There's been "gridlock" in Manchester city centre making news headlines recently, roadworks turning Deansgate into a one-way route with new cycle lanes getting the blame from some business owners and residents. In the local press there has been the usual headlines, the Manchester Evening News (MEN) going for: 'An absolute joke': Fury over Deansgate cycle lanes after weekend of gridlock.
A video of drivers having a row in the middle of a busy road, an onlooker telling the BBC "people's tempers are boiling over" due to city-centre traffic "chaos", was also widely shared on social media.
In the MEN piece, the paper heard from residents and business owners who claim the cycle lane scheme has "simply not been thought through" and is the cause of the area's traffic woes. The paper reported queues of over an hour last weekend, cycle lanes that have been installed since the pandemic getting the blame.
Transport for Greater Manchester has advised people not to drive into the city centre as a number of events mean it would be "extremely busy" on the roads. Likewise, Manchester City Council says the "city is changing" and changes to support active travel and public transport will transform Deansgate "from a traditional vehicle route to a place to visit and enjoy".
However, the local paper story hears from numerous residents and business owners complaining about the gridlock, one calling it "an absolute joke".
"Unused cycle lanes for the minority yet public transport gridlocked due to poor traffic management," she claimed. "Emergency services stand no chance of getting through and pavements used as roads it's madness.
"Who cycles? Not people with shopping. Not people with kids. Not people visiting with luggage. Not the elderly. Not the disabled. Not people with visual or hearing impairment. Not people with knee or hip problems. Not people who don't want to be cold or wet - which it is a lot of the time in Manchester. It's great though for some robust cycling enthusiasts and the Deliveroo drivers. I have various family and friends who have said outright they won't come to town at all until after Christmas as it's so, so bad. And it's bad enough the rest of the time."
Another resident told the newspaper: "Deansgate was built as one of the main thoroughfares in and out of Manchester but what they're doing is forcing traffic down roads that were never built for it. I understand the ambition to get all vehicles out of the city centre but while you have people living and working here, there needs to be a better plan in place."
Others claimed it was "killing bars", while a restaurant owner said: "A lot of Uber drivers are saying people don't want to come into town because of the traffic, and saying they won't pick up or drop off near Deansgate. I wouldn't mind but the cycle lane, you don't see any cyclists coming around so I don't know when they're all supposed to be coming in."
It is to all that context that Walk Ride GM got involved, the group "campaigning to make walking and cycling the natural choice for everyday journeys across Greater Manchester".
They shared the following video of the gridlock chaos...
Oh, we forgot to mention, no, that video isn't from the weekend, but from 2018...
"Deansgate 2018," Walk Ride GM wrote. "Still gridlocked. Notice how there are no cycle lanes to blame the traffic on."
One follower replied: "Exactly, been like that a long time. Why does anyone need to drive down Deansgate? Should be fully pedestrianised."
Another added: "I remember working in Manchester back in 2001, finishing at 10:30pm on a Friday and it taking me an hour to get down Deansgate. That wasn't rare at that point."
In the latest update to the situation, mayor Andy Burnham this morning told BBC Radio Manchester that there will be "a review" over everything next month.
He told residents: "I think we have to review everything and come up with a plan to make it sustainable. We need to have an honest look at everything after December. December is always the hardest because the pressure on the roads is huge. I am going to have an honest review to look at it and come back to [this programme] with how we will make the whole place function better.
"The Christmas Markets have been hugely popular and Co-op Live has changed things. It’s put more footfall into the city and put more cars into the city as the audience is older so more people are driving. People also do not trust the trains."
Burnham concluded that while there are "significant roadworks on Deansgate", there are "other things" too and that in the long-run more people need to "get public transport into the city centre like they do in London". In a statement provided to the MEN, Labour councillor Tracey Rawlins said:
In the spring of 2025 when the Deansgate and Whitworth Street West project comes to a conclusion we will of course then take stock, and undergo a period where it's monitored and assessed to make sure that its planned aims are being achieved. This is a process which takes place for any major infrastructure project and is a key part in the delivery of any scheme of this size.
It is during this period we will look at the impact of the changes, what is working, or what perhaps needs to be amended. This can range from ensuring that signage is properly in place, to how timings on traffic lights are affecting the passage of traffic, to how safely pedestrians and cyclists are able to use the new layout.
As a council we are committed to improving our city centre, making it a cleaner, greener and more pleasant place for people to travel through. We want to encourage more people to walk, cycle or use public transport when travelling into the city centre and, ultimately, we want 90 per cent of peak morning journeys to be made this way; this is why schemes like this are so important if we are to move away from a car-centric city centre.
Transport for Greater Manchester's chief network officer Danny Vaughan added:
It's been an exceptionally busy few weeks with a lot of major sporting, music and other events taking place and people enjoying the festive period. While we've encouraged people who can to use public transport, we've also worked really hard to help people who are driving, including managing signal timings on key roads to help keep traffic flowing and by providing over a thousand of additional park and ride spaces last weekend.
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who claim the cycle lane scheme has "simply not been thought through"
How to know that someone has no idea what they are talking about. Almost every cycle lane (covid excepted) is planned, consulted on, re-planned, criticised, re-designed, argued about, compromised and finally, ten years later, installed. There is literally nothing else which is more thought through.
There is literally nothing else which is more thought through
Agree++. This "simply not been thought through" translates as: "does not assist me and my NIMBY driver pals in our ceaseless quest to drive and park where we like when we like"
Not quite finally. You forgot, and then 10 1/2 years later, ripped out again.
There also seems a constant requirement for public consultation about every change to three roads, but I don't remember there being any consultation about turning our towns and cities the car soaked mess they are now.
Manchester?
Twats in cars not prepared to blame twats in cars for congestion.
Some things never change.
"Brompton recalls G Line after "one reported instance of the Hinge Spindle breaking""
Shimano, take note.
So ... <trying not to unintentionally cause offence or even an international incident> ... I think the most remarkable thing about this is the culture / national character element. I would expect Brompton's natural instinct to be to apologise (whether their fault or not) before their lawyers grabbed hold of the situation with the usual "admit nothing, blame someone else, answer questions with questions and run away" response .... but Shimano are Japanese. The engineers who designed the crank may have made an honest mistake, but this has brought shame on the company and I'm just astonished that there hasn't been a immediate full recall/replace and a number of public resignations by senior executives.
Anybody of a state of mind to take a car into central Manchester is not in a fit state of mind to be behind the wheel of a car.
If the widely publicised roadworks around central Manchester cause people to be confined with their car at the GM Stupid Drivers' Convention, it is a confinement quite literally of their own making.
Its been a long time since you needed facts or proof to spout absolute nonsense in public without getting shouted down. Don't let reality get in the way of a good anti-cyclist whinge.
I think my favourite thing about these pieces is that people always care deeply about things like the disabled or public transport when it comes to cycle lanes. I wonder what they will be saying if you wanted to put more bus lanes in?
They seem to think that their "care" for their "lessers" makes them good people and gives weight to their argument. God knows why.
There are so many caring - nay selflessly dutiful - people in the world. Just look at all the folks with more than 12 points on their driving licences, who are forced to beg the courts to be able to keep driving because their parents they care for / their children / the employees at their business / their pet
tree ratvoledog would otherwise suffer unfairly.(Another outing for "Selective Concern", road.cc articles of yore - and a much more positive look at this here (UK) and here (NL) ).
I know you're after readers, but if you could avoid quoting/parroting the MEN on any story, that would be good. Particularly one involving complex ideas, like taking a 5m x 2m metal box as your personal transportation device is likely to cause others with the same idea delays.
Perhaps its worth pointing out to the Car brained in Manchester that Deansgate used to be dedicated to trams and they should fuck off elsewhere in their selfish-mobiles?
https://x.com/Manchesterpast/status/1469368554348847109?prefetchTimestam...
Can't help but notice that the rate of accidents increased after dic brakes and electronic shifting became the norm. Not saying there is a direct causation, of course.
Btw discs were not really needed for road bikes, but carbon wheels sometimes problematic for rim brakes.
As someone said, yesterday's solutions are today's problems...
Btw discs were not really needed for road bikes
Well, that's definitely BTW in the sense of being nonsense. Disc brakes brake better, and much better in bad conditions and they don't wear our rims. They're also the norm and rim brakes will fade away into the mists of time
Y'know - maybe we should have some kind of debate about the merits of disc brakes compared to other types?
After that we could do the pros and cons of helmets. I don't think that topic has been properly addressed.
I agree- we should lift the lid on these 'no go' shunned topics which have been swept under the carpet and inadequately aired!
Anyone got any thoughts on road tubeless?
I can't imagine that anyone would be interested in such a topic
Thumbs down. Feels much harsher and less grip. Also wears your rims and makes a nasty grinding noise.
Doesn't really offer any protection from being hit with a 10 tonne truck either.
You're thinking of road tyreless
Oh - isn't that the same? Perhaps someone could explain the options?
I was also wondering whether cranks and chainrings are optimally designed. Could some different pattern of these offer some benefits?
I've never heard of anyone coming up with different crank designs - I wonder what marvels await?
That's called a puncture 🤣🤣
Oh - I wondered if I was running the right pressure. Perhaps someone has some thoughts on what that might be for a road bike?
To be boring ... I run tubeless on my road wheel set at 6bar and I'm happy with them.
[I've also got disk brakes too ... 20 to 50 quid on a new rotor beats 400 quid on a new rim. And ... you can make things like pot stands (for camping) and a pizza cutter [after a little bit of grinding and cleaning] ... 😉]
Road tubeless? Worst upgrade I ever made, hoping when I get round to trying over Xmas that I can get the new (non-tubeless, so hopefully a slacker fit) tyres on without puncturing the inner tube. To be fair the front tyre has been fine, but rear I've put unsealable punctures in 2 tyres in less than 100 miles each (mavic and stans sealant).
An incorrigible provocateur, that mark1a
You haven't heard of tubeless patches then? Slightly tougher than inner tube patches and go on the inside of the tyre once you get home and remove the bacon strip.
And Stans is crap.
Or lezyne tubeless pro plugs. I've got a set, but had no chance to try them out. I want to use those mushrooms.
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