It’s not unknown to any cycling fan by this point that the once world-beating squad of Ineos Grenadiers has been some way off the top in the last few years, failing to win a Grand Tour since Egan Bernal took the pink jersey at the Giro d’Italia in 2021.
With one of the team’s stars Tom Pidcock leaving on not-so-amicable terms to join Q36.5 Pro Cycling last month, it only looks like things will get more difficult before they get better for the British team — and the team’s new personnel, with Scott Drawer in his second year as the Performance Director, along with Zak Dempster and Kurt Arvesen coming in as directeur sportifs to replace the outgoing Steve Cummings, are not afraid to accept that.
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Speaking to Cyclingnews, Arvesen said: “We need to come back and win bike races, start to win stages. Every race counts. It might take one, two, three or four years before we’re back, winning a Grand Tour, but I'm convinced we’re going to be.
“There are only three Grand Tours, there’s only only three winners, so it’s very difficult.”
But there’s still concern about team owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s commitment to funding the team — the British billionaire of course has another arguably more lucrative ‘sinking ship’ project to focus on in Manchester United with Portuguese manager Ruben Amorim at the helm.
Despite Ineos Grenadiers’ CEO John Allert confirming the team will exist until the 2028 UCI WorldTour and praising the owners for being “very passionate about this sport”, he confirmed the team was in fact, seeking out a second title sponsor.
“It’s fair to say that Ineos don’t want to spend more money,” Allert said. “So it depends entirely on what happens with this commercial activity. They very clearly do want us to be a super team and they know what it takes to be a super team. I'm not going to put a number on that, but it’s a number that's greater than what we're currently spending.
“You don’t need to be that clued-up to realise there’s a reason why we’re trying to bring other people on that journey with us. There’s value to be created for other brands and we don’t necessarily feel we have to, need to, or want to, go it alone.
“I’ve heard some bonkers rumours in the last couple of weeks about people buying us or investing in us or whatever else.
“We certainly have a commercial strategy that is an evolution of our strategy. We’ve appointed an agency and we're looking at commercial partnership opportunities, like most other teams are.
“It’s a very crowded market. We haven't signed anybody. I'm not aware of us imminently signing anybody.”
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Drawer also spoke about the rapid pace at which the sport is changing, from the rise of Tadej Pogačar and other young riders to the growth of the big-budget super teams, and even new performance science such as the ability to ingest more carbohydrates during races and so race longer and harder.
He said: “Some of the most critical things that have probably shaped why we’ve reshaped ourselves are based on the changes that have really happened in the sport.
“I think the trends in racing, particularly pre and post-COVID have changed the nature of the type of cyclists that are now in the peloton. So we've restructured ourselves and set ourselves up to get ahead of that slightly for this year and for the future.
“Our motivation in our approach to racing is going to be very different, and then there will be a bigger investment in talent.
“It’s probably one that we've got behind the curve on, but one that we're really accelerating to get ahead of the curveball.
“You’ve heard some news, and there'll be a lot more news coming out around our importance in that space.”
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Weren't lepers (the "unclean" of society) required to carry bells in medieval times? Maybe that's why the progressively challenged are so keen on them for cyclists?
I think they should get them to wear some distinctive clothing and headgear whenever they go out also - not everyone can hear them!
Shared paths are best avoided, although that's not always possible. Generally I'll ring my bell when approaching pedestrians. I haven't ever had anyone complain (I don't think a normal bell sounds in any way aggressive). Usually it works fine, but not always - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j-ZmKqIDgM
I prefer to tell pedestrians what I am about to do.
Also, how many road.cc readers are getting up a midnight to watch the TDU so do not mind knowing who won by lunchtime the following day?
I now say 'on your right' when passing, although didn't work so well with the ped who was walking in the middle of the road in a rural area - "use your bell" was the response !
I've had people complain that ringing a bell is rude and "excuse me" would be more polite. I've had people complain that instead of "excuse me" I should ring my bell. Whatever you do someone won't be happy.
I very rarely cycle on shared paths as I prefer the slightly more predictable behaviour of drivers over pedestrians.
And when I first started cycling my bike didn't have a bell so I didn't get into the habit of using one.
I then got an Air Zound for use against drivers, but again I rarely use it unless the driver has been exceptionally silly.
I hang a bluetooth speaker from my handlebars and with my phone in my pocket play music through it.
This is my recommendation.
Unless the music is vulgar, no one should be bothered by it for a few seconds as I pass.
You mean like The Rite of Spring, or something?
I used to whistle or hum the theme to Murder She Wrote when approaching pedestrians.
There are two objections to that, one is that whilst you can say that "no one should be bothered by it for a few seconds as I pass" more and more people seem to be choosing to play music on their bikes and it is pretty annoying if you're having a nice walk somewhere continually being disturbed by cyclists coming past playing music; the second objection is what about your fellow cyclists who have to put up with your choice of music considerably longer than a few seconds? Several times recently I've got stuck behind someone at rush-hour on the London cycleways who is playing loud music and personally I find it incredibly irritating even though I am a great music lover and keen musician. There's enough noise pollution without cyclists adding to it.
I've never started AND ended a cycling commuting journey at the same place and time as another cyclist so I'm not sure how frequently that happens (staying together for an extended period of time).
Either I'm a bit quicker or they are so it is usually only for a few seconds, a minute at best if stopped at a red light.
As I said, unless the music is vulgar (or exceptionally loud - unlikely to be an issue if on main roads with motor vehicles) I'd think this is a first world problem.
If you ride on the superhighways in London they are often so crowded at rush hour that you stay with the same group for very extended periods of time, so if one of them is playing music you have to suffer it. Dismissing antisocial behaviour, which I believe playing music from speakers when riding (or indeed when walking, sitting on trains, sitting in cars with the windows open et cetera) is as "a first world problem" is just silly, does it mean that we have to accept all forms of rude behaviour that aren't actually directly harmful? It's just bad manners to inflict your musical choices on others, I'm afraid.
There aren't any cyclists up here (last Wednesday I went 12 miles up to Lancaster and didn't see any cyclists until inside the town - and that was the masked crim on the illegal electric motor whose picture I have shown on here) so this problem doesn't arise. However, I would undoubtedly be annoyed by people with speakers hanging from handlebars telling me I 'shouldn't be annoyed' by their choices of dire music. I would be thinking 'bugger off, or use earphones!’
I remember mentioning quite loudly to someone listening to music on a speaker on a bus about this amazing new invention, that they called "Head. Phones." (with air quotes, for emphasis). They didn't appreciate my point, unfortunately… I don't think they'd realised that people existed outside of their little bubble of existence, as if everybody else is just an NPC.
On the one hand, I think that there's plenty of noise pollution already, so we don't need people to be blaring out music.
On the other hand, these people are sharing their music/culture etc. so even if we can't stand that particular choice, it's not necessarily rude of them from their point of view.
In summary, I wouldn't want to ride next to someone blaring out pop tunes, but it could be quite fun if it was a decent choice of music.
(What does snap my cranks is live music in a pub as I have enough trouble following conversation in a noisy place as it is, but invariably live music is cranked up so loud that I can't hear a thing. Also, it's invariably poor quality covers of popular hits - I'd rather they just had a jukebox for that kind of thing)
Who gets to decide what is a decent choice? One man's meat et cetera…
In all honesty I don't think that people playing music on their bikes think that they are sharing their music and culture, I'm afraid most of the ones I see are just rather sad exhibitionists (often accompanied by a "wacky" hat and fairy lights wrapped around the frame) saying look at me, I'm so crazy and wild and I love music so much I can't even do without it on my bike...not, perhaps, stopping to think that if you really love music you wouldn't insult it by playing it on a tiny crappy Bluetooth speaker in the middle of traffic noise with wind rushing in your ears...
I get there's a performative aspect and some of the dress is ... questionable. One might question this on safety grounds also.
A million years ago, as a London courier, I had a bell that ran off the front wheel, it had a trigger on the bars and like a dynamo contacted the tyre. It was loud, but I realised so very aggresive. Now I use the little brass ones from Lezyne, just because the sound is so gentle, but the best is just a "Good morning/afternoon"
I would just like to point out the irony of the headline claiming cyclists are spoiling the serenity by... (wait for it)... being too quiet.
One of the most humanising aspects of being a cyclist is that, unlike motorists, we aren't sworn to silence and need to communicate everything through an ambiguous system of honks and flashes. So I just say "heya, excuse me", it's worked pretty well so far.
The classic "I want cyclists to do what I want because I am clearly right". As everyone else is saying, you can't please so many people. Bells annoy more people than they placate. A bell to most people is "get out of my way".
On shared pathways around me I reckon about 70% of pedestrians are in the bike lane. If you say anything as you are about to go past people you will usually get one of a few reactions. If you're lucky they just acknowledge you and stay the course. If you are unlucky they will act shocked and angry or my personal favourite, move into your way when they were fine before.
If they are blocking the path I obviously slow right down, communicate and pass when they have moved over. If they are clearly walking to the side, aren't showing any signs of meandering or changing direction and there is plenty of space I will just go past them saying nothing as its by far the safest way unless I want to overtake at 5mph and make the overtake take 3x as long.
Am I the only one to think that this is utterly insane?
No.
If pedestrians are that interested in whether cyclists are about to pass them, then they can be attentive to sounds and possibly even look.
It's certainly extreme. That said, if it's a narrow path and a group of cyclists is a bit strung out, then calls of "there's a couple more still coming" or "that's all of us" can be sensible.
Give a meter of safe clearance or stay behind till you can pass safely, if its what we want and expect on the roads why is it so hard to grant the same courtesy to pedestrians?
For a start, the speeds involved are a lot less and obviously due to cyclists not weighing 2 tonnes, any collision will be far less harmful. Also, a lot of shared paths are only a metre wide, so it's hardly possible to provide a meter space.
Staying behind until you can pass safely is entirely possible though - the problem is when pedestrians spread across a path and aren't aware enough of their surroundings to let cyclists get past.
How can that work when lots of shared paths are just pavements barely more than 2 metres wide (and often less) with a line of white paint and the peds are invariably in the middle? The attached photo is from one of the better bits in Shrewsbury (on NCR81) last month, which I generally avoid because so many people walk/jog across most of the whole thing. Despite repeated requests the council won't clear the leaves for another month or two.
Here is street view of that stretch in November, and another street view a mile further south near 2 secondary schools, which is unuseable between 8-8.30am and 3-4pm due to the sheer number of pupils, unless you like to practice trackstands. It's the same on nearby Bank Farm Road.]
While I agree that the onus is on the cyclist(s) always to slow down and be considerate, there do seem to be a large number of people who think we are encroaching on a pedestrian-only area that they should use as they wish.
I have found that a cheerful "Hi there" greeting when approaching from behind seems to be the best option.
Yes - have had people shaking their fists (or just shaking) at me for riding in a very clearly labelled shared use path - one in fact built as that from scratch I think, not converted footway.
People are always going to spread out - "side-by-side travel" is a human fundamental behaviour (and should be facilitated for cyclists too!). Plus in most places in the UK pedestrians will far outnumber cyclists.
The solution is very clearly marked separate areas - except where there will be very few cyclists or pedestrians *. But that would mean taking from road/parking space in most places! So we can't do that, because there is lots of demand by motorists, and there isn't much demand by cyclists, because few people cycle because ... (self-reinforcing cycle continues)
* This clearly can become "the norm" like in NL. And is then self-reinforcing (with a reasonable number of cyclists). If you're in the right place you can move unimpeded on a bike / without cyclists close-passing you as a pedestrian. If you're in the wrong place you have those issues plus you'll also have others clearly telling you you're wrong!
Sadly you are on the button. Drivers have been told over and over again that they can expect priority, whether that's in busy town centres or country lanes with no footway. Advertising and lobbying by car companies has a lot to answer for.
Politicians, including local councillors road planners and so on all think it is in their and our interest to put car drivers' expectations (I don't want to use the word 'needs') first and foremost; and that there is no real desire to cater properly i.e. fairly for other road users.
I'm reminded of the phrase "You can't justify a bridge by the number of people swimming across a river"; and another - "Build it and they will come" e.g. Paris:
https://www.ecf.com/en/news/ambitious-plan-will-make-paris-a-100-cycling...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590198224001076
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/9/e007593.abstract (also summarised nicely at https://www.mrc-epid.cam.ac.uk/blog/2015/09/08/build-it-and-they-will-come/)
This last one, a BMJ open article from 2015, demonstrates that the environment will change behaviour far more than 'encouragement', free coffee or other so-called inducements to cycle, as discussed on here last month:
https://road.cc/content/news/council-reward-cyclists-free-coffee-311897
Necessary but not sufficient.
In places like the UK the feedback loop between "demand for driving" and "provision of roads, parking, (lots and lots of other things also)" is generations old.
Driving has displaced other modes in most places (pushing some to near-extinction eg. transport cycling). In in fact has displaced the *idea* of these other tools in people's thinking!
So to effect any significant change now it will take a whole series of "heroic" changes working together. It's not just that "cycling must be provided for":
a) Serious alternatives to driving are needed - which is public transport, walking AND cycling made so they can work together. b) Driving has to be made (a bit) less attractive - noting that this is the current "default" for many. The car is already paid for, there's a smooth "fast road" (in fact a network) between you and the parking right by your destination. It's just sat there waiting for you...
The latter is *hard* - politicians are understandably wary of not just saying "No" but saying "we will have to take away..." There's your opponent's open goal, right there!
But the latter has to happen else a) we can build, but mostly they won't come - like Stevenage or Milton Keynes they will drive, because it's easy. b) without taking resources (space, funding) from motoring we simply won't be able to provide those other options - because mass motoring is a profligate consumer and inefficient user of those.
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