Shimano announced a significant revamp of its mid-range groupset hierarchy earlier this week that will see a number of its product lines discontinued and amalgamated into a series of 9-, 10- and 11-speed groupsets called Shimano CUES. While this will make for a better, more reliable riding experience according to Shimano, it's also been suggested that the versatility and ability to mix and match components across the range could even help to reduce future supply chain issues in the bike industry.
> Shimano unveils new cross-compatible CUES groupsets for city, touring and mountain bikes
The headline info that appeared in most of the CUES coverage this week focussed on the culling of old groupsets, the lack of triple chainsets and rim brakes on the new products and how the cross-compatibility and more durable Linkglide technology will benefit the rider; however, the bike industry news publication Bike Europe suggests that the unified groupset line-up "should assist with cutting out supply chain delays experienced in the last couple of years."
Shimano CUES might not be your typical sparkly bike industry launch – indeed, it was announced the day before SRAM’s overhauled 12-speed, electronic Force AXS groupset and Cannondale’s revamped Supersix race bike – but it’s one that has implications for a much broader section of the bike-riding population. In the not-too-distant future, any new bike that was previously specced with Shimano Tiagra, Sora, Claris, Altus, Acera, Alivio or Deore components will instead be dressed with CUES. That’s a huge percentage of bikes sold to the general public… a public that rushed to buy bikes and have their old ones fixed up when lockdown hit in 2020, only to find that a lot of bike shops were booked up for weeks with repair jobs, and supply of mid to low-end components was extremely low.
While it was Bike Europe that explicitely suggested that CUES could ease future supply chain problems, Shimano itself puts it like this: “Shimano CUES reduces inventory needs and simplifies the servicing process for mid-tier bikes."
Gradually parts for the older groupsets that CUES is replacing – that are not compatible with the new products – will be phased out over a period of roughly seven years, and going forward CUES parts will be highly interchangeable. To give an example, it would be possible to fit an 11-speed CUES shifter on a bike with a 9-speed set-up and vice versa if emergency replacement parts were required.
In theory, then, if any significant world events occur in the future that disrupt the supply chain, it could be much easier to service and build up bikes with any mix-and-match Shimano CUES-compatible parts that retailers and distributors can get their hands on if sourcing new, full groupsets becomes difficult or impossible.
When asked if Shimano CUES could have eased the bike industry's supply chain woes during the Covid-19 pandemic, mechanic and road.cc reviewer Mike Stead, who penned a glowing opinion piece on the launch earlier this week, said: "Yes, CUES will dramatically ease the burden for shops of stocking many SKUs.
"Prior to CUES, if a Tiagra or 105 bike needed a chain or cassette, it was a rather specific ask, with almost zero chance of going outside the groupset if a shifter or mech broke. Over lockdown I had customers' bikes waiting months for basic parts like chains/cassettes. I sometimes cannibalised my own bikes or parts bins for workarounds. CUES will forestall anything like that for a long time, in the event of another pandemic.
"It also opens the door to manufacturers like Microshift et al to create ranges of components that only need to support one shift ratio, to be addressing a much larger market. Which further de-risks things and opens options for consumers."
Colin Williams, director at FLi distribution, is much less optimistic, saying: "I can't see how it could have helped really.
"If Shimano can make x components, the fact x is all the same, or made up of different models, it doesn't mean supply is better. It might have been a bit easier to manage, but if the overall quantity was the same, I can't see how it would have solved any problems in any significant way."
It appears there is more to Shimano's thinking behind CUES than simply "creating unique experiences", then; although, we can probably all agree it would be preferable if the supply chain issues of the past three years weren't repeated again in a hurry...
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Who wouldn't be in favour of interoperability, of cross-compatibility? My most recent Shimano build uses 10-speed 5703 shifters, 5603 chainset, 6600 chain and 9-speed RD-M772 mech. I can swap the wheelsets between any of my 9- and 10-speed rim-brake bikes.
The problem as I see it is that the CUES system narrowly constrains such interoperability. Right now I am able to mix and match some new, some NOS, and secondhand kit to have a road triple, MTB cassette and rim brakes. I do that at 105 and XT level, but at the moment if I want a triple option from currently available groupsets I have to drop down to Tiagra or Sora triple options. And now it seems that those choices are to be taken away and replaced with heavy, double chainset, hydraulic disc brake kit. Ho hum.
More stockpiling it is then
I'm hoping it doesn't mean people like me who are happy with 8 speed and cable brakes are stuck with Tourney although if the promised durability increase is as good as they say maybe it'll be time to join the modern world and try 9 or 10 speed.
The reality is that Shimano already slim down their inventory, this is taking it a little further.
If you've bought a chain recently you'll have noticed that road and MTB have merged, and across qualities. As groupset versions changed, we saw 105 and Dura-Ace chains dropped, settling on a price-reduced Ultegra chain at 10 speed. Plenty of amateur racers rejected the Dura-Ace cassette offerings as the gains were marginal and the cost, and durability were worse.
There will still be a market for premium products, which may not be compatible with this range, but compatibility across MTB/Gravel/road/hybrid gives large savings in inventory with no real loss of function, even if there might be some that are optimised but not essential for a riding style.
Yep, with the emergence of gravel specific components and with the e-bike lines, the number of SKU's to produce has gotten too big. Shimano is simply cutting costs here, in R&D, production and logistics.
"If Shimano can make x components, the fact x is all the same, or made up of different models, it doesn't mean supply is better. It might have been a bit easier to manage, but if the overall quantity was the same, I can't see how it would have solved any problems in any significant way."
Let's do some mental-exercise maths:
If Shimano has 10 types of cassette, each unique based on spline or cogset spacing, and they have in stock 10 of each, that's 100 cassettes that can work for a maximum of 10 out of 100 consumers. Maybe one is Dura-Ace and therefore only relevant to 1% of riders, another is Tiagra and relevant to 50% of riders. You get the idea. But the shop needs to have one of each type, to guarantee they can support everyone.
If they have a second 100 of one tier of cassette that works on any spline and has standardised cogset spacing (or the cassettes they have are interchangeable within reason), that's 100 cassettes that can work for 100 consumers.
So a given consumer walking into a shop needing a cassette from the first 100 has a 1 in 10 chance of being supported. And the shop has to stock 10 cassettes - one of each - to guarantee any customer walking in can be helped. and chances are the most-common version will go first. And as soon as one is used, the shop can't support any other customer coming in with the same need, unitl that used one is backfilled.
BUT, if a shop stocks ten of the second type of cassette, *any* customer walking in can be helped. And the shop doesn't need to immediately order another cassette to replace it.
So - unless my thinking is totally whack - the industry and consumers are far better off with an ecosystem like CUES where there is interoperability, standardisation, and parts can be substituted in a pinch. This will take time to spread across the cycling world - maybe a few years - but I have no doubt that within say 5 years people will look back on CUES as a watershed moment for all of cycling.
Mike, we were discussing if it would have solved the problem during Covid. When lets say Shimano make 100 cassettes, they were all sold out, so if they'd been 100 of one type or 1 each of 100 types it would have made no difference, the shops couldn't get them because the bike brands were buying them all. My point was it wouldn't have solved the supply chain problem, which was bascially demand being way over supply, across all price points.
But yes of course its a good idea to make less standards so its easier for shops and distributors to stock etc etc. That's good at anytime, but when there is ZERO stock, it doesn't matter what name the product has when there is none.
It will make no difference. They are the ones producing the groupset and are in control of how many they make. The reason for supply shortages when they have multiple groupsets is not because they have multiple groupsets. It's because they aren't making enough.
Over the last few years, when vast amounts of far east production and also transport links have been shut down for considerable periods because of Covid, they've hardly had full control of production and supply levels, have they?
How would making one groupset instead of 10 solve that issue then? Also good to see your wife let you use her computer in her flat to make a comment. Good for her.
Well this is quite special, Martin73 developed an entirely baseless fantasy, for some strange sad reason of his own, that my wife and I do not have joint ownership of our flat and now this troll is taking that idea and running with it so I don't even own my computer now. Unwarranted personal abuse because I suggested that Shimano's supply chain may have been disrupted by Covid. These people have serious issues.
Someone forgot which one they were again (or got bored with the act)?
On the point - initially if most of the supply is in one place then yes, doesn't help. However if a big dog going standard across a lot of its range persuades others to do likewise - a big if but not unheard of - that's good some years down the line if you're in that bigger group of users.
"Wait and see" would be my take.
It's good to see your mum let you use hers.
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There are many advantages in manufacturing to reducing the variants produced, both in shop floor organisation and in component storage. I'd expect there to be a big payback in manufacturing costs, but if they can attain a similar marketing range by simple tweaks great. Imagine a 9 speed changer just being an 11 speed with a stop placed in a different way to block the last 2 changes. I doubt the manufacturing costs of current Tiagra are any different to manual 105, so in future although they may have some quality of material variations, if they can keep the underlying components the same, any cost savings in simpler or cheaper elements may be blown away by manufacturing savings.