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"Touch my car again & I'll run you over": Taxi driver blocking cycle lane tells cyclist; Tory MP argues cycling spending shouldn't be government priority; Our fan mail; Kaitlin Armstrong trial date set; UK's busiest cycle crossing? + more on the live blog

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10 November 2022, 16:25
"Touch my car again & I'll run you over": Taxi driver blocking cycle lane tells cyclist

This one intially came to our attention last week, but we've sat on it since then as the cyclist's footage of a separate incident (possibly coming to road.cc soon too) was subject to a court date and neither of us wanted to jeopardise the chance of getting a decent result, so their Twitter account went private.

Ultimately that case resulted in penalty points and a €300 fine despite the driver's solicitor's best attempts to suggest the experienced cyclist shouldn't have been on the road during rush hour.

Anyway, after that scene setting, here we are with this second incident...

Explaining it to road.cc, righttobikeit told us: "1. I was only alerting the driver he'd drifted into the bike lane. I wasn't that miffed about it

"2. I didn't stop to argue with him, I stopped because the BMW was worse and I couldn't pass which let to the confrontation

"3. I came back out of the bike lane (due to flooding/debris partially due to storm near mostly like that all the time) near the sharp bend ahead so I can maintain speed. I usually come out later but I figured the guy behind would box me in."

The shocking tap on their metal box had an enraging effect on the driver who, despite being calmly asked to move off the cycle lane, responded: "If you touch my car again I'll run you over".

Following another touch... "I'll give you a kick up the [...] you hit my car [...] I let a bus come up this way [...] you do that again I'll get out and I'll knock your head in, I'll knock your head in... I am threatening you. Get my number and go to the Garda..."

The events at the next red light speak for themself...

10 November 2022, 17:16
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That last one is 'All our club rides are Zone 6 at 5am' ...

10 November 2022, 15:57
"Worst dating app photo of all time"

Ryan reliably informs me David O'Doherty is also doing Celebrity Mastermind this weekend, specialist subject the Tour de France. Superb stuff.

"Col de l'Iseran and Col du Galibier are famous examples of a Tour de France mountain (_____)?"

"Pass... no wait, I meant pass, not pass..."

10 November 2022, 14:43
Trentin approves
10 November 2022, 14:20
Kaitlin Armstrong trial date set
Kaitlin Armstrong via US Marshals

The murder trial of Kaitlin Armstrong has been set for next June following a judge dismissing two motions filed by the accused's defence team to stop certain evidence being used. The trial had been due to start last month but was delayed whilst judge Brenda Kennedy came to a decision on the motions. Kennedy concluded: "There was no evidence of any intentional disregard for the truth".

Armstrong's legal team had suggested some evidence should not be heard due to "factual errors" and "incorrect assertions" in the original affidavit, something the prosecutors now acknowledge too, but Kennedy decided the errors were unintentional and can be heard when the trial commences in June 2023.

Armstrong will stand trial having been charged with first-degree murder in connection with the shooting of gravel cyclist Moriah Wilson in Texas in May.

The New Yorker took a deep dive into events so far... and when I say 'deep' I mean 'go make a brew and take half an hour out of your day deep'... just the 8,500 words...but as comprehensive a look at what we know as you could wish to read...

10 November 2022, 12:45
Christmas gifts for cyclists 2022 — 20 money-no-object gifts for the cyclist in your life

It’s that time of year, folks – time for us to suggest some great Christmas gifts for cyclists, and if you really want to shell out, we've got some money-no-object ideas...

gifts for cyclists

From a new pair of shades to... well, a whole new bike... here's what to buy the cyclist in your life if you happen to have won the lottery this year... (spoiler alert: it's not a 'I love cycling' mug with a punny caption)...

> Christmas gifts for cyclists 2022 — 20 money-no-object gifts for the cyclist in your life

10 November 2022, 11:22
How to wax(wing) a chain...

The replies are saying it's a waxwing so let's run with that... 

10 November 2022, 10:53
Conservative MP Kit Malthouse argues "lovely" cycling spending shouldn't be priority

EDIT: It's been a long month in politics... as rightly pointed out in the comments Malthouse is no longer Education Secretary and was replaced by Gillian Keegan.

Kit Malthouse official portrait (UK Parliament)

Thanks to road.cc reader Richard for the heads up about former Education Secretary Kit Malthouse's comments in an interview with Andrew Marr on his Tuesday evening LBC radio show, during which he suggested "lovely though they might be"... cycling and walking projects "might have to go in the face of other, more pressing priorities".

Discussing next week's Budget announcement, unsurprisingly the former education minister Malthouse was keen to point out he wants more money going into schools and suggested active travel policies may need to make way...

"I heard a minister say the government was going to spend £9.9 billion on cycling and walking initiatives over the next few years," he told Marr. "That seemed, to me, not a great trade when schools are struggling [...] Cycling and walking, I'm afraid, lovely though they might be, and I was a cyclist myself for many years, might have to go in the face of other, more pressing priorities."

Kit had me worried for a second there that we weren't going to hear the "I was a cyclist myself" line...

It wasn't just cycling though, we should point out, with Malthouse suggesting business subsidies, Ministry of Defence spending and "quite a lot of areas" where spending could be tightened or ideally passed over to education.

Thoughts?

10 November 2022, 10:05
UK's busiest cycle crossing?

road.cc Simon's encyclopedic knowledge of London informs me this one is on Embankment just west of Blackfriars Bridge, and the "key thing is that it is part of the set up where the two most popular routes in London meet — the EW Cycleway, which continues under the bridge, and NS which goes over the bridge and on towards Ludgate Circus."

UK's busiest cycle crossing?

"But vid was shot on north side of Embankment just to right of 'A1211' on the map, people switching NS-EW or vice-versa go up/down the bit marked 'Victoria Embankment'.

"Whether continuing eastbound along river or switching to NS though you have to cross the traffic lanes there (as EW switches from S side to N) compliance with traffic lights by cyclists is near as dammit 100 per cent.

"Classic example of 'build it and they will come'...(Much misquoted ... it's actually, 'If you build it, he will come')..." 

10 November 2022, 09:48
John Lewis doing a Christmas ad about cycling?

We saw the helmet, our heart skipped a beat, eyes widened... oh, never mind, it's about skateboarding...

10 November 2022, 08:58
"Who pays road tax? [Five-year-old] Cyclist or motorist?": More of our fan mail

In the good ol' days I'm sure these would land at road.cc Towers scribbled across the back of an empty pack of smokes... 

Since we reported on the 'debate' surrounding the viral video of a driver continuing through a narrowing as a five-year-old cyclist rode towards him we've heard views from almost every possible angle: those, like journalist Mike Parry, who think the motorist should have stopped out of basic human compassion and it's irrelevant whether the child should have been on the road. Those, like Tory politicians Baroness Foster and Susan Hall, who (predictably) think the kid had no place on the road. And we've also heard just about every possible viewpoint in between.

> Should not be on the public highway riding a bike": Conservative politician weighs in on viral clip of driver refusing to stop for child

And so we arrive at our email inbox, refreshed and keen for another day of cycling news...

Whilst all the arguments point to the motorist being in the wrong. WHO PAYS ROAD TAX .....CYCLIST OR MOTORIST.
Surely  if cyclists are given rights of way then they should contribute by paying road tax...

It's those terrible kids again... not paying their taxes...

Maybe we'll get something constructive out of this next one...(*wishful thinking klaxon*)

Parent totally wrong to allow child on road.A busy road is not a nursery.Clearly the father is an attention seeker filming his son so he can be on TV.What an irresponsible WOKE.
Yes the driver should have stopped.And got out of his vehicle and taken child and bike off rd and called the police.

I'm starting to think someone's got more than one email address... anyway, that was just a bit of 'fun' for your Thursday morning, we won't feed the troll(s) again... strange the sheer anger at a five-year-old child riding a bicycle...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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IanMK replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 2 years ago
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I hadn't thought of that. Apart from the pocket money spend his existence generates thousands of pounds of economic activity.

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espressodan | 2 years ago
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Kit Malthouse echoes the increasingly bizarre and detached cherry picking that is Tory policy. We have an enduring climate emergency. We have a serious cost of living crisis. Want to cut emissions, get on your bike instead of your car. Want to put money back in your pocket? Get on your bike instead of in your car. Bikes are a centuries old invention and the solution to a 70 year hiccup caused entirely by the marketing and lobbying departments of the motoring and petrochemical industry. It needs to stop and the relative investment and time needed to turn it around is relatively tiny compared to just maintaining the status quo.

His statement isn't pragmatic policy, it isn't realistic. It's just another small man who can't see beyond his steering wheel and lacks the leadership skills to encourage his constituents to.

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nosferatu1001 replied to espressodan | 2 years ago
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it also ignored the incredible proven ROI investing in active travel has for any country.  38 to 1 just in health benefits. Never mind reduced road spending as wankpanzers damage the road so much. 

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mattw replied to espressodan | 2 years ago
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Hmmm.

Ian't current Tory policy to invest £9.9bn in Active Travel? Though the Chancellor may have a beady eye on part of it.

And isn't Kit the Twit a rather inconsistent vampire at the Halloween Party making moaning noises?

I'd like to know whether the interviewer asked him if he was wanting to cancel all spending on recharging points, since BEVs don't pay road tax either.

My political diagnosis is that he is an MP representing Nimbyland under close threat from the Lib Dems (26k majority only - a 34% swing like the last byelection and he is cheese on toast). He needs a narrative to defeat the Lib Dem promises to build millions of houses everywhere but North Hampshire. And this a bit of it.

 

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Bobonabike | 2 years ago
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I know it's hard to keep up these days, but Malthouse isn't a minister anymore

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Dan Alexander replied to Bobonabike | 2 years ago
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🤦My bad. Updated now...

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eburtthebike replied to Bobonabike | 2 years ago
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Bobonabike wrote:

I know it's hard to keep up these days, but Malthouse isn't a minister anymore

He's trying to keep his profile up so that when the next minister resigns next week, he'll be an obvious substitute.

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hawkinspeter replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

Bobonabike wrote:

I know it's hard to keep up these days, but Malthouse isn't a minister anymore

He's trying to keep his profile up so that when the next minister resigns next week, he'll be an obvious substitute.

I hope someone produces a minister advent calendar. Each day you get to open a new revolving door, but instead of a bit of chocolate or gift, it's a small piece of poop.

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IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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Car in at local garage so I walk up to our meet point along a country lane.

https://goo.gl/maps/GDZXw88a8sCrHd3VA

The verges are slippery mud, and lots of people walk along this road, which is straight so I am walking towards traffic. It would be an Audi Q7 that appears ahead, at the point I can hear cars coming up behind. The road is narrow so cars normally can pass but have to slow. Anyway, I do a quick look at the verge and decide I am not going to step out of the way because there is a reasonable chance of falling over and the car would still be skimming past me so carry on walking. The Audi driver slows but my spidey senses tell me this is not a driver who is going to stop. I stop walking but hold my ground as he gets uncomfortably close without stopping. Two cars pass from behind and the Audi darts forward, leaving barely a foot between me and his door mirror*. I do my customary shout of "Oi!" and predictably, the car that couldn't hold back for 2 seconds to make a safe pass slams on the brakes, reversing lights come on. I scoot across the road as I am not sure that he isn't going to drive at me. 

So anyway, down goes the window. "What the fuck do you think you are doing you fucking idiot." "T,t,t, two metres" "What the fuck are you on about?" "You're supposed to leave two metres" "Fuck off" "Read the fucking highway code."  At this point, his fist goes up and he attempts to hit me - not very well thought out given he was seated in a car but I step back. At this point a variety of wheeled traffic arrived and he drove off to the sound of "BJP 9" ringing in his ears. Why is it 75 year old Gammons feel so entitled?

Reported to the police as threatening behaviour. No doubt it will not go far without witnesses, but hopefully the police will speak to him and point out that a pedestrian has a right of way on the highway, is not required to slip around on mud to ease the passage of motorist sat in comfort, and raising fists at strangers is a very foolish thing to do. Hopefully, it will go on his file.

Just another lesson in my "Just remember, it is not cyclists that are the problem" series.

*Other types of mirror are available.

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brooksby replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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predictably, the car that couldn't hold back for 2 seconds to make a safe pass slams on the brakes, reversing lights come on.

'Twas ever so... 

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David9694 replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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I haven't thrown a pinch in forty years And It shouldn't ever come down to to who will win at fisticuffs,  but I found myself willing you to take on Audi Grandad.

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Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Clearly Kim "I was a cyclist" Malthouse doesn't read the government's own reports, which have estimated that the returns on cycling infrastructure investment range between £2 for every £ spent and a staggering £35 per £ spent. In the Netherlands it has been estimated that the €500M p.a. they spend on cycling infra returns €19bn in healthcare savings alone. This is something the cycling lobby doesn't push enough, in my opinion, the fact that investment in cycling isn't just "something nice", it actually provides a positive return.

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TheBillder replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Couldn't they just put Dido Harding in charge of it, and then it would be world-leading investment instead of outrageously costly spending on the tofu eating wokerati?

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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... as opposed to motor infra and driving - which are apparently a net cost to the economy (if you track all the costs - see "externalities of motoring", something we're really not keen on estimating).

There's nothing wrong with deciding - like e.g. schools - that something is worth paying for of course.  However our litany of "we need motoring to pay the bills" is a stumbling block to facing up to reality - the first step to change.  Unless the bills we're talking about are those from all the people who make money from the motor industry - and their political beneficiaries...

Oddly enough you'd think that e.g. kids being able to get themselves to school (and being healthier / having better well-being as a result of it) might be worth some cash?  That doesn't appear on Kit's balance sheet most likely though...

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brooksby replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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other, more pressing priorities

such as making sure that our Govt's friends and relations and business contacts are all very well remunerated...?

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eburtthebike replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

In the Netherlands it has been estimated that the €500M p.a. they spend on cycling infra returns €19bn in healthcare savings alone. This is something the cycling lobby doesn't push enough, in my opinion, the fact that investment in cycling isn't just "something nice", it actually provides a positive return.

Oh, we do, it's just that the media point blank refuse to report it.  Like when NICE said that the best way of tackling the obesity crisis would be if the government hit its cycling targets.  Or the BBC R4 prog "Inside Health" which has been on for many years and, despite some doctors calling cycling the magic bullet for health, has mentioned cycling a couple of times, but only in passing.  The BBC is obsessed with diet, and I've literally lost count of the number of items I've seen/heard about how improving your diet will make you healthy, but I've never seen/heard anything about how good cycling is for your health.

When I heard the Andrew Mar interview with Malthouse, I immediately emailed him, pointing out the incredible health benefits of a switch from driving to cycling, and the staggering ROI, but nothing was said.  I also asked him why the media won't cover the benefits, but no answer to that either.

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peted76 | 2 years ago
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That John Lewis advert hit me right in the feels frown

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hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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End-stage capitalism - your child isn't paying to use that road and so has no place being there.

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Patrick9-32 | 2 years ago
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All these drivers arguing that the child shouldn't be there as if that makes a difference...

Do we deliberately endanger anyone breaking the rules of the road? If someone is speeding should I crash into them with my car? If a car is parked on the pavement do I find the driver "just popping into" the shop and punch them?

It doesn't matter at all whether or not the child should be there. The driver would be in the wrong even if every frothing gammon on twitter was right and it was an imprisonable offence to take a child cycling on the road.

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EK Spinner replied to Patrick9-32 | 2 years ago
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very much this

the classic is the punishment pass, the people who seem to believe they have a responisbility to enforce the (often made up) rules of the road, and to punish (judge, jury, jailer and even executioner) for any (as they see it) misdemanour. 

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IanMSpencer replied to EK Spinner | 2 years ago
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I reckon it wasn't punishment, just simple impatience - check out how close the driver was to hitting the car on the other side - quite a risk. Ask the driver and it will be a "What's your problem, I missed them by plenty."

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andystow replied to Patrick9-32 | 2 years ago
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Patrick9-32 wrote:

 If a car is parked on the pavement do I find the driver "just popping into" the shop and punch them?

Other satisfying solutions are available. It may require some gym time that wouldn't help your cycling any, though.

If I ever have a science experiment go wrong in just the right way and get super strength, I'll be doing this full time. Sponsor me to spend a week in your city.

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chrisonabike replied to andystow | 2 years ago
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If you check out the "Cars in houses" thread you'll see that either this guy is going round the country in hi-vis practicing his craft unseen like a ninja, or this is unnecessary as vehicles are spontaneously upending themselves with no input by drivers, all the time.

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nniff | 2 years ago
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You know what they say about getting between a lioness and its cub?  This is the same deal - standing between a motorist and their self-entitlement.  

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srchar | 2 years ago
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If there's one thing I've learned from the posts on Next Door in my area which has several LTNs, it's that They Walk Among Us.

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the little onion replied to srchar | 2 years ago
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They Drive Among Us (on their phones, for 200 yards, then park on the pavement)

If you ever want to see entitled driving, stand outside a primary school gates at the start and end of the school day.

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Brauchsel replied to the little onion | 2 years ago
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the little onion wrote:

If you ever want to see entitled driving, stand outside a primary school gates at the start and end of the school day.

My daughter's primary school (in London, so everyone lives within half a mile) puts big yellow barriers across the roads at drop-off/pick-up times, with signs and flashing lights advising that the road is closed. Parents in cars mount the pavement to get round them, presumably to save their kids from a walk of no more than 50m to the gates. 
 

 

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ChrisB200SX replied to Brauchsel | 2 years ago
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Brauchsel wrote:

the little onion wrote:

If you ever want to see entitled driving, stand outside a primary school gates at the start and end of the school day.

My daughter's primary school (in London, so everyone lives within half a mile) puts big yellow barriers across the roads at drop-off/pick-up times, with signs and flashing lights advising that the road is closed. Parents in cars mount the pavement to get round them, presumably to save their kids from a walk of no more than 50m to the gates. 
 

 

It's notable just how much traffic evaporates at half-term

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nosferatu1001 replied to Brauchsel | 2 years ago
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Brauchsel wrote:

the little onion wrote:

If you ever want to see entitled driving, stand outside a primary school gates at the start and end of the school day.

My daughter's primary school (in London, so everyone lives within half a mile) puts big yellow barriers across the roads at drop-off/pick-up times, with signs and flashing lights advising that the road is closed. Parents in cars mount the pavement to get round them, presumably to save their kids from a walk of no more than 50m to the gates. 
 

 

sounds like a good chance to stand filming them breaking the law, and filing with the police.  

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TheBillder replied to the little onion | 2 years ago
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the little onion wrote:

They Drive Among Us (on their phones, for 200 yards, then park on the pavement)

Whilst walking back from my local shop on Monday, I saw a driver playing with a phone in a Range Rover, which was third in line at a traffic light. I called "Oi!" (oratory skills turned up to 11) and made a gesture to get her to put the phone down. She shook her head and mouthed "I'm on the phone" (I lip read so I'm confident that's what it was).

Too busy on the phone to put the phone down. At that point I disappeared in a logic vortex.

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