EU pledges £19.5m to create sustainable travel routes on either side of the Irish border

robbieC wrote:

Irish border has been open since independence as the UK and Ireland formed a free trade area. Since at least 1949 Citizens of Ireland have the same rights here are Brits and can even stand for parliament. It only got complicated during the troubles. 

 

It's actually a common travel area (before the single market, there very much were customs checkpoints on all approved crossing points between NI & RoI)

ktache wrote:

So that's one border we cannot take back control of.  And the rest is mostly coastline, so we had control of that too.

the UK and Ireland had already opted out of the schengen agreement - so brexit had no bearing on that issue from the start

the fact that brexit was in some ways hijacked by xenophobes with no idea what they were saying is really not a good reason for remainers to buy into the idea that was ever an issue in the first place

equally, in response to rliu, the British government's support for a financial transaction tax was conditional on it being implemented worldwide - it was not a case of us being for and the eu being against, but rather simply a fear of us losing out

the fact that the EU does invest in schemes such as this and other subsidies is also a bit of a distraction from the economic reality of being part of a trading block

the main point I was making was not about whether this was desirable or not, but the idea that binary thinking defined by an imagined, idiotic, straw man, was detrimental to any given point of view on the matter

ktache wrote:

As part of the peace process the border has to remain open.  Northern Ireland and it's peace process will complicate brexit.  Every citizen of Northern Ireland can get an Irish and therefore European passport, and citizenship.

indeed

handlebarcam wrote:

Why is the mean old EU persisting with its efforts to boost cross-border cooperation and find sustainable solutions to real problems based on local geography rather than traditional nationality. Don't they know it only confuses and angers the poor Brexiteers, who cannot process anything more complex than a simplistic Britain-against-the-rest-of-the-world narrative. If everyone benefits, and "we" aren't screwing over the outsiders, how can "we" know who is winning?

straw man arguments are only detrimental to your own viewpoint, no one else's

if you wish to support the neoliberal corporate banking elite, just say so

beezus fufoon wrote:

handlebarcam wrote:

Why is the mean old EU persisting with its efforts to boost cross-border cooperation and find sustainable solutions to real problems based on local geography rather than traditional nationality. Don't they know it only confuses and angers the poor Brexiteers, who cannot process anything more complex than a simplistic Britain-against-the-rest-of-the-world narrative. If everyone benefits, and "we" aren't screwing over the outsiders, how can "we" know who is winning?

straw man arguments are only detrimental to your own viewpoint, no one else's

if you wish to support the neoliberal corporate banking elite, just say so

Most delusional thing I've heard since the last brexiter. Let's not forget the UK government fought tooth and nail to prevent the EU imposing a financial transactions tax, at the behest of the banking lobby. Just because the EU isn't keen on Greece defaulting on hundreds of millions of loans doesn't mean it's a banker run stitch up.

rliu wrote:

beezus fufoon wrote:

handlebarcam wrote:

Why is the mean old EU persisting with its efforts to boost cross-border cooperation and find sustainable solutions to real problems based on local geography rather than traditional nationality. Don't they know it only confuses and angers the poor Brexiteers, who cannot process anything more complex than a simplistic Britain-against-the-rest-of-the-world narrative. If everyone benefits, and "we" aren't screwing over the outsiders, how can "we" know who is winning?

straw man arguments are only detrimental to your own viewpoint, no one else's

if you wish to support the neoliberal corporate banking elite, just say so

Most delusional thing I've heard since the last brexiter. Let's not forget the UK government fought tooth and nail to prevent the EU imposing a financial transactions tax, at the behest of the banking lobby. Just because the EU isn't keen on Greece defaulting on hundreds of millions of loans doesn't mean it's a banker run stitch up.

I voted remain

beezus fufoon wrote:

I voted remain

And as I understand it, so did most of Northern Ireland.

I don't see how part funding cycle routes supports the neoliberal corporate banking elite.

ktache wrote:

beezus fufoon wrote:

I voted remain

And as I understand it, so did most of Northern Ireland.

I don't see how part funding cycle routes supports the neoliberal corporate banking elite.

will the cycle routes be subject to the Schengen agreement?

CygnusX1 wrote:

I was reading this seriously until I got to the bit about the Donegal village of Muff, and then my inner Beavis & Butthead kicked in.

They have a famous diving club.

Don't believe me...

http://www.muffdivingclub.ie/