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It made the Late Show Monologue on Monday or Tuesday. 

Nigel Garrage wrote:

Politi-lies, the same Democrat/Pro-CCP organisation that stated the theory that Covid-19 started in a lab was "Inaccurate and ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire!"

Not the the theory published independently by a scientist, non-peer-reviewed and rubbished by pretty much every other academic body including the WHO?

And unlike the famous Fox Legally Non-News shows, Politifacts acknowledge when new information might be available that could change a discourse. Although of course the same Political Alignment that turns "Dr Seuss Organisation have decided to stop publishing a couple of minor books with majorly racist depictions" into claims "The Left are cancelling Cat in the Hat!" wouldn't be able to spot the difference of claims it was "definitely man-made and deliberately released" to "investigating if it had accidently escaped from a bio lab that studies these natural diseases". Nope, just use it as another excuse to debunk a source for fake news and carry on watching the Anti-Woke channels and papers who never lie.

'Not Candace Owens, the notable far-right speaker and anti-semite (look it up: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/01/candace-owens/no-soros...(link is external)), and Lil Pump aka Gazzy Garcia, the rapper who is of - wait for it - Peurto Rican, i.e. Latin American heritage?'

So, Owens is an anti-Semite eh? I'd be very careful with defamatory claims like that, without having very good evidence to back it up.

It doesn't really meet any criteria for being defamatory, so your concern for vthejk is kind but misplaced.

It's a view that any reasonable person could hold, due to her comments in support of Hitler. It doesn't cause her serious harm or damage her reputation, partly because her supporters don't mind her holding these sort of views but also because it's a comment below the line in a cycling thread where no-one she knows will read it.

Although if you meant it might provoke right-wing loons into hounding him, you might have point.

By anybody who watches the video.

stood by whom?

At first I wondered if the driver had a medical episode of some kind. But then you see the person stepping out of the vehicle a bit after the impact. The driver was either drunk or distracted by a phone. That's a straight stretch of road and it'll have a 20mph speed limit now. If you can't drive along a striaght bit of road at 20mph then you shouldn't be driving at all.

OldRidgeback wrote:

At first I wondered if the driver had a medical episode of some kind. But then you see the person stepping out of the vehicle a bit after the impact. The driver was either drunk or distracted by a phone. 

I agree that those are the most likely, but there is the possibility of, for example, an absence seizure (previously known as petit mal epilepsy) in which an individual can zone out for a few seconds and then be back as if nothing happened. People can have this sort of condition for years without ever noticing it, or simply regarding it as having poor concentration abilities, until one occurs in a critical situation such as driving a car. I daresay the reason will come out in the wash, just thank goodness nobody seems to have been hurt.

Velophaart_95 wrote:

It's 'odds on' the driver was on a mobile device of some kind......and failed to see a zebra crossing/pedestrian,cyclist.....

I thought the same, but there are other, less plausible perhaps, explanations; attacked by a wasp, sneezing fit, attacked by passenger......

eburtthebike wrote:

Velophaart_95 wrote:

It's 'odds on' the driver was on a mobile device of some kind......and failed to see a zebra crossing/pedestrian,cyclist.....

I thought the same, but there are other, less plausible perhaps, explanations; attacked by a wasp, sneezing fit, attacked by passenger......

Of course!  The passenger had a medical episode.  Then they died and woke up as a zombie.  And the driver was just so very distracted by all that....

(Sorry, been watching 'Black Summer' on Netflix).

Rick_Rude wrote:

Having been away from the cycling game for quite a few months due to non-cycling related injury I have noticed driving seems worse than ever. Done a full week of commute cycling and the worst offenders are these online order van twats. Just trying to get my legs back but I feel like I'll be lucky to have legs at this rate. May be time to invest in a camera.

I don't leave home without one these days. It's an imposition I resent, but it's necessary due to the aggression from some drivers

Rick_Rude wrote:

... the worst offenders are these online order van twats.

Rick_Rude wrote:

May be time to invest in a camera.

Cameras are useful, but on the delivery driver front I'm not sure that trying to tackle the issue from the driver end will make much headway. In larger companies (thinking amazon in particular) the performance metrics rule everything. If a driver slows down to pass cyclists too much or goes doesn't do the full 60mph down that single track country lane in the wet, or just in general doesn't drive like a reckless twat, they are likely to lose their jobs.
The whole setup seems to go out of its way to encourage and select for bad driving. Making bad drivers more aware or taking them off the road it important but without any changes to the underlying issues they will just be replaced by equally bad drivers.

tdw wrote:

 Cameras are useful, but on the delivery driver front I'm not sure that trying to tackle the issue from the driver end will make much headway. In larger companies (thinking amazon in particular) the performance metrics rule everything. If a driver slows down to pass cyclists too much or goes doesn't do the full 60mph down that single track country lane in the wet, or just in general doesn't drive like a reckless twat, they are likely to lose their jobs. .....

Do we actually know that? - it may be the case (I don't work for Amazon) however I've heard similar stories about my company, that aren't actually the case in the slightest. To be clear I have no interest in defending Bezos (or my own CEO for that matter), but how a driver drives is the driver's responsibility.

Clearly where drivers are penalised for late delivery that would in my view make the company culpable, and they should be chased down. But that is separate campaign to ensuring that drivers fulfil their own culpability on the road for being unduly distracted by outside factors.

Captain Badger wrote:

Do we actually know that? - it may be the case (I don't work for Amazon)

I must admit I don’t work for amazon either and can't confirm that this is going on in the UK but the in the US it has recently come out that amazon flex workers (the independent gig based workers) are being rated and "fired" by an algorithm with little to no human oversite, and to top it off the response style of the appeals process rases a couple of red flags that it might also be a bot.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-bot-amazon-t...

tdw wrote:

Captain Badger wrote:

Do we actually know that? - it may be the case (I don't work for Amazon)

I must admit I don’t work for amazon either and can't confirm that this is going on in the UK but the in the US it has recently come out that amazon flex workers (the independent gig based workers) are being rated and "fired" by an algorithm with little to no human oversite, and to top it off the response style of the appeals process rases a couple of red flags that it might also be a bot.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-bot-amazon-t...

Absolutely, their workers rights record is appalling, and deserves condemnation in itself.

Edit: just read that article. Sickening.

Nigel Garrage wrote:

They might not have got the algorith quite right yet, but I welcome the idea of being managed by a robot. No more nepotism and personal favours, but raw meritocratic talent shining through.

Not getting it quite right means still in testing whilst running alongside accountable (human) systems. It doesn't look like this was the case reading the article - basically sacking people wholesale for no good reason. Don't forget what' "right" for Bezos isn't necessarily ethically right, or even pragmatically right for the individuals or wider society

In addition they also have form on recruitment algorithms. " What does merit look like?" basically translated to white, male and middle class, which was what the algorithms were frighteningly able to pick up in spite of anonymising CVs. Note that the algos themselves weren't racist classist or sexist, neither was Amazon's intent (probably) but the results most certainly were. 

No, fallible humans that can be held accountable, retrained or redeployed for me every time

Plenty of articles out there about racism unintentionally programmed into Algorithims and AI bots. (plus other biases as well.)

Rick_Rude wrote:

Having been away from the cycling game for quite a few months due to non-cycling related injury I have noticed driving seems worse than ever. Done a full week of commute cycling and the worst offenders are these online order van twats. Just trying to get my legs back but I feel like I'll be lucky to have legs at this rate. May be time to invest in a camera.

If you haven't seen "Sorry, We Missed You" it is well worth a view.  Like others, I won't ride on the road without two cameras.

The cameras will look very cheap when you are contesting the driver's version when you claim damages.

Car accidents nearly all suffer this odd way of reporting. 'The car' lost control or whatever. When you see a report involving a lone motorcyclist or cyclists it's always the rider the lost control never the bike. Maybe autonomously driven cars are everywhere I didn't notice. KITT lives. 

Car crashes you mean. The word 'accident' suggests that it was an unavoidable incident caused by a freak situation. It was a car crash, most likely caused by poor driving. As I commented elsewhere, it's a straight stretch of road with a 20mph speed limit. If someone can't drive a vehicle in a straight line at 20mph, they shouldn't be driving at all.

Mungecrundle wrote:

Surely it was the car that lost control, mounted the pavement and was then in collision with the crossing beacon? If it was not for the prompt action of the driver both the pedestrian and the cyclist could have been seriously injured.

Mungecrundle wrote:

Surely it was the car that lost control, mounted the pavement and was then in collision with the crossing beacon? If it was not for the prompt action of the driver both the pedestrian and the cyclist could have been seriously injured.

I think you've identified the true hero of the hour Munge, they don't all wear capes.... Loafers, slacks and a crisply ironed shirt is this lifesaver's uniform!

samuri wrote:

The very worst part of this is the guy gets out of the car and shows not the slightest interest in the two people he's almost killed. Hands on hips, he looks exasperatedly at his car, "well this is another fine mess you've gotten me into". It's digusting. The de-humanisation process of driving makes good people bad and bad people worse..

proabaly wasn't even aware of them cos his BookFace post was more interesting/important. Either that or fell asleep. What a w&nker

Edit. Didn't even touch the brake until after hitting the eBelisha....