Hit-and-run driver who killed motorcyclist jailed for 24 years

Racist, misogynist, outing minor groups style of username.

There are far more political posts made by others which can be insulting to people who don't share that view or the inane 'yestotheeu' one word replies.

Usernames such as BlindedByCyclistsBS simply signal an anticyclist outlook and are usually dealt with by a pile on.

No2Modernavax or just man_not_responsible_for_ climate_change is more what I was thinking of, but hey you took it and ran with it

Neither of those are horrible or hateful.
Not offensive either. You may disagree with them but the content of what is written in a post is rather more important.

NOtotheEU wrote:

David9694 wrote:

Nope. If he wants to come on this forum with a stupid and provocative handle, I will go on challenging him.

I have used that handle for over 20 years on all my online activity and apart from on here have only had two people complain about it previously, both from games I play.

It certainly isn't meant to be provocative now although I imagine pre referendum that was probably on my mind. I also don't believe it is stupid but you are entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to insult you over it. 

if you feel the need to type Yes to the EU after all my comments I take no offence at all but please do at least be polite.

So tell us about all the Brexit benefits then. 

Cycling wise, an awful lot of people are perceiving increased driver anger on the roads. That has links to the referendum result and the consolidation of a right-wing "us" identity with cyclists being among among the out groups. It is costing lives and a lot of people who would cycle are quitting.  
Rose in Germany no longer sell to the UK and Spa no longer sell to Europe.  Port queues, shortages. 
If you hadn't noticed, we're also getting massively poorer as a nation: interest rates and inflation that we didn't have during the EU membership.
A government that remains bizarrely stuck, a nation like a pavement parked SUV driver that cannot accept they were and are wrong. 
The hope with Brexit was to fracture the EU, but thankfully the pressures of this year have served to make it stronger. 

I stubbed my toe in 2015.

I haven't stubbed it since we left the EU.

A clear Brexit benefit

About as relevant as most of the nonsense you just posted.

There's Brexit itself (bad enough on its own terms) and then what Brexit has ushered in as its follow-through, that probably would not now be happening had Remain won. 

So no Brexit benefits then?

what was Brexit about?  Not about observable facts, as you've made clear. 

There's too much going wrong, too many people suffering real hardship - none of it helped by our being "out" - for this luxurious philosophical vagueness.  

If this right-wing coup hadn't been swung by whatever means, we might not be looking at a government flailing around trying to pull something out of the wreckage that might be somehow be described as an upside with lifting motorway speed limits and slackening already pretty basic MOT requirements. The motor lobby want to go faster, reduce already meagre restrictions and this government is listening because it has nothing else.

Independent candidates stand in UK elections at every level, but very few get supported.  Not sure why you think the referendum was so worthwhile in this regard. 

Your take about the negotiations and implementation is delusional - apart the whole proposition being flawed from the start, we turned down many opportunities offered by the EU to make it less worse all round.  Now, to them we are a bizarre irrelevance. We were never going to be allowed to have our cake and eat it - I don't think those claiming to press for this believed it either.

I'd love to say full rejoin, but as a nation we need come to our senses en masse for that to realistic - how much hardship must there be before we do? But there I go again - you won't ever change your mind. 

NOtotheEU wrote:

What was Brexit about? For me personally it was about what the EU is. 

In my opinion, it was a power struggle by the far-right Tories who spotted a way to reduce people's rights and funnel money towards themselves.

NOtotheEU wrote:

...the earliest convincing anti-EU arguments that I remember were from Tony Benn.

An interesting point and why one can't polarise leave/remain, left/right, capitalist/socialist positions as mutually exclusive.

Tony Benn of course campaigned in the 1975 EEC referendum alongside Enoch Powell on the "out" side, Jeremy Corbyn's EU views are long known, and Mick Lynch and the RMT advised members to vote leave in 2016. Ken Clarke is very much a europhile and campaigned to join the single currency. 

You reckon the problem is the implementation of Brexit - so where in your view should we now be at, had it been done in the right way? 

Normally follow along but you've lost me on this one:

"Cycling wise, an awful lot of people are perceiving increased driver anger on the roads. That has links to the referendum result and the consolidation of a right-wing "us" identity with cyclists being among among the out groups. It is costing lives and a lot of people who would cycle are quitting.  "

...I'm feeling you reaching for the 1930s Germany comparison - do I have you right?

More like this old familiar 

Indeed, but actually the humour in this has dissipated with re- viewing. And in this context if that's how you see the UK population, that's pretty drastic. (Doubtless people will identify localities they feel ARE mostly composed of such types)

And it's missing "avid cyclist" too ("as an avid cyclist myself I'm appalled by the behaviour of...").

https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/who-are-all-these-avid-cyc...

chrisonatrike wrote:

  ...if that's how you see the UK population, that's pretty drastic.

just drivers. Why all the catastrophising?  

I vaccinate between sarcastic ha-ha and deadly accuracy eg when it's another "cyclists should...." tweet. 

enjoyed the "Avid" piece. 

David9694 wrote:

Are you one "them", perchance?

What, a cyclist? Because frankly that's all I care about within the context of a discussion forum on a cycling website. 

So far as the site goes, "nototheeu" is the pavement parked Range Rover, I am the teed-off local putting a note on his windscreen and you are the onlooker telling me not to make a fuss.

As they say in all the best school playgrounds, "he started it, Miss"

I don't think it's polite to respond to a user based purely on their username unless it's to make a joke in friendly fashion. I think it's better to respond to what people have written with the exception of the obvious trolls and I can't recall NOtotheEU banging their drum about EU politics. Obviously, they are free to post anti-EU opinions which would then be appropriate to respond to, but otherwise it's unfair.

Just thought i'd throw my oar in as an anti-Brexiter.

We've established with a little bit of wrinkling that he is indeed consistent with his handle, so and have met the test you describe.

David9694 wrote:

We've established with a little bit of wrinkling that he is indeed consistent with his handle, so and have met the test you describe.

Consistent with their username, but not vocal about it and at least one post specifying no desire to get into a big Brexit debate.

I initially thought they could be one of our infamous trolls when I first saw the username, but their posts are interesting and informative at times - definitely not a troll in my opinion.

It's basically just harassment.

Rich_cb wrote:

It's basically just harassment.

I wouldn't go that far, as I can only recall a few responses to NOtotheEU, and in this instance it was just a comment that referenced their username.

HarrogateSpa does it all the time and David9694 seems like they're keen to follow that example.

I think harassment is an appropriate description.

Rich_cb wrote:

HarrogateSpa does it all the time and David9694 seems like they're keen to follow that example. I think harassment is an appropriate description.

Certainly having two posters do that must be very annoying.

Is writing "yes to the EU" really harassment?

If it's after almost every single post then yes.

Rich_cb wrote:

It's basically just harassment.

A line often taken by Cyclingmikey's 'phone using drivers.