Is this a record? Helmetcam cyclist catches driver using 3 mobile devices at same time while driving badly (and in the bus lane) in London rush hour traffic

Critchio wrote:

I don't understand this cam user. I get using a cam for things like being involved in accidents but he says he has no confidence in the Police to do anything and publishes the footage to his YouTube channel to bring about social pressure.

Probably wants vigilante justice in whatever form it can gained. As you say, society is fucked with this attitude.

Critchio wrote:

Why waste time and effort in something potentially very serious if you are prepared to do nothing about. This is a case of choosing not to report this to police so one can then whinge about police inaction. Which may be the case but you have to try and make the effort. Society really is fucked.

Have you ever attended a police station to report something like this?  Talk about wasted time and effort, it takes at least an hour to get your statement done, only to be told later that the driver has been "spoken to" and no further action is required.

I don't blame him at all for not reporting it.  It's a laborious, time-consuming process and if he reported every instance of dangerous driving he saw, he'd have no life whatsoever.  A bit like you.

Peowpeowpeowlasers wrote:

Critchio wrote:

Why waste time and effort in something potentially very serious if you are prepared to do nothing about. This is a case of choosing not to report this to police so one can then whinge about police inaction. Which may be the case but you have to try and make the effort. Society really is fucked.

Have you ever attended a police station to report something like this?  Talk about wasted time and effort, it takes at least an hour to get your statement done, only to be told later that the driver has been "spoken to" and no further action is required.

I don't blame him at all for not reporting it.  It's a laborious, time-consuming process and if he reported every instance of dangerous driving he saw, he'd have no life whatsoever.  A bit like you.

I don't think there was any need for the "he'd have no life whatsoever.  A bit like you" comment!

I understand the filmer not reporting every single incident, but this is surely an exceptional capture that warrents reporting?

Having said that, maybe what is called for is a staged protest of all cyclists with such footage going to their local police station to report these issues on the same day. The overwelming influx of such footage would certainly highlight the issue and maybe even get things changed?

Just a thought.

ClubSmed wrote:

Peowpeowpeowlasers wrote:

Critchio wrote:

Why waste time and effort in something potentially very serious if you are prepared to do nothing about. This is a case of choosing not to report this to police so one can then whinge about police inaction. Which may be the case but you have to try and make the effort. Society really is fucked.

Have you ever attended a police station to report something like this?  Talk about wasted time and effort, it takes at least an hour to get your statement done, only to be told later that the driver has been "spoken to" and no further action is required.

I don't blame him at all for not reporting it.  It's a laborious, time-consuming process and if he reported every instance of dangerous driving he saw, he'd have no life whatsoever.  A bit like you.

I don't think there was any need for the "he'd have no life whatsoever.  A bit like you" comment!

I understand the filmer not reporting every single incident, but this is surely an exceptional capture that warrents reporting?

Having said that, maybe what is called for is a staged protest of all cyclists with such footage going to their local police station to report these issues on the same day. The overwelming influx of such footage would certainly highlight the issue and maybe even get things changed?

Just a thought.

I agree that the 'a bit like you' bit was unnecessary antagonism.

But you yourself threw in an equally unnecessary speculation that the filmer wanted 'vigilante justice' and blamed his 'attitude' for the ills of society.
That seems just as bad, to me.
He filmed it, that's something, be nice if he reported it but he presumably has his reasons for not doing so. If you don't like that he doesn't want to report it, you are free to go out there and film these guys yourself.

Edit - I suppose I feel like that because I don't believe that individually reporting every one of these guys, one-by-one, is really going to solve the problem, any more than filming them does anyway.

There's an unlimited supply of them. The benefit of either filming or reporting them is merely that its a data-point to illustrate the futility of promoting 'sharing the road' and talk of 'personal responsibility'.

It illustrates why we need to get motorised vehicles off of more roads and away from everyone else. Human beings can't be trusted to use them safely.

FluffyKittenofTindalos][quote=ClubSmed wrote:

I agree that the 'a bit like you' bit was unnecessary antagonism. But you yourself threw in an equally unnecessary speculation that the filmer wanted 'vigilante justice' and blamed his 'attitude' for the ills of society. That seems just as bad, to me. He filmed it, that's something, be nice if he reported it but he presumably has his reasons for not doing so. If you don't like that he doesn't want to report it, you are free to go out there and film these guys yourself.

When I refer to "Vigilante Justice" I mean the online shaming in a hope that it reaches someone who knows the person in question and confronts them. I was not sugesting that someone needs to don a mask and patrol the night. I appologise for any confusion there, I admit that I was quite ambiguous.

He did say "I think is better to create pressure through social media than stating the obvious to a police man which is that most drivers is breaking the law using a mobile" which would support my assumption.

I also stand by the statement that the attitude of dealing with matters like this through hope and chance rather than through the correct channels is not the way to progress society, quite the opposite.

I do actually film my commute to work and back but don't encounter these issues as 99% of my commute is through parks, along canal paths and river sides. If I do encounter such as this I will do as you suggest and report it.

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Edit - I suppose I feel like that because I don't believe that individually reporting every one of these guys, one-by-one, is really going to solve the problem, any more than filming them does anyway. There's an unlimited supply of them. The benefit of either filming or reporting them is merely that its a data-point to illustrate the futility of promoting 'sharing the road' and talk of 'personal responsibility'. It illustrates why we need to get motorised vehicles off of more roads and away from everyone else. Human beings can't be trusted to use them safely.

I don't see it the same way. I would argue that "reporting every on of these guys, one-by-one" en-mass would certainly get the attention of the police and hopefully others too. This I would see going towards solving the problem through awareness and forced action through the correct channels. At the very least, if the police were overwhelmed with such reports and footage they would be forced to make it easier to report such things.

ClubSmed wrote:

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Edit - I suppose I feel like that because I don't believe that individually reporting every one of these guys, one-by-one, is really going to solve the problem, any more than filming them does anyway. There's an unlimited supply of them. The benefit of either filming or reporting them is merely that its a data-point to illustrate the futility of promoting 'sharing the road' and talk of 'personal responsibility'. It illustrates why we need to get motorised vehicles off of more roads and away from everyone else. Human beings can't be trusted to use them safely.

I don't see it the same way. I would argue that "reporting every on of these guys, one-by-one" en-mass would certainly get the attention of the police and hopefully others too. This I would see going towards solving the problem through awareness and forced action through the correct channels. At the very least, if the police were overwhelmed with such reports and footage they would be forced to make it easier to report such things.

Well, I could be wrong. I'm just deeply pessimistic about the idea, given how commonplace this sort of crap driving is (not to mention the lack of police response others have mentioned).
I tried a camera once, after I suffered a hit-and-run and failed to get the licence plate. But the only one I could afford only had like 15 minutes battery life! If I had a good camera it would likely cost nearly as much as the bike, and I'd then have to worry about that getting damaged as well.

Critchio wrote:

I don't understand this cam user. I get using a cam for things like being involved in accidents but he says he has no confidence in the Police to do anything and publishes the footage to his YouTube channel to bring about social pressure.

How exactly is this going to bring about social pressure. Like the driver (probably a drug dealer) gives a fuck and will watch the footage and learn the error of his ways.

No, instead our cam user passes a police van and does nothing then bleats about it online and bleats about the police doing nothing.

The clip is just novelty value. We all know it happens. Why waste time and effort in something potentially very serious if you are prepared to do nothing about. This is a case of choosing not to report this to police so one can then whinge about police inaction. Which may be the case but you have to try and make the effort. Society really is fucked.

I think these sorts of clips do illustrate how badly so many drivers drive, and the absurdity of claims that 'personal responsibility' and 'situational awareness' by cyclists will keep them safe, and of claims that having licence plates and insurance and a testing regime makes road-users behave themselves..Its an implicit retort to things like that idiotic petition.

I agree that one would want to see this particular knobhead have the book thrown at him and its frustrating to think he's going to get away with it. But that's an individual morality thing - I don't believe reporting him will change the bigger picture.

STiG911 wrote:

If it's untaxed, there's a good chance it's not insured either, which makes it all the more galling that he's not reported it as it'll probably get seized.

I'd assumed that he was a dealer using a copied reg plate or stolen car.

Either way I don't think he cares what happens to the car.