A road.cc reader has filmed the moment he says the disc brake rotor of a fellow cyclist he was riding with caused a deep cut in his leg, which a week and a half later is still an open wound.
Peter Curtis-Brown sent us the above footage of the incident, which happened on Sunday 23 April when he was on a café ride with friends passing through Cholmondeley near Nantwich in Cheshire.
“It was a small social group ride and the group had split up at a junction,” he told us. “They were in the process of coming back together.
“As I slowed up the two riders behind me did not react in time and crashed into me. It was at very slow speed. I didn’t even fall off. The video shows the disc brake-equipped bike coming up my right-hand side.”
The 43-year-old, who works as a broker consultant for an insurance company and lives in Nantwich, was treated at Leighton Hospital in Crewe, and took this picture the following day.
“The wound was cleaned and the skin unpicked out (very painful), with the whole process taking about three hours,” he said, adding that no other rider was hurt in the incident.
The bike that ran into Peter’s leg was a 2017 Specialized Roubaix.
The California-based firm has been at the centre of the controversy over the trial of disc brakes in professional cycling, with Lotto-Soudal rider Adam Hansen saying in January that the brand was trying to force the technology on the peloton before concerns over safety had been fully resolved.
> Lotto-Soudal pro Adam Hansen says Specialized is trying to force disc brakes on peloton
But last month, the company’s founder and CEO, Mike Sinyard, said he believed that disc brakes were “adding to safety, not danger, and if anything, the chainring on the front is a bit more dangerous.”
He predicted that all professional riders would be racing on bikes within disc brakes within two years, and that in future all road bikes would have them.
> Specialized boss Mike Sinyard says in future, all road bikes will have disc brakes
Peter sent the company photos of the disc brake rotor, on which blood can be seen, with the company asking him if he could provide a link to the video, but said he was "disappointed" with its response.
Referring to the picture below, he told us: “This blade looks like it is designed to cut and if you look at the blood line I feel it influenced the severity of my cut.
“More work needs to be done to make these safer bearing in mind this is on a 2017 model bike being sold today!”
Peter said that his experience had led him to change his opinion of disc brakes.
“Prior to this incident I did not hold a strong option on the use of disc brakes,” he said. “I now feel that in their current state they are only suitable when riding by yourself.
“If they can do that much damage in such a low speed crash then they should not be on bikes that are going to be used in group rides whether that be amateur of professional.
“On a side note the injury has impacted me more that I first thought it would,” he continued.
“I can’t exercise at the moment as the wound is still open,” said Peter, who sent us this picture of how it looks 10 days on.
“I have had to withdraw from a triathlon I was due to compete in,” he added.
“I am going away this weekend and it was due to involve some open water swimming. I can’t do that now. I have not been able to go swimming at the gym so probably a month’s membership will go down the drain.”
We have contacted Specialized UK for a comment.
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I suggest you watch the video again. It was the following rider on the specialised who has the disk brakes yet failed to slow adequately and injured the front rider.
Nasty gash there. Hope you're back on your bike soon.
Bit of an freak accident, as the Roubaix Rider got distracted by the hikers and never actually, you know, braked, (you can see his right hand lever completely free on impact). IMHO if you're not paying attention until you're about to hit someone; apply rule #5 and OTB it.
As far as the bigger debate goes: people have died strangled by seatbelts. Yep, this is a clear-cut rotor injury. There will be more. And alltough rounding off the rotors seems like an easy enough thing to do, IMHO disk brakes remain safer than rim brakes. And much safer than using calipers on carbon wheels. YMMV.
Lesson learned, I'm sure they'll be a bit tighter with the skillz after this.
WIll be interesting to see Specialized's response, if any.
Where's the footage from the helmet cam of the guy on the red bike?
Not only is the group riding appaling, both of the riders who hit poor Peter need to learn some basic bike handling skills.
If you look closely at the video, the first rider who hits him, the guy in hi viz with the white bike, is riding on the hoods but when he finally realises Peter is slowing, instead of braking with his hands on the hoods, before attempting to brake, drops his right hand only into the drop, then goes to grab the brake but has his index finger between the brake lever and the handle bar, so even if he had managed to apply some brake before coming together, which it doesn't look like he did, he wouldn't have been able to get full power. His left hand is still on the hood but his fingers are nowhere near the brake lever.
As for the guy on the Red Roubaix, he isn't even looking ahead and ploughs into both of them, after veering left and again it doesn't look like his fingers are on the brake levers as he collided with them.
If it wasn't so bad it would be hilarious. I am only glad I don't ride with that group!!!
I guess disk brakes are only as effective as the 'cyclist' using them.
Using a mate's calf as the retarder is probably not the best idea.
Yes that 'group' riding was fairly shambolic, no comms at all.
The BMW driver was probably pissing himself laughing at mamils on their toys....
watched it about 10 times now - it's mesmerising - I love the way the knees out guy just about reaches his brake lever at the moment of impact
I think I normally have fingers on levers, when on someone's wheel.. This guy looks like he has his hands on the tops and has to move to the drops before braking.
yeah - I lent an mtb-er friend a road bike for a trip out once - the last road bike he'd been on was an old raleigh athena with the extra brake lever extentions for the tops - he ended up riding into a hedge at about 3 kph!
I was going to buy a new angle grinder this month but clearly disc brakes are better.
Rotating cutting tool... albeit with a blunt rounded cutting edge. This is the sort of incident that I could see doing exactly the damage it did.
In higher energy impacts I'd struggle to see how the disc would remain in contact with the leg for so long, but in a slow incident like this, you can see how it happens.
I must say the group were dis-organised and not paying attention to have this coming together.
Unlucky injury, it could of been or not the disc rotor, there are so many sharp pointy bits on a cycle which can open skin like a stanley knife.
Really? What, like rim brakes?
The problem is, other sharp spikey bits (such as the chainrings) are essential to the functioning of the bicycle, therefore the risk is implied. Disc breaks aren't essential to the functioning of the bike as rim breaks can be used effectively instead, and so this is an added risk when cycling.
Ultimately, it comes down to a balance of how much extra risk you're willing to take for the performance gain it goves you. For me, it's just not worth it.
I really don't know how I've survived mtb and cyclocross for all these years without a disc injury!
So rounding off won't do much an external projection like that would require a larger radius than the thickness of the disc to be of any use. I think from memory on a car external projections need to be minimum 3.2 radius to be legal and that is only really affective at low speeds. I don't think the actual rotating disc is much of an issue either the issue is the minimum 60+ kg rider and bike hiting someone with a thin piece of metal at speed.
Either way discs aren't going anywhere but I can understand why racers are a little bit underwhelmed for them it yet another risk they have to deal with and the marginal gain (for them) doesn't seem to be worth it.
I'll take my engineers hat of now and go and look at some sexy bikes.
Right, that does it. As soon as I get home I'm going to remove the brake rotors from my bike. It'll make it much safer that way!
Okay, so:
Assuming that the leg pictures are all of the correct orientation, how come he got a cut on his left leg from a right-side impact?
I'd say given the impact speed of the first bike it's the more likely culprit, but that still doesn't explain a cut on the front of his leg!
Or is it just me?
The picture is of the back of his right calf.
This is the first time I've seen anything that suggests a disc can cut, but I still don't believe they're a serious safety hazard. Potholes are more dangerous and there are hundreds of thousands of those about.
Think it's just you. Photo of injury clearly looks to be lateral (outer) aspect of right calf slightly posterior to midline. Disk is on left side of front wheel. Mechanism of injury seems pretty straightforward.
Edited to add - SuperG - while there are no doubt exceptions, as a general rule, cross and MTB races tend to have fewer instances of riders sticking in large groups, and certainly less likelihood pf multi-rider crashes.
Does look suspiciously like the rotor could be the item causing the injury. I'm very pro disk but this looks fairly convincing.
OT I know. What the hell was making that noise? Has he got spokey dokes?
No sign on the audio that there was a verbal warning of a slowing/stop. The group I ride in shout out car up/down, junction stop etc.
Still believe there are far more pros to disk brakes than negatives.
..and yes, the group riding skills are appalling here. But you can't legislate for that and the manufacturers should have for seen such a situation.
That's pretty nasty. Regardless of my own anti-disc prejudices (I accept they're not going away any time soon.. ) why can't manufacturers round off the edges at least? Id be pretty pissed that new equipment these manufacturers are pushing could have injured me in that way due to the design.
Crashes are almost inevitable in group riding so should they perhaps revisit the design?
They should be more worried about their group riding skills.
I can't see ( in the video) where the rotor touches anyone???
Kudos, not so much as a muttered expletive. I'd be crying like a little girl.
At least the wound looks happy...
chicks dig scars!
Didn't appear to aid stopping either.
*grabs popcorn*
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