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Strava KOMS are being hijacked by motorbikers going as fast as 112mph

Uh oh! *Insert speeding person on extremely fast motorcycle* just stole your KOM!

It's an email sure to ruin your day: Uh oh! So-and-so just stole your Strava KOM! Cue frantic analysis of their ride, segment effort and previous achievements to double (and triple) check if you've got grounds for a flag... or, more often than not, to find out that you just need to be a bit fitter and faster...

There is a serious point in this, however, as road.cc contributor Matt Page has spotted a trend of losing his KOMs to 'riders' hitting law-breaking speeds on motorcycles on the roads of Wales. 

While it is undoubtedly frustrating to lose a hard-earned KOM — not least to someone not actually riding a bicycle — the ride-tracking app's evidence of road users exceeding 100mph (Matt says he has seen speeds as high as 112mph) is even more concerning from a road safety standpoint.

"I am getting emails constantly now [every time a KOM gets taken]. Motorcyclists seem to be regularly using Strava for road and off-road, with blatant speeding obvious to see," Matt told us.

"Highest I have noticed so far, 180kph (112mph) but I don't have a screenshot of that. But I might be able to dig around.

"It was e-bikes, then trail motorbikes and now road motorbikes seem to be using it, but I have no idea why. I put a tweet out and mentioned the local police, but no reply yet.

"After being flagged, lots are now changing to 'exercise' I guess to avoid them being pulled down. Many accounts are private, but this guy is not."

Matt also suggested police forces could use Strava as a tool for catching speed limit-flouting motorists uploading evidence of their law-breaking.

Strava's website says that "motorcycle activities are not allowed on Strava and cannot use the 'Ride' or 'E-Bike' activity types."

Should you have a KOM taken by a person using a vehicle, you can flag their activity and will almost certainly have your pride and glory returned.

Strava's website outlines its policy on motorcycle activities:

The Ride activity type is for conventional human-powered bicycles (including recumbents) riding outdoors. Do not use this activity type if your activity includes data recorded while driving a car, motorcycle, pacing a vehicle, using an electric bike, or another electric-assisted vehicle, using a non-traditional bicycle with full fairings or aerodynamic modifications including velomobiles, or using a GPS simulator programme for virtual riding. 

Please note that motorcycle activities are not allowed on Strava and cannot use the Ride or E-Bike activity types.

A spokesperson for Strava also told road.cc: "Being part of the Strava community is a commitment to respect: we respect each other, ourselves and the rules. When we all share mutual respect, we all win. Read our community standards here

"That means that we rely on our global community to help us monitor the integrity of our segments and leaderboards. We ask our athletes to flag anything that doesn’t match our community standards – including mechanical cheating – which will be addressed.

"Strava values sportsmanship and fair play, and we want members of our community to earn spots on the leaderboards through clear and safe competition."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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BigglesMeister replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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That's because new segments have been created after you put down the fastest time, so you are the all time KOM.  If KOMs were only recorded for rides after the segment creation it wouldn't happen.

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Organon replied to msackman | 2 years ago
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'msackman has no KOMs' - Strava

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Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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One would have thought it would be quite simple for Strava to tweak its algorithm so that at least utterly impossible rides are automatically removed; routes in London that are on the flightpath routinely have KOMs of 300kph+ from (presumably) people forgetting to turn off the app on their way home from holiday.

Unfortunately with the rise in ebikes (and I have one in the stable so I'm not a hater) many KOMs are becoming pointless; loads of my local ones seem to be held by people who ride 25kms a week if that...I just use it for storing overall data and comparing my current times with old ones now.

This should be a cause for concern for Strava commercially: I switched from a paid subscription back to free when my membership came up for renewal recently, because I was paying to see the leaderboards and particularly age/weight segments; with many of them having ridiculous figures filling the top places there didn't seem much point.

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EddyBerckx | 2 years ago
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This has been happening for many, many years. The last couple from the first lockdown onwards has seen a huge number of emails due to people driving to/from their place of riding but keeping Strava on. And no matter how many times you flag...the same offenders keep popping up

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andystow replied to EddyBerckx | 2 years ago
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EddyBerckx wrote:

This has been happening for many, many years. The last couple from the first lockdown onwards has seen a huge number of emails due to people driving to/from their place of riding but keeping Strava on. And no matter how many times you flag...the same offenders keep popping up

Sounds like a simple fix is remove users who repeatedly get rides flagged by multiple people from the leaderboards, after a review to confirm that it's obviously not on a bike. Then you just need some exceptions for e.g. Phil Gaimon whose rides get flagged immediately.

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Awavey | 2 years ago
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I once inadvertently "stole" a QoM segment,  when I was still using my phone to record Strava, prob 10 years ago now so maybe GPS location is better as tech has improved. But it was terrible at keeping a steady track, it used to add at least 20% extra distance travelled just by the wobble side to side trying to locate meand would often snap me onto nearby segments I wasnt riding at all..

And I can only assume it must have jumped cell tower, as the tracking suddenly shot off even more than normal about half a mile away from the road I was on, that happened to coincide with a side road that it snapped the route to, and then almost instantly returned again and it claimed my top speed was something stupidly well over 100mph and it gave me this tiny segment and I was like well I cant really claim that I did that can I, so I learned how to edit GPX files to smooth out of range data like that.

not that I think thats happening here, and the mind boggles as to why motorcyclists would even bother, Im just highlighting Strava aint as accurate always as you might think.

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ooblyboo | 2 years ago
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This is outrageous! Motorcyclists should respect Strava segments for what they are - a historic record of the local wind conditions on any given day 😉

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Steve K | 2 years ago
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I've never had a KOM (a couple of top tens, but that's it) so not a major issue for me 

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Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Please note that motorcycle activities are not allowed on Strava and cannot use the Ride or E-Bike activity types.

Well, clearly, de facto they are allowed and motorcyclists etc can use them. Strava need to do something if they wish to change that, not just say it shall be so.

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Rich_cb replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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It's hardly rocket science to auto-flag these rides.

If you exceed the previous highest speed by 100 km/h you'd think even the most basic algorithm could spot an anomaly.

While they're at it automatically labelling commutes and automatically excluding them from the main feed (if you want to do so) would be really easy to do.

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wtjs replied to Rich_cb | 2 years ago
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It's hardly rocket science to auto-flag these rides

Well, Strava has not been set a good example by duff government agencies such as DVLA. They can't even identify people who have run their vehicles untaxed for years, but are still taking and passing MOTs, and who can be easily identified on their own website- unless that's a special dispensation for drivers in the Traffic Law Breakers Haven of Lancashire. They rarely bother to declare false SORNs up here because it's not worth the effort- you just don't bother to pay the VED and the automatic letters cease after a while. The only consolation for the law-abiding mugs is that these offenders have failed to realise that they don't need to bother with the MOTs either because the police aren't interested anyway

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belugabob | 2 years ago
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You'd think that Strava could detect "unfeasible" rides, and exclude them from any "fastest" tables, wouldn't you...?

Mind you, they keep giving me PBs for riding uphill on a path which is at least 20 feet to the right of the road that I'm riding downhill, on the left hand side of...

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Festus replied to belugabob | 2 years ago
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This has been going on for years , I use to check certain segments for age matching times and the so called times would surpass a TdeF rider

 

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