Bontrager Aeolus Pro Saddle

Amazing how we have to tiptoe around words now.

Imagine all the wasted man-hours are about to be wasted because of our effort to address people correctly. Or maybe all the wasted ALivingAnimalDefinedByTheAcademicCommunityAsHomoSapiens-hours if want to be more inclusive

But there are even more savings to be gained!  Simply drop the Mr, Mrs or Ms (see what we did there?) and hey presto,  3 - 4 characters saved every email / letter AND a more level playing field!

Probably nowhere near as much time as that wasted by people commenting on forums about how terrible the world has become just because they can't use the language they want because, in general as a society, we are becoming more enlightened and see it as important to not deliberately offend people.

Its amazing how addressing someone in a respectful manner under the terms they wish to be addressed which used to be called good manners has been weaponsided and polticised by a bunch of reactionaries who are frightened of change and tolerance.....

In fact they are so frightened of having to show basic respect courtesy and tolerant to other people they had to invent a code word called "woke" that they could use pejoratively.  But hey the first step to treating other people like shit is putting them in an out group.   As cylists you'd think we'd recognise that.....

I'm rather fond of a quote I saw on Twitter a few years ago when having pronouns in one's bio became a thing: "Pronouns: I couldn't care less what you call me but some people will so try not to be a dick about it if possible."

Presumably a considered choice of insult used there too?

Cultures change, language changes ... who doesn't have usages which they consider foolish, vulgar or plain naughty; meantime "if you can't say anything nice say nothing - and take to social media".

Good manners is fine, and to be encouraged. At the risk of sounding "some of my best friends..." about it, I have trans colleagues who I am perfectly content to refer to by their preferred pronouns: it's just a word, and there's no need to be a prick about it. 

But, there are brute facts that language doesn't erase, and facts matter. How my colleague presents herself or what she wants to be called has nothing to do with how we do our job, still less on her value as a human. But, she simply is not a woman and where that's relevant she shouldn't be treated as one. I don't know which is less likely, but she shouldn't be allowed to compete in a women's sporting event and she shouldn't be sent to a women's prison. 

The "person with female genitalia" nonsense, as well as being eye-rollingly clunky, muddies those waters when they are perfectly clear to all except a tiny proportion of the itself-tiny intersex population. It's concerning and uncomfortable that the religious, reactionaries and worse are stoking this, and I loathe the threats they pose to (among others) non-heterosexuals and people who don't behave in sex-specific ways, but on the facts alone they're not wrong. 

Brauchsel wrote:

It's concerning and uncomfortable that the religious, reactionaries and worse are stoking this, and I loathe the threats they pose to (among others) non-heterosexuals and people who don't behave in sex-specific ways, but on the facts alone they're not wrong. 

One of the problems is that the 'facts' are largely down to the definitions used and the definitions of 'male' and 'female' aren't rigorous and end up being based on guesswork for some intersex conditions. The problem is trying to shoe-horn all humans into two specific types when there's a lot more complexity than that. The edge cases may be few and far between, but they do demonstrate that a lot of the so-called facts are mainly opinions.

JMark wrote:

I have this saddle and like it, no problems fitting my fairly small Castelli saddle pack. Don't make the same mistake I did and try to fit it to a clamp meant for round rails, it has flatted oval rails so needs a matching clamp.

Given the comments above, I wondered if "my fairly small saddle pack" was a euphemism.