British riders may be unable to race in Europe under new Brexit rules

In terms of freedom of movement/employment everybody knew exactly what to expect.

Seeing as we are specifically discussing freedom of movement/employment then the last minute nature of the rest of the deal has absolutely no relevance.

Rich_cb  - You may be on a one poster campaign to justify this sh1t show. Your efforts do not detract from the fact that you are wrong and no matter how many times you choose to post tripe some people just thinks its offal.

Post Brexit rules regarding residency were part of the withdrawal agreement.

The final version of this was agreed in October 2019.

This simple, verifiable, fact completely destroys your argument that there was insufficient time to obtain EU residency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_withdrawal_agreement

Rich_cb wrote:

I must have missed that part of the article? I just scanned it again and can't see a mention of residency permits. Regardless, it's perfectly possible to be a professional athlete from outside the EU and compete within the EU. If athletes from many other countries can achieve it then I don't see why British athletes require special treatment.

Apologies ... it was a comment from another user not in the article. However, what they said does appear to be correct on checking. 

Rapha Nadal wrote:

It really is the gift that keep on giving isn't it!

Anybdy had any luck with ordering bike parts from the EU yet?

No luck; Bike24 an online retail Co in Germany that I've used before, because they stock and supply the complete ranges of producers (half sizes in shoes, non standard crank lengths etc) but are not sending to the UK anymore. That is a bad business idea. UK retailers, step up to the plate and capitalise on their failings.

Why don't they send to the UK? They send to Australia.

I believe it has to do with how the UK's VAT rules have changed, which means EU based businesses having to account for tax in a different way to how they used to and some businesses deciding simply to stop shipping to the UK because of the costs of the extra bureaucracy. 

Presumably Australia don't do that. 

no Australia have pretty much the same tax setup I believe, one of the reasons the EU proposed these VAT changes was to bring the European market into step with what alot of the rest of the world countries already did.

hopefully when the EU catches up with its VAT changes in July it will make alot more sense to these companies whats actually happened

btw the costs of the extra bureaucracy stuff,you just amortize it across your customers orders from those territories, which is how most of the companies operating and arent complaining about it are doing and have done for a while, those that cant werent doing much business in that territory anyway.

I'm sort of hoping that some of the EU Megasites that have proved to be invaluable to me recently are just holding off for a bit, seeing how the splatter develops now the the shit has truely hit the fan, to be a little more welcoming in a bit, more expensive perhaps, but less "Not sending to the UK"

Jetmans Dad wrote:

Presumably Australia don't do that. 

Correct.

Australia collect tax on goods at the border. There's no requirement for companies selling to Aus to register and collect the duties themselves.

Australia charge GST for goods of 10% and if your company qualifies it must register for and collect duty. 

simontm wrote:

Australia charge GST for goods of 10% and if your company qualifies it must register for and collect duty. 

True, but the UK makes everyone register and collect for low value goods, whereas Australia only requires those importing more than $75,000 to do so.

though as an example it means if you sell something to an Australian via Ebay, Ebay will collect the GST and register it for you, I presume places like Shopify etc are similarly treated as a whole, rather than individual small businesses.

but the whole point of this VAT change is its part of a global governmental trend to end the VAT or GST exemptions on imported online sales of goods worldwide.

The EU changes, which are part of what the UK implemented first, probably go the furthest, so far, but Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, USA and Norway are all on the same journey and implementing already or considering similar schemes, and it will especially in light of the success of e-commerce and governments desire to raise taxes to fill the whole in the finances from the past year be an area where more changes are made. Just look at what Australia are trying to put in law for Google/Facebook to pay more tax, to be a news aggregator.

It may have something to do with Australia actually giving due consideration to these things and arranging a deal with EU and/or it's member states.  Whereas our leadership just bumbled through and probably ignored it.

The VAT changes were agreed whilst we were EU members in conjunction with the rest of the EU.

The EU were supposed to implement the exact same changes on the exact same day.

The EU chose to delay the change by 6 months due to Covid but they will be bringing in the exact same policy later this year.

Rich_cb wrote:

The EU chose to delay the change by 6 months due to Covid but they will be bringing in the exact same policy later this year.

I do find it ironic that since leaving the EU, the UK has managed to implement EU bureaucracy before the EU!

The upshot of all this is it makes trade within the EU easier, but more difficult outside of it (especially for small retailers).

Rapha Nadal wrote:

It really is the gift that keep on giving isn't it!

Anybdy had any luck with ordering bike parts from the EU yet?

I ordered a pair of Fizik shoes from Deporvillage before Christmas, anticipating this shit show. I finally received them in late January. God alone knows what it's like ordering stuff now. I've noticed some pretty hefty price increases as well. A Fizik saddle I bought for £122. 50 in December was up to £153.99 in January.
Still, I'm sure Rich will be along shortly to explain how it's all the EU's fault because he read it in the Daily Heil...