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Police stop 50 cyclists for riding without lights in “educational event”… and get blasted for “namby pamby approach” and “two-tier policing”; Why don’t cyclists use the bike lane? Because it’s slippery and squelchy with wet leaves + more on the live blog

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22 November 2024, 09:11
Education operation aimed at cyclists riding without lights (Oxfordshire Fire and Rescue Service on Facebook)
Police stop 50 cyclists for riding without lights in “educational event”… and get blasted for “namby pamby approach” and “two-tier policing” by social media users

Wait, I think I’ve heard this story before!

Almost exactly a year ago, Oxfordshire’s Fire and Rescue Service’s Road Safety Team, together with Thames Valley Police & Brookes University staff, came together to stop cyclists riding without hi-vis or lights on their bikes. With the Christmas-y fervour  apparently setting in rather early with the teams, they decided to display their generosity and let the cyclists go without handing them with a £30 fine — but not before issuing them with some “lights and hi-vis rucksacks” so they could get home “legally and safely”.

And like clockwork, the same three teams got back with the same ‘Be Bright, Be Seen’ joint initiative as part of Road Safety Week, stopping 50 cyclists for cycling without lights. Oxfordshire Fire and Rescue Service wrote on Facebook: “As the event was aimed at educating cyclists, no penalty notices were issued, but instead cyclists were given advice about the importance of being clearly visible to other road users.

“Their bikes were then fitted with a temporary set of lights to ensure they got home safely.

“The second cyclist in the picture shows how difficult it is for other road users to spot cyclists without lights or bright clothing.”

Cyclists riding in the dark (Oxfordshire Fire and Rescue Service on Facebook)

And lo and behold, just like some things never change, the comments were flooded with people fuming about taxpayer’s money being misused, even accusing the police of “going soft” and trying to be everyone’s friend.

“Why are we, the taxpayer, paying to give irresponsible people lights to get home? Everyone knows they need lights when cycling in the dark.”

“Why the namby pamby approach to cyclists, if it was a car or a motorcycle they would be ticketed and fined. Two tier policing again.”

“Typical of a modern policing policy. Just do your job and fine them… Stop trying to be everyone's friend… The reality is that they’ll be laughing at you for getting away with it!”

“Why were they not given a fine? It would happen to a motorist if the police pulled them over for not having their headlights on but there again, common sense does does fail some people.”

With winter well and truly here, it would be a good time to bring back Rule 59 and 60 of the Highway Code. While the former says that cyclists should wear “light-coloured or fluorescent clothing which helps other road users to see you in daylight and poor light,” while the latter dictates that when cycling at night, cycles “must have white front and red rear lights lit. It must also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85).”

> The Highway Code for cyclists — all the rules you need to know for riding on the road explained

However, hi-vis still continues to be a divisive topic amongst cyclists, some disputing its efficacy and arguing that it only serves to perpetuate the tradition of ‘victim blaming’. Yet, there are some who swear by it. One person on Facebook wrote: “Cycling through the winter I couldn’t imagine leaving without putting all my lights and hi-vis bag cover on… anything to make myself as visible as possible especially when leaving Oxford in areas with no street lights.

“At the end of the day, it’s my health I'm putting at risk if I leave with no lights and a car doesn't see me… Why on Earth people take that risk I do not know.

“I stick to having two strong rear red lights. One constantly on, one flashing. Hi-vis bag cover and shoe covers, then on the front I have two lights. One constantly on and one flashes when in street lit areas and then both constantly on when not in street lit areas

“Boggles my mind as a cyclist and driver that people will chose to leave in the winter with no lights.”

One driver said: “Thank you for this initiative. I am a very anxious driver in Oxford at the moment. Cyclist friends please be aware visibility in our car is poor with other cars lights on, glare on our wet windscreens, etc… So we really can’t see you in our mirrors when you pass on the left if you don’t have a decent front light. T-junctions are also a worry as we can’t see you bombing down behind another car at night as we are mostly blinded by their lights…”

> Police stop cyclists without lights, and issue “lights and hi-vis rucksack instead of a fine” so they can “get home safely and legally”

There were also a couple of people who questioned the police’s approach towards dangerous drivers. Juan Escobar commented: “Please also do checks on drivers using mobile phones. It’d be a lot more than 50 though,” while Emma Franks said: “Now go for drivers and take more licences away please. Far too many risky drivers about. At least a cyclist is only likely to hurt themselves.”

And finally, there were some who thought that this was indeed a good approach, Garry Templeman keeping it short and sweet: “Good work. Progressive policing.”

22 November 2024, 17:28
The never-ending story of Residents vs Binley Cycleway in Coventry has a new chapter
"Sir David agrees to save our trees" banner in Coventry (Abigail Hinley on Facebook)

Campaigners attempting to put a stop to the final phase of a cycle lane project in Coventry, which last week saw them take part in a mass tree-hugging event to highlight their opposition to plans to cut down 26 trees to make way for the new active travel infrastructure, have accused the local council of spreading “misinformation” about their motives for opposing the cycleway.

In a formal complaint sent to Coventry City Council this week, Dawn McCann, one of the leaders of the opposition to the planned Clifford Bridge Road cycleway, argued that the local authority was “misleading the public” by “putting out several untrue statements”, denying that the scheme’s original design was rejected by residents due to plans to cut the number of on-street car parking spaces.

However, the head of public realm at Coventry City Council has told road.cc that plans to cut parking spaces had made the scheme “politically unacceptable” to residents, while noting that other areas where the cycleway has been installed have led to a “significant reduction” in collisions, increasing safety for vulnerable road users.

> ‘Tree-hugging’ cycle lane opponents ‘backed’ by David Attenborough accuse council of spreading “misinformation” – but local authority says trees are only being cut down because residents opposed loss of on-street car parking

22 November 2024, 16:58
Bloor Street Bikeway (picture credit City of Toronto).PNG
Cyclists injured or killed on streets where bike lanes were removed banned from suing Ontario government, as opposition politicians call the ban “heartbreaking”

In a troubling development from Canada, cyclists who have been injured or worse in one of the cycle lanes ripped up in Toronto won’t be able to file a lawsuit against the Ontario province’s government, with opposition politicians called the amendment to safeguard the government’s impunity heartbreaking.

Last month, Doug Ford, the premier of Ontario, shocked residents of Canada’s largest city when he pledged to rip out three of the city’s bike lanes “that are just absolutely insanity right now”, resulting in a dramatic backlash from cyclists, campaigners, opposition politicians and Toronto city council.

Now Ford, a businessman and leader of Canada’s Progressive Conservative Party has passed a controversial cycle lane bill on Thursday that would would create legal protections for the province if cyclists are hurt or killed after lanes are removed.

> “He’s stuck in traffic because there are too many people alone in their cars and they’re trying to scapegoat cyclists”: Toronto city council opposes Ontario premier’s bid to rip out recently installed cycle lanes and block future infrastructure plans

The legislation also gives the province the power to remove the entirety of three major bike lanes in Toronto on Bloor Street, Yonge Street and University Avenue, restoring them to vehicle traffic, while also dictating that Ontario municipalities to ask the province for permission to install bike lanes when they would remove a lane of vehicle traffic.

When reporters repeatedly asked Transportation Minister Prabmeet Sarkaria if the amended bill would, in fact, protect the government from lawsuits — he did not answer the question and instead pivoted to government talking points about traffic congestion each time, saying: “We believe bike lanes should be on secondary roads.”

Premier Doug Ford also refused to answer any direct questions from reporters about legal protections, instead choosing to repeat the same lines, reports CBC.

Meanwhile, social democratic party New Democratic Party’s Member of Provincial Parliament Jessica Bell claimed that the new amendments to Bill 212 would make it so people could no longer sue the government if they are hurt on roadways as a result of bike lanes being taken out.

“What this means is the conservatives want to remove themselves from any responsibility if someone is injured or killed in the future,” Bell said. “It’s heartbreaking, because someone will be injured or killed in the future.”

22 November 2024, 15:41
Tadej Pogačar wins the 2024 world road race championships, Zurich (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Former Tour de France winner Pedro Delgado says “Tadej Pogačar’s reign will be a dictatorship”

The greatest cyclist in the world has found himself in the headlines even in the off-season, first beginning with the bumper contract extension with UAE Team Emirates, leading to accusations of sportswashing coming along the Slovenian’s way, and then as details about his €8 million a year contract emerged, chatter around a introducing budget cap was also heard.

Now, 1988 Tour de France winner Pedro Delgado has talked up Pogačar’s attributes and success, while also passing foreboding comments about his impact on the competitiveness of the sport.

Speaking to Spanish newspaper El Diario de Valladolid, Delgado said: “The reign of Pogačar will be a dictatorship… He has no rival. In the Pogačar dictatorship, it's impossible [for rivals] to shine. In comparison, Remco Evenepoel, for all he's really good, seems like he's still learning.”

He added: “Pogačar is a real prodigy. I don't know how long his era will last, not because of his physical qualities, but because he's made winning a habit. Things could fall apart, but I think he'll dominate the sport for the next five years.”

22 November 2024, 14:59
Mathieu van der Poel on his way to winning round 12 of the 2023/24 UCI Cyclocross World Cup in Zonhoven (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
New points system could be on the table as UCI considers counting points earned in track, cyclocross, MTB, BMX and gravel for WorldTour rankings

A major pro cycling overhaul could be on the cards as the UCI has revealed that it’s considering to count points earned by teams in multiple disciplines of the sport other than road racing for determining teams’ WorldTour rankings.

Currently, the UCI WorldTour is the premier men’s elite road cycling tour with 18 teams, sitting above the UCI ProSeries and various regional UCI Continental Circuits. Points won by the teams from road racing competitions are tallied at the end of three years to determine which teams get relegated and which teams get the promotion.

Tom Pidcock, Dublin UCI Cyclocross World Cup 2022 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Tom Pidcock at the 2022 UCI Cyclocross World Cup in Dublin (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Speaking to Sporza, UCI sports director Peter Van den Abeele said pro cycling’s governing body believes the revamp could offer an incentive for teams investing in multi-discipline stars like Filippo Ganna, Mathieu van der Poel, or Wout van Aert.

“What we will strive for is that points from other disciplines will be included in the team classification that determines the WorldTour licenses,” Van den Abeele told Sporza.

“A team like Ineos has a top rider in Filippo Ganna who takes part in major track events,” he said. “That’s great, but Ineos doesn’t get any WorldTour points in return. We want to discuss and change that.”

Van den Abeele said the UCI plans to discuss the idea with stakeholders, but any changes would not take effect until the new WorldTour cycle beginning in 2026.

“In this way, we can offer added value to the team by stating that we fully support them if they let riders ride in other disciplines,” he added.

22 November 2024, 13:40
Rockin’ around the cycle lane Christmas tree: Backlash as city’s massive tree plonked in middle of contraflow bike lane, forcing cyclists into oncoming traffic
Christmas tree plonked in middle of Limerick cycle lane (Limerick Urban Cycling)

After cyclists criticised the “baffling” decision to block the bike lane for the second year in a row, Limerick Council has since moved the tree, allowing cyclists to pass while narrowing the footpath.

> Rockin’ around the cycle lane Christmas tree: Backlash as city’s massive tree plonked in middle of contraflow bike lane, forcing cyclists into oncoming traffic

22 November 2024, 13:00
“Overcrowding highlights the need for more designated parking locations”: Lime responds to news of residents using angle grinders to chop up its abandoned share e-bikes
Lime bike on a pavement (Unsplash)

Lime Bikes has now responded to road.cc’s request for comment after last evening’s news about “pissed off” residents taking to angle grinders to chop up its shared e-bikes which were abandoned by “thoughtless” cyclists in a building’s car park next to the Norbiton train station.

A spokesperson for the US-based company said: “We are disappointed to learn about the criminal damage to our bikes. Poor parking in London is an issue we take very seriously, particularly as demand for our service increases.”

Read more: > “Pissed off” residents use angle grinders to chop up Lime bikes abandoned by “thoughtless” cyclists in private car park

22 November 2024, 12:36
Perils of mountain biking...
22 November 2024, 12:17
Titanium fork with drop bars
What fresh devilry is this???

There, the folks at Ali Express are at it again. This time, I don’t even know how to explain what I’m looking at. Is it a titanium fork? Is it a titanium drop handlebar? Is it both? If yes, why? How am I supposed to reach the drops? And when will I ever need to be positioned so low, crouched like a chicken? So many questions, so few answers…

The product description reads “Titanium race bicycle fork titanium drop handle bar Titanium track bike forks”. I’m sorry if that raises more questions than answers.

Titanium fork with drop bars 2

If any of y’all have a spare £1262 lying around (£478 for the fork/bars — plus an additional £784 for shipping, and no you can’t get a free month of Ali Express Prime), feel free to go ahead and order it. And please, please, let us know what in the holy hell is this thing…

22 November 2024, 11:13
Maxim van Gils (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Is a football-style transfer market system the future for cycling? Maxim van Gils saga with Lotto Dstny rumbles on…

Teams willing to break the bank to get the best players may well have kicked off in football in the 90s, but pro cycling is still, to some degree, averse to the big-money transfer sagas with glitzy, up-and-coming stars and the world’s biggest clubs at the centre of it all.

However, this recent Maxim van Gils story could very well be the start of a new era, with a former Lotto Dstny manager saying there’s nothing wrong with talented riders leaving small teams to join rival teams in search of a better contract and career prospects.

For context, Van Gils, Lotto Dstny’s promising classics star who had a breakthrough spring campaign in the Ardennes — has reportedly tried to rip up his contract in a bid to secure a better deal at another team with the help of his agent Alex Carera, and officials at the Belgian team are fighting tooth and nail to make sure that doesn’t happen.

> More drama at Lotto Dstny, as promising classics star Maxim van Gils tries to rip up contract – but Belgian team says talks about rider’s future are “ongoing”

Now, former Lotto Dstny manager Paul De Geyter has come out to defend the 24-year-old Belgian rider, who has already seen his fair share of controversy in his young career when he hit another rider during a sprint and was fined by the UCI for “dangerous behaviour”.

In an interview with Sporza, De Geyter said: “If someone from a smaller football team can make a transfer to a larger football team, everyone thinks that is a logical step in a footballer's career. But when a rider from Lotto Dstny can go to a team with better support, that rider is portrayed as a money-grabber. I think that is totally wrong.”

De Geyter also called more open transfer market and buyout fees, governed by clear regulations that respect contract laws. Yannick Prévost, Wout van Aert’s agent, responded to these calls saying: “That's not possible at the moment. Because to set up a transfer system, you need to have teams with a lot of capital."

"There are some rich teams, but there are also a number of teams like Lotto-Dstny that have to make sure every year that they don't end up in the red. A system of transfer fees is currently premature for cycling.”

Maxim van Gils (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Maxim van Gils (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Carera, who has previously orchestrated Cian Uijtdebroeks, another promising Belgian rider, break his contract with Bora-Hansgrohe and join one of the most dominant teams in the men’s sport, Visma-Lease a Bike last year, has said that talks with Lotto Dstny are ongoing, but “likely” to end with Van Gils leaving the team. For which team instead? That’s not clear yet.

Of course, this would only happen if the transfer is sanctioned by both Lotto Dstny and the UCI, but it would be fair to say the rider’s relationship with his current team might be all but over — Dmitri Payet for West Ham and Carlos Tevez for Manchester City come to mind, if anyone’s looking for footy analogies.

> Ridley accuses Lotto Dstny of “disloyalty” and “reputational damage” as Belgian team looks to break contract with bike sponsor

Meanwhile, Lotto Dstny officials have been left fuming and scrambling to figure a way to stop this from happening. An unnamed team manager told Belgian television RTBF: “The trust between riders and team leaders is disappearing. Soon, a contract will no longer mean anything and it will be impossible to work in the long term since there is this uncertainty.

“Let's look at this problem the other way around. Could we imagine a team telling its rider, in mid-November when the transfer market is closed: listen, we don't need you anymore, we're going to terminate your contract? No.

“This Van Gils affair is shocking because it is November! This behaviour is not acceptable. It is a lack of respect and recognition for the entire structure of the Lotto Dstny team that trained him and brought him to this level. I think that the rider is tarnishing his image.”

22 November 2024, 10:21
Why cyclists don’t use the cycle lane? Because it’s covered with slippery wet leaves

That’s the bike lane in Priory Lane, Roehampton for you, in case anyone asks why don’t cyclists use all the cycling infrastructure (to be fair, there's only so much).

Suzanne Seyghal, sharing the image on Twitter wrote: “When cycle lanes are this neglected & wet leaves left to pile up, it's definitely safer to stick to the road.”

Bike lane covered with wet leaves, Priory Lane, Richmond (@CurlyAdventurer on Twitter)

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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mdavidford | 3 days ago
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Strapped with broadcasting revenue and teams willing to break the bank to get the best players may have kicked on in the football in the 90s, but pro cycling is still, to some degree, averse to the big-money transfer sagas with glitzy, up-and-coming stars and the world’s biggest clubs at the centre of it all, that have become the norm in football.

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there are also a number of teams like Lotto-Dstny that have to make sure every year that they don't end up in the red.

Not doing a very good job of it - they've been in red for as long as I can remember.

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spen | 3 days ago
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“The second cyclist in the picture shows how difficult it is for other road users to spot cyclists without lights or bright clothing.” - di dthey mean the clearly visible second cyclist?

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AidanR replied to spen | 3 days ago
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Nope, that's the third cyclist. The second one is invisible.

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Hirsute replied to spen | 3 days ago
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Whilst true for that photo, there are situations where no lights means it is very hard to see someone ahead with oncoming traffic with headlights.

You must always have lights at night.

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brooksby | 3 days ago
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A bit 'preaching to the choir', but quite an interesting 10 minute watch:

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/11/22/friday-video-what-if-we-let-bike-...

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the little onion | 3 days ago
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A close pass operation in West Yorkshire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly0w2xzzd4o 

 

Nice to see this as a joint enterprise between local government and the police.

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hawkinspeter replied to the little onion | 3 days ago
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the little onion wrote:

A close pass operation in West Yorkshire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly0w2xzzd4o 

 

Nice to see this as a joint enterprise between local government and the police.

Your link didn't work for me, so here's one that does https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly0w2xzzd4o

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wtjs replied to the little onion | 3 days ago
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A close pass operation in West Yorkshire

They do things differently in Lancashire, where the police have decreed it's impossible to pass too closely to a cyclist so they've never done a 'close pass operation', and the result is that driving schools even train drivers to stay completely within the left lane while overtaking.

Green Pass Training, aka Close Pass Training, claims: All Green Pass assessors have to go through vigorous internal training lasting 6 months, once this is completed our driving assessors are subject to a further half a day training every 6 months conducted by ex-traffic police this gives the directors of Green Pass the confidence that all our assessors will deliver our training to the highest possible standards

Must be Lancashire 'ex-traffic police'

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Surreyrider replied to wtjs | 3 days ago
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In Surrey, that doesn't count as a close pass.

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wtjs replied to Surreyrider | 3 days ago
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No, it's close but not as bad as the vans and massive Stagecoach double deckers. The point is that it's a driving school teaching Lancashire learners to do it because they know Lancashire Constabulary condones the offence. And Green Pass also trains HGV drivers.

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Pedal those squares | 3 days ago
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New one to me "and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85"

That means any cyclist with clipless pedals cycling in the dark is breaking the law.

When I cycle in the dark, I do so with lights,  but I have no refelctors of any colour.

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stonojnr replied to Pedal those squares | 3 days ago
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Not all clipless pedals are built the same, some come with reflectors built in,and some come with the feature to add clip on reflectors, all precisely to meet that rule.

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Rendel Harris replied to Pedal those squares | 3 days ago
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A few years back I had a police officer stop me (they were looking for a recently stolen bike and I had one from the same manufacturer, although not the same model) and after we had established my bike belonged to me he said, "You are supposed to have reflectors on your pedals, you know?" I pointed out the three lights on the front of the bike, three on the back, one each side of my helmet, my fluorescent and reflective jacket and the reflective details on the back of my SPD shoes (it was at night) and he just laughed and said, "I know, stupid law isn't it?" and that was that!

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P3t3 replied to Pedal those squares | 3 days ago
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Pedal reflectors are brilliant, you can tell its a bike from a long way off, I think the fact that the reflectors are moving up and down when pedalling make them all the more effective for being spotted.  Get some clip on ones for your clipless pedals, e.g:

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pedals-cleats/shimano-105-spdsl-pd5800-smpd6...

Front and rear reflectors are part of the "dumby" kit everyone takes off theri bikes for some reason but I wouldn't ride my commute bike without them.  Even if my rear light runs out of battery without me noticing therese a level of passive safety from a rear reflector for example.  

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Rendel Harris replied to P3t3 | 3 days ago
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Alternatively just wear reflective bands around your ankles or choose shoes with reflective detailing/stick a bit of reflective tape on the heels. I'm totally unconvinced of the necessity for rear/front reflectors, by definition they won't reflect unless a car's headlights are shining on them, if the headlights are shining on the rear reflector they will also be shining on the big bloke sitting on the bike wearing a fluorescent jacket with reflective patches...

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Rendel Harris | 3 days ago
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Even so, something is better than nothing. I don't have seperate plastic reflectors on my winter bike, but I do have a patch of 3M relfective tape on the headtube and red reflective tape on my rear mudguard. As I use clipless I rely on reflective bands and detailing on my shoes. I still have two lights front and rear.

I did see someone who also had mini lights on the sides of the drops in addition to the multitude of lights front and rear.

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Rendel Harris replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 3 days ago
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Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

I did see someone who also had mini lights on the sides of the drops in addition to the multitude of lights front and rear.

I've put those on Mrs H's bike and keep meaning to put them on mine as well, they are really effective because not only can drivers see you clearly from the side when you are pulling out of a side road, they also show from front and rear and create an eye-catching disruptive pattern which I think is desirable. Also because hardly anyone else has them it means I can easily pick her out when I look behind to check she's still with me!

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 3 days ago
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+1 for reflectives in motion and the particular up / down is quite an unambiguous signal for "cyclist" (for those drivers who know / have engaged "not just looking for the other motor vehicles" mode...)  I've also added the reflective straws to my spokes.

...but as you say you can get same from reflectives on your feet / legs.

BUT I guess it's a kind of "fluoride in the water" - if bikes should be sold with these then in theory everyone gets the benefit without needing to know or think.  And no effort remembering to put on the reflectives and actually doing so etc.  Of course for "cyclists" smaller SPD pedals are quite likely to mostly be invisible under the ball of the foot...

Also - bigger reflectives are generally "better" in one sense BUT - a bit like "more lights" - don't necessarily signal "cyclist" as opposed to pedestrian, or just "shiny thing".  Or help as much with judging their distance / velocity.  Two points with horizontal separation arguably do that better that e.g. a reflective top.  Though are a bit less helpful than more widely separated motor vehicle front / rear lights.

Aside from that my problem is that a) I tend to run at least one large pannier on my utility bikes which block view of my leg on that side b) the recumbent mostly lives indoors in winter but generally when on it you can't see my pedals, feet or even legs from behind.

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Andrewbanshee replied to chrisonabike | 2 days ago
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As you said the pedals will be hidden anyway. My shoes, 3 pairs of them, have reflective strips on the heel and my winter trousers do too on the ankle. I have not seen any difference in the behaviour of nobhead drivers though.

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 3 days ago
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Like you, I wear shoes with reflective details.

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Hirsute replied to Rendel Harris | 3 days ago
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Yep reflective bands are 360 and far better than simple reflectors.

I'm disappointed that you have more lights than me !

I look forward to my conversation in court.

"You had 4 rear lights of different patterns, reflective jacket, decals on your shoes and tights, reflective ankle bands but no pedal reflectors. How did you expect my client to see you ?"

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anotherflat replied to P3t3 | 3 days ago
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Years ago, driving down a country lane in the pitch dark, the only thing that alerted me to the cyclist in front was their pedal reflectors (dark clothing and no lights or other reflectors).

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Daveyraveygravey replied to Pedal those squares | 3 days ago
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Pedal those squares wrote:

New one to me "and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85"

That means any cyclist with clipless pedals cycling in the dark is breaking the law.

When I cycle in the dark, I do so with lights,  but I have no refelctors of any colour.

I got some Shimano pedals with relflectors for my gravel bike, one side is flat the other is spd clip in. 

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Andrewbanshee replied to Pedal those squares | 2 days ago
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Ì had a conversation with a PO about the lack of pedal reflectors. He amazingly was on a bike without pedal reflectors. He admitted that he couldn't remember ever seeing a police bike with them. Perhaps the newer bikes will have them.
This conversation about clipless pedals without reflectors has been going on for a long time now and is way down the list of what is important.

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brooksby | 3 days ago
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I'd be less concerned about this if I was sure that police were also stopping all those motorists whose cars have a missing headlight or only one working brake light, that sort of thing.

 

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not before issuing them with some “lights and hi-vis rucksacks” so they could get home “legally and safely”.

When did hi-viz become a legal requirement?  I know that lights are - after dark - but I was under the impression that hi-viz was a "It'd be a good idea, m'kay?".

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“The second cyclist in the picture shows how difficult it is for other road users to spot cyclists without lights or bright clothing.”

I can see them.  And I haven't got headlights on which would be lighting them up rather than silhouetting them…

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EK Spinner replied to brooksby | 3 days ago
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I can see them.  And I haven't got headlights on which would be lighting them up rather than silhouetting them…

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TBF the second rider in that picture is not easy to spot, and headlights on a car face forwards only, so a driver positioned as per the camera (waiting to turn out a juction ?) should be looking there but won't be lighting them up, so a rider will be silhouetted by any light behind them.

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GMBasix replied to EK Spinner | 3 days ago
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Just to be clear, the rider is clearly visible, but only if the driver looks.

We can't do that for them. Instead we are obliged to enter an arms race, competing with: overly bright car headlights, fog lights, multiple lighting arrays from form-over-function car designers, infotainment systems with large screens distracting both attention and peripheral vision; and drivers thinking it's OK to mount satnavs and phones within the swept field of view in their windscreens.

It's just not fair that we expect people to look out for other road users, too. Surely it must be their responsibility for 'us' to see 'them'?!

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SimoninSpalding replied to GMBasix | 3 days ago
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GMBasix wrote:

Just to be clear, the rider is clearly visible, but only if the driver looks.

We can't do that for them. Instead we are obliged to enter an arms race, competing with: overly bright car headlights, fog lights, multiple lighting arrays from form-over-function car designers, infotainment systems with large screens distracting both attention and peripheral vision; and drivers thinking it's OK to mount satnavs and phones within the swept field of view in their windscreens.

It's just not fair that we expect people to look out for other road users, too. Surely it must be their responsibility for 'us' to see 'them'?!

Interestingly I have just been reading an article in Commercial Motor during my lunch break (I know, I know, 7th November Issue, I am a bit behind) about human factors in road collisions. It identifies fatigue, stress and distraction as the key (and intertwined) risk factors along with "unconscious bias" from the fact that most mistakes/ poor decisions made by drivers have no consequences so the driver learns that it isn't a problem to take that action again. The conclusion was to train drivers differently and more frequently to reduce the bias, and for employers to ensure that drivers have the right environment to concentrate.

It struck me that this was all very good, but wouldn't necessarily tackle the very conscious bias against other road users displayed by some drivers (and no effect at all on non-HGV drivers), not least members of the editorial team at CM with their views on cyclists.

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GMBasix replied to SimoninSpalding | 3 days ago
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Another justification for CPC training for all licence holders

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SimoninSpalding replied to GMBasix | 3 days ago
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Agreed but in the HGV sphere at the moment as far as I am aware there are no courses that would cover these issues and as the legislation is currently written at 35 hours every 5 years it is not sufficient to effect behavioural change, the article was recommending training interventions every 3-6 months.

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