Held annually since 1887, Catford CC claim their Hill Climb is the oldest continuously run bike race in the world... and following an advert which stated the club were going to offer £300 for the overall winner and just £75 for the 1st female for the 2019 event this weekend, some were accusing Catford CC of still being stuck in the past.
The ad shared on social media (above) caused a stir on Twitter and hill climb forums on Facebook, and complaints were made to Catford Cycling Club calling for changes to the prize pot. A cyclist taking part in the famous climb this Sunday told road.cc that the issue was raised a number of weeks ago, and after it became apparent the majority of hill climbers were in favour of a redistribution, this morning entrants received an email from the club with the new prize pot.
Catford CC have scrapped prizes for 'overall' winners, and will now offer £100 for the 1st place male and 1st place female, £50 for 2nd, and £25 for 3rd. They have also restructured prize money for veteran and junior finishers in the same way, with cash prizes for 1st, 2nd and 3rd male and female veteran finishers, and 1st junior male and female finishers.
It's not the first time hill climb events have come under scrutiny for failing to offer equal prizes and prize money; recently it emerged that the upcoming Welsh National Hill Climb Championships will give a trophy to the male winner, but there wouldn't be one for the female champion because the organisers say they didn't have another donated to them. A crowdfunder was created to have a trophy made, raising over the £500 target in 24 hours.
road.cc understand that numerous prominent cyclists in the hill climb community are currently in discussions with Cycling Time Trials to make a rule that prize money has to be equally distributed between genders at all CTT-sanctioned events.
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Equality is never really equality. Look at something like the TDY prize money. Equal to the men....but they only do two days and the workload is usually easier.
Surely gender is just a social construct and we can all just compete together? Yeah?
Don’t women have dinners to make on a Sunday?
Catford CC President here.
I have personally pushed for equal prize money in our events but it is not as straightforward as some seem.
All though Catford CC is a famous long standing club we are still very small in the scheme of things and our Hill Climb event runs at a circa £1000 loss, a big hit on a small club run with a small group of volunteers giving up a lot of their own free time to promote cycling, hence why the Comittee voted against any increases in the prize fund, it was also thought decreasing the main prizes to accomodate the equality required would detract on entry numbers.
The Comittee have struggled to obtain regular sponsorship that would allow us to achieve that committment to a long term change in the prize distribution without putting club finances under strain.
Le has done a fine job keeping the Hill Climb going in recent years with the neccessity for Road Closures and the increased Admin that creates and even though I am in favour of equal prizes I do not condone the level of bullying he has come under in private emails for this.
Le has restructured the Prize funds and we hope to increase these over the future years with Sponsorship.
Kind regards
Steve Airey
This is so straightforward. Equal prize money . The rest is just waffle.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
Equality and equity are not the same thing.
Or perhaps prize money should be scrapped and we should compete for the pure joy of the contest? Entry fees can cover the costs incurred in staging the event and the remainder put towards the development of the sport.
It's a hill climb, all competitors start and finsih the same places, so prize money should be equal, or pay only on general result and no other categories. This should apply to all TTs as everyone races the same course. I think it's ok to have male 1-3, female 1-3 and an event winner (possibly as a trophy only?).
I do think tennis is different and prize money should either be paid in proportion (5 vs 3 sets) or the matches equalised at either 3 or 5 sets and pay same prize money. But in CTT races, we all race the same distance/course, so should receive the same rewards for winning. Paying a bloke more for the same course than a female winner is just idiotic. (BTW - I get "chicked" regularly in TTs)
Exactly that Matt.
Also, if the winner had been female she would have got £275, a man couldn't have got this. Sexist pigs!
You clearly need to educate yourself on the one prize per person rule, meaning you cannot take prizes for various categories. So if a female vet won, she couldn't take the overall, first female and first female vet. She could choose which one to take though...
As Htc says Simon, they either need to segregate all categories or make it open.
At the end of the day there will always be someone with an advantage anyway...
If the sole purpose of awarding prizes is to find out who's outright fastest then go ahead but I disagree.
If a single competition across all gender, age and ability classes so good then why are there separate men's and women's Olympics, Worlds and events at every level in every sport? Does van Vleuten deserve her rainbow jersey any less than Pedersen? Why are top level cyclo-cross events now offering equal prize money? It's not because the women are as fast or even that their races are the same duration.
But "the women are slower and only race for 45 minutes" doesn't mean they deserve to be paid any less or their efforts not acknowledged. Does the fastest woman in the 100 metres not deserve a medal because, say, 20 men can run faster? As James Ward states in one of the replies to his tweet above, "It's about 'equal opportunities'".
And don't forget that, according to the article, " the majority of hill climbers were in favour of a redistribution". I expect most of those would be men, who stand to gain nothing from it.
HTC. Thats what some events do and thats what some people call unfair as it almost always means that the young mens class get the most as there will be more of them.
Question is what is fair?
Do you:
Split according to numbers as above.
Split 50 / 50 by sex then subdivide by class which of course should mean that each has the same classes. and each of these gets the same prize fund.
Not bother and be totally fair and treat all the same and ignore the male/female split. In my club that would often give 1st prize to a woman anyway. Of course at this point the weaker classes get upset.
Then you reach the smaller classes. Do you fund trikes and tandems the same way?
To my mind each event should make its own rules and the riders can decide before they enter. If they don't like the rules they can ride elsewhere.
Imposition of rules by outsiders is the most unfair way of all. If the event gets it wrong entrants can vote with their feet and the event will change or fail.
But if there are more of them, each competitor's chances of winning are less, so does that not equal out?
Probably should be a sliding-scale. As long as the number of male and female competitors is roughly of the same magnitiude then equal prize money. But if the numbers are massively unequal then it should be proportional to the numbers.
Clearly, at the extreme case, if there's only one woman competitor and 100 men it would be a bit unfair to give the woman winner the same prize as the man. But if it's 80 vs 100 might as welll go with equal money rather than pedantically making it 4/5.
Split prize money based on the number of entrants in each category then winnings are related to the competitiveness (size) of each category.
Prepare away - do you know what the entry fee is, how many are competing in each etc?
Distribution of prizes should be exempt from gender if you want to be truly equal. Alternatively, can I claim £200 if I'm the first ginger diabetic over the line?
So scrap the vets and junior prizes too?
Might as well put "super-fit male racing snakes in espoir/senior age group welcome. The other 117 of you are merely start sheet filler paying for 3 people to win prizes".
In the 21st century IMHO it's not the way to enhance the reputation of an event.
They should have just scrapped the prize for first female if they wanted equality!!!
Preparing for a round of sad-act bingo in the comments here.