British riders may be unable to race in Europe under new Brexit rules

Our horizons diminished, opportunities down the drain, lives impoverished.

But hey, Johnson is a hit with the insular and the xenophobic, so it's terrific for his career - which is the most important thing, right?

Brexit is a done deal. Sadly, there is no turning back. You're absolutely right, but remainers complaining will fix nothing now. So we need to try to make the best of it. That would start with ejecting Bojo and his chums...

Brexit is not a done deal. Our idiot PM has saddled us with a hard Brexit deal that is bad for the UK economically. As the pandemic restrictions are lifted, the economic impact of Brexit will become more and more apparent. It's already clear that the problems with NI are complex and not going away any time soon. The deal we have is shifting away the banking business to Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and New York. The arts sector, another huge contributer to UK GDP, is also suffering massively due to the need for visas for artists touring. There are no upsides to Brexit. Sooner or later, the pressure from business, and the job losses still to come, will be so massive that our idiot PM is going to have to go grovelling back to the EU. Either that or he'll get the boot and someone else will.

If you think Brexit is over, sorry but you're being naive.

I'm waiting on wheels from Scribe. I did not realise they are based in NI which makes it more complex.

Did you know you now need a special VAT number if you trade from NI to the EU?

So much for reducing red tape.

Exactly, and instead of the 36,000 bureaucrats in the EU we now need 50,000 more customs officers for the UK. The only people to benefit from Brexit are the mega rich tax dodgers who wanted to be able to keep their banks accounts offshore and avoid the new EU rules on banking. 

I have spent literally thousands on Planet X bikes and bits over 10 years. Always happy with goods. Being Spanish, I now know I will never buy from them again.

I have £100 worth of bits and bobs on its way from Mantel. Will let you know how I get on.

It's a shame the EU is impossible to ride a bike in if you're not from a member country.

I'd love to see an American or Australian or Columbian win Le Tour but it's obviously never going to happen under the current rules.

"Will I let you know how I get on."

I'm sure you'll tell the story in such a way as to prove that Brexit is amazing, not a total shitshow. Never let the facts get in the way of tribal loyalty to the numpties of the Conservative and Brexit Party.

Mr Kettle? Mr Kettle? I've got a Mr Pot on line 3 wants to speak to you. Something about colour schemes.

I'll just post a picture of my parcel when it arrives. Will that be factual enough for you?

Rich_cb wrote:

Mr Kettle? Mr Kettle? I've got a Mr Pot on line 3 wants to speak to you. Something about colour schemes. I'll just post a picture of my parcel when it arrives. Will that be factual enough for you?

Is that UPS? Can you post your experience of whether, like my two last Canyon deliveries, it takes 10 days and gets held up for a while because of (their words not mine) "Brexit related issues." It gets here but it takes a bit longer than before.

It is UPS, I've opted for delivery this Wednesday (day off) that will be 5 days from ordering.

So far, so good, fingers crossed it gets here on time.

There seems to be some hit and miss with UPS, but yours looks faster than mine. I had no option to opt for a date either. And, on top of that, they eventually texted me to say "delivery Thursday" and then delivered on the Wednesday.....when I was out.

HarrogateSpa wrote:

"Will I let you know how I get on."

I'm sure you'll tell the story in such a way as to prove that Brexit is amazing, not a total shitshow. Never let the facts get in the way of tribal loyalty to the numpties of the Conservative and Brexit Party.

You certainly have a nice open attitude...

You'll be delighted to know my Mantel package arrived this morning, one day ahead of schedule with no further charges.

Yeah, I saw their £135 limit for posting to the UK.  Shame as their Ultegra disc groupsets are a lot lower in price then here in the UK!

Weirdly Lordgun are only shipping orders over £135 but I suspect they're then just leaving you to sort out the import paperwork.

Canyon are shipping again so it is possible to send things over £135 without any extra admin on the consumer's part. Hopefully Mantel etc will get their systems up to speed for that soon.

Parcel arrived today. No extras to pay on delivery. Seems like Mantel have figured it out (for orders under £135 at least).

You mean an Australian like Cadel Evans or a Colombian like Egan Bernal? Or if you want to go back far enough an American like Greg Lemond? (Obviously no mention of LA)

Rich_cb wrote:

It's a shame the EU is impossible to ride a bike in if you're not from a member country. I'd love to see an American or Australian or Columbian win Le Tour but it's obviously never going to happen under the current rules.

Don't be silly. The article itself explains how riders from outside the EU deal with the situation by arranging a residency permit that allows them to come and go as they please. That option is now required for UK riders if they want the same freedom, but it looks like at the moment there are some lengthy waits to arrange it.

The petition is about trying to get the option for UK riders to continue to ride as they have without a visa or residency permit. 

Whether you believe that Brexit was a good idea or not, things like this were always going to be the case, as the UK is now on the same footing in its relationship with the EU as other non-member countries, and our citizens dealt with in the same way, in the absence of any specific agreements to do things differently. 

I must have missed that part of the article?

I just scanned it again and can't see a mention of residency permits.

Regardless, it's perfectly possible to be a professional athlete from outside the EU and compete within the EU.

If athletes from many other countries can achieve it then I don't see why British athletes require special treatment.

Gkam posted about the residency in a reply to a similar question above. So with fish and other things like the Musicians issues. It seems to be more extra hoops and things to jump through which potentially wasn't communicated out fast enough for people to be able to put appropriate paperwork in place in time
Obviously the Froomes, Hamiltons and others Sports people in tax havens like Monaco are fine but the ones like Tao and Dowsett now need to live in Europe for a set amount of time to qualify. I'm assuming there might be other tax indications with these new residency Visas as well. 

I just replied to a similar question on the Facebook posting. Almost all countries have the same agreement with the EU the 90/180 rule, but this can be bypassed as set out below.

Most riders from outwith the EU, like those from Australia, South and North America choose a location, say Girona as an example and set up base, get a residency permit and call that "home". With the UK being a lot closer to training areas like Girona, that was never really needed previously. if you have a residency permit you can come and go as you please, similar to what we had when in the EU, but residency permits are hard to come by just now and the wait can be more then 90 days...

This is a direct quote from a friends post who's on a UCI womens world tour team "I had all of my documents and paperwork prepared but even to get an appointment for a residency application would be around 4 months!"

They did post that but that was after I posted my comment so a bit harsh to criticise me for not referring to it!

If you're a professional sportsperson who needs to compete in the EU it seems a little reckless to have left your preparations for post Brexit competition until now.

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If you're a professional sportsperson who needs to compete in the EU it seems a little reckless to have left your preparations for post Brexit competition until now.

As with most things with the "deal" happening about two days before no deal, what plans could they make? Did you know what the plans were for every little thing?(did the government)? When could they submit the requests? With Covid blowing up over Dec / Jan, should they spend all the money on cyclicts who might not compete? How easy is if for UK cyclists to up sticks and be resident in the EU now? How does it effect their finances?

And as Gkam pointed out, the actual process is supposedly taking potentially 4 months now for one team entry and that is someone who was supposedly prepared. 

We voted to leave in 2016.

Boris Johnson won a majority in 2019.

If the process to obtain residency takes 4 months then I would suggest that any athlete has had more than enough time to complete it.

Rich_cb wrote:

We voted to leave in 2016. Boris Johnson won a majority in 2019. If the process to obtain residency takes 4 months then I would suggest that any athlete has had more than enough time to complete it.

Are you purposely being stupid?

Those who were only contracted from 1st Jan 2021 couldn't do anything about residency, as their contracts hadn't even started yet. The deal was only agreed on the 24th of December 2020.

The process currently is taking a minimum of 4 months in various countries, but you have to factor in that the deal wasn't even signed 4 months ago, alongside the problem that you have to be living in that country to get residency, which many countries are still not allowing travel to. 

There was a world tour male denied residency when all non-EU riders on the team got theirs and the team put all riders done under the same address and has done since it began many moons ago.

But it's ok because all the happy-clappy C**Ts got their blue passport and to hell with everyone else. Racist bigotted F**KS.
 

We had freedom of movement up until 1st January, if you were an aspiring professional cyclist you could easily have moved to the EU at any point after the referendum.

It was well known that freedom of movement would cease once we had left the EU. The last minute nature of the deal is therefore irrelevant. If you were a professional cyclist who failed to prepare for that inevitability then you have to take responsibility for your current predicament.

Rich_cb wrote:

We had freedom of movement up until 1st January, if you were an aspiring professional cyclist you could easily have moved to the EU at any point after the referendum. It was well known that freedom of movement would cease once we had left the EU. The last minute nature of the deal is therefore irrelevant. If you were a professional cyclist who failed to prepare for that inevitability then you have to take responsibility for your current predicament.

Clearly as thick as pig shit aren't you. 

There are many pro cyclists who already had a residency, but aspiring pros, not a hope.

1, Covid stopped almost all racing outside of world tour in 2020 and therefore also prevented people from travelling to various countries where they were going to be based and get residency in 2020 ahead of whatever the outcome of the talks was going to be. (Or maybe you thought they could have foreseen Covid aswell and sorted it out in 2019?)

2, You can ONLY get residency with a valid contract of employment, so anyone that didn't have one of those couldn't get residency and anyone whos contract didn't start until 1st Jan 2021, obviously couldn't.

3, Many juniors missed a whole season of racing in 2020, so the step up to senior level and getting their contracts meant they also missed out, because their contracts didn't start until 1st Jan 2021. One particular rider is signed for Devo Team DSM, while most of his teammates met up for a training camp and racing blocks, he's still at home because he can't afford to use up too many days and then not be able to race later in the season.

There are many other variables to take into consideration, but seen as you a deaf to anything, I'll not bother. You and the rest of the blue passport brigade aren't worth anyone time.

Movement to the EU was entirely possible in the summer of 2020.

That would also have given plenty of time to apply for residency.

The withdrawal of freedom of movement has been on the cards for almost 5 years.

If you haven't planned for it by now then you have to take responsibility for that oversight.

Here is the official guide for obtaining Italian residency post Brexit.

Have a read. You might learn something.

https://www.interno.gov.it/sites/default/files/2020-12/vademecum_brexit_...

So you are the resident of Bell End? Nobody could plan anything because Johnson (American slang M'Lord) hadn't done a deal until the last minute; so nobody new what to plan for. Incompetent Government, incompetent PM and apologist supporters. Go join the tossers who funded Brexit in a distant tax haven and do us all a favour.