regards to leaving the EU next year as pocket change. The EU has cost the UK trillions since the mid 70s and much more besides!

Comparing people's incorrect (according to the law) thoughts on cyclists and the direct threat of harm including loss of life to those with regards the corrupt cabal that is the EU is ridiculous!

Triggered much?!

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

Is there any topic that lovers of ever closer political union can't shoehorn a conceited reference to Brexit into?

To make such a sweeping and tribal statement while at the same time bemoaning the impact of social media betrays a breathtaking lack of self awareness.

srchar wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

Is there any topic that lovers of ever closer political union can't shoehorn a conceited reference to Brexit into?

To make such a sweeping and tribal statement while at the same time bemoaning the impact of social media betrays a breathtaking lack of self awareness.

From this day forth known as Gammon's Law.

srchar wrote:

Eton Rifle wrote:

Jesus!  Have we always been this stupid as a nation and social media has merely revealed it?  No wonder we've ended up with Brexit, given the collective idiocy of a large part of the population. 

Is there any topic that lovers of ever closer political union can't shoehorn a conceited reference to Brexit into?

To make such a sweeping and tribal statement while at the same time bemoaning the impact of social media betrays a breathtaking lack of self awareness.

I'm genuine confused by your post.  

What is 'tribal' about pointing out the fact that Brexit is a colossal clusterfuck? It has paralysed Parliament to the exclusion of all else for the past two and a half years. FOUR Brexit secretaries have come and run away from the issue. All the politicians that fomented the situation have run away from it.

We have lost 2% of economic growth, Sterling is 15% lower than before the referendum, £4.2bn is currently allocated to pay for this disaster (and it will undoubtedly cost FAR more). The government is in chaos, riven with in-fighting and with no idea how to proceed. Contingency planning is so good that a £14m contract to run ferry services has just been awarded to a company that has no ships. 

'Self-awareness'? Get a better dictionary, pal. It does not mean what you think it means. And keep on believing in those unicorns. 

Eton Rifle wrote:

What is 'tribal' about pointing out the fact that Brexit is a colossal clusterfuck? It has paralysed Parliament to the exclusion of all else for the past two and a half years. FOUR Brexit secretaries have come and run away from the issue. All the politicians that fomented the situation have run away from it.

We have lost 2% of economic growth, Sterling is 15% lower than before the referendum, £4.2bn is currently allocated to pay for this disaster (and it will undoubtedly cost FAR more). The government is in chaos, riven with in-fighting and with no idea how to proceed. Contingency planning is so good that a £14m contract to run ferry services has just been awarded to a company that has no ships.

A truly exceptional example of the English understatement.  I salute you, fellow Briton!  But things just aren't that good.  And all because of tory internecine fighting that Cameron wanted to stop.

"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

Sorry, sudden attack of sanity, I'm sure it'll wear off come March 29th.  Or was it hysteria.