DAUPHINE

drheaton wrote:

They'll change...

Thanks!

ray silvester wrote:

A lot of 30+ credit GC types are riding with their first lieutenants...

I wonder what value Luis Leon Sanchez will come in at?

enrique wrote:

I wonder what value Luis Leon Sanchez will come in at?

Good point - he'll probably still be 20+ though, its based on the last 12 months so will still include the 2012 TdF, San Sebastian and Dauphine...

enrique wrote:

drheaton wrote:

They'll change...

Thanks!

ray silvester wrote:

A lot of 30+ credit GC types are riding with their first lieutenants...

I wonder what value Luis Leon Sanchez will come in at?

Positive?

drheaton wrote:

... once the... stage profiles are set up...we... update... rider values...

Ok, so no more changes to rider values, right? Only changes to the start list, right?...

enrique wrote:

drheaton wrote:

... once the... stage profiles are set up...we... update... rider values...

Ok, so no more changes to rider values, right? Only changes to the start list, right?...

Yeah, once the race is open to players rider values won't change except in very exceptional circumstances because some players will have already picked teams.

ray silvester wrote:

A lot of 30+ credit GC types are riding...

stumps wrote:

Spoilt for choice with the list of provisional starters so far... Had a quick guestimate and my team is around 250 points!... Cant wait

Hard not to see why!

Here's my preliminary list of the Top 20 GC riders for the Dauphine, based on the start lists available right now, in order of my projected final standing with their values according to the current 'Rankings' page:

40.0 Christopher Froome
40.0 Alberto Contador
26.5 Richie Porte
26.8 Nairo Quintana
40.0 Joaquin Rodriguez
16.7 Leopold Konig
28.8 Michal Kwiatkowski
40.0 Alejandro Valverde
28.4 Andrew Talansky
22.3 Michael Rogers
13.8 Kenny Elissonde
27.1 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
25.0 Damiano Caruso
21.6 Samuel Sanchez
30.3 Daniel Moreno
13.8 Daniel Navarro
3.0 Natnael Barhane
15.8 Jerome Coppel
19.2 Jakob Fuglsang
10.8 Damiano Cunego

Of course, the guys below may sneak in and probably will (!) be in the Top 20, too! But they're my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

enrique wrote:

ray silvester wrote:

A lot of 30+ credit GC types are riding...

stumps wrote:

Spoilt for choice with the list of provisional starters so far... Had a quick guestimate and my team is around 250 points!... Cant wait

Hard not to see why!

Here's my preliminary list of the Top 20 GC riders for the Dauphine, based on the start lists available right now, in order of my projected final standing with their values according to the current 'Rankings' page:

40.0 Christopher Froome
40.0 Alberto Contador
26.5 Richie Porte
26.8 Nairo Quintana
40.0 Joaquin Rodriguez
16.7 Leopold Konig
28.8 Michal Kwiatkowski
40.0 Alejandro Valverde
28.4 Andrew Talansky
22.3 Michael Rogers
13.8 Kenny Elissonde
27.1 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
25.0 Damiano Caruso
21.6 Samuel Sanchez
30.3 Daniel Moreno
13.8 Daniel Navarro
3.0 Natnael Barhane
15.8 Jerome Coppel
19.2 Jakob Fuglsang
10.8 Damiano Cunego

Of course, the guys below may sneak in and probably will (!) be in the Top 20, too! But they're my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

And judging on your finishing position in the Giro.......I'll ignore the breakaway advice you have given

chiv30 wrote:

... And judging on your finishing position in the Giro.......I'll ignore the breakaway advice you have given

Come to Papa, little chiv! I dare you not to put any (!), not one (!) of the riders at the end of my list (below) on your team for the Dauphine under any (!) circumstances for the entire race for any (!) reason! Any (!) whatsoever!

enrique wrote:

... my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

Take the dare, you little wuss!

enrique wrote:

chiv30 wrote:

... And judging on your finishing position in the Giro.......I'll ignore the breakaway advice you have given

Come to Papa, little chiv! I dare you not to put any (!), not one (!) of the riders at the end of my list (below) on your team for the Dauphine under any (!) circumstances for the entire race for any (!) reason! Any (!) whatsoever!

enrique wrote:

... my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

Take the dare, you little wuss!

your list of breakaway riders, does your dare count if you are putting a rider in for reasons other than a breakaway? As I may put Chavanel and/or Gerrans in for certain stages, but due to the fact they can sprint from a select group, but not for a breakaway

chiv30 wrote:

... none would be picked as breakaway riders simply based on their values and popularity...

Crap! I was hoping you'd be stupid enough to take the dare and not put any of them on your team at any time...

We'll see if you change your mind if De Gendt fails to stay in the Top 20 and it's getting late in the Tour, or if you realize Voeckler and Sanchez have laid low and the Tour is coming to an end, or if you get the feeling Chavanel isn't satisfied with a close call in a sprint from a select group (as TER points out!)...

chiv30 wrote:

Only time any of those riders will be going i'n my team will be for specifics , ie ITT or GC contention...

Well, I can see Luis Leon Sanchez and Chavanel on your team for the ITT and maybe Rolland for the overall, maybe Voeckler, too... But I'll damned if most of the points you get from Voeckler, De Gendt, Sanchez, and Fedrigo aren't from a breakaway... And if Gerrans does poorly in Stage 1, I can see him in a breakaway later...

I'll keep tabs on them all and then put the numbers in your face, wussy boy

TERatcliffe26 wrote:

... does your dare count if you are putting a rider in for reasons other than a breakaway?... I may put Chavanel and/or Gerrans.. they can sprint from a select group...

Well, my dare was a cruel dare. It was meant for you not to have any of those guys on at any moment, which may be unreasonable, granted, but chiv didn't take the bait

To your point, I'll probably have Gerrans in for Stage 1 and Chavanel in for a couple of the flatter stages!

Meanwhile, I will entertain myself looking for mispelled rider names and monitoring these guys, and the other breakaway riders, after the Dauphine starts to see who gets the most points from a breakaway... Just for fun!

enrique wrote:

chiv30 wrote:

... And judging on your finishing position in the Giro.......I'll ignore the breakaway advice you have given

Come to Papa, little chiv! I dare you not to put any (!), not one (!) of the riders at the end of my list (below) on your team for the Dauphine under any (!) circumstances for the entire race for any (!) reason! Any (!) whatsoever!

enrique wrote:

... my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

Take the dare, you little wuss!

Only time any of those riders will be going i'n my team will be for specifics , ie ITT or GC contention ,none would be picked as breakaway riders simply based on thier values and popularity but by all means carry on and load your team with those above and crash and burn and blame it on the lack of transfers again if you like

chiv30 wrote:

enrique wrote:

chiv30 wrote:

... And judging on your finishing position in the Giro.......I'll ignore the breakaway advice you have given

Come to Papa, little chiv! I dare you not to put any (!), not one (!) of the riders at the end of my list (below) on your team for the Dauphine under any (!) circumstances for the entire race for any (!) reason! Any (!) whatsoever!

enrique wrote:

... my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

Take the dare, you little wuss!

Only time any of those riders will be going i'n my team will be for specifics , ie ITT or GC contention ,none would be picked as breakaway riders simply based on thier values and popularity but by all means carry on and load your team with those above and crash and burn and blame it on the lack of transfers again if you like

Got to agree with chiv30 on this one.....the 'break guys' you mention are far too expensive just to pick for that reason alone.

Chava can ITT and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Top10GC UNTIL that brutal stage 5......eminently pickable but NOT for breakaway reasons!!

Tivo is just coming back from injury,had an awful Tour of Belgium and is way too expensive for his current form.....plus he'd be marked anyway unless he's like 30minutes back come stage 5/7/8.

Rolland is an outside bet for podium overall but no more than that.....there are some r-e-a-l big boys here and he's just not worth the credits since his youth eligibility ran out.....and once again he'd be marked in any break(Malacarne may be the break guy on Europcar anyway).

DeGendt is a straight out GC guy and despite Westra being more expensive TDG will be the team leader and is actually pretty good value but once again not for breakaway points(and I don't count capers like his 2012 Giro stage win on Stelvio as a mere breakaway.....it was a STAGE WIN).......try Hoogerland instead for a cheaper break option from Vacansoleil.

Gerrans is a possibility for stage 1,3 and 6(his best bet) but will not be in any breaks as he'll be wanting to save energy for whatever he targets?

LuLu's not even riding.

Fedrigo may do something(no more likely than anyone else though in my view--he's hardly Amets Txurruka is he?) but at that sort of price there are far better picks who may score regularly(Cunego?)

I'll be looking at the cheap local guys for break points.

ray silvester wrote:

Got to agree with chiv30 on this one.....the 'break guys' you mention are far too expensive just to pick for that reason alone.

Chava can ITT and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Top10GC UNTIL that brutal stage 5......eminently pickable but NOT for breakaway reasons!!

Tivo is just coming back from injury,had an awful Tour of Belgium and is way too expensive for his current form.....plus he'd be marked anyway unless he's like 30minutes back come stage 5/7/8.

Rolland is an outside bet for podium overall but no more than that.....there are some r-e-a-l big boys here and he's just not worth the credits since his youth eligibility ran out.....and once again he'd be marked in any break(Malacarne may be the break guy on Europcar anyway).

DeGendt is a straight out GC guy and despite Westra being more expensive TDG will be the team leader and is actually pretty good value but once again not for breakaway points(and I don't count capers like his 2012 Giro stage win on Stelvio as a mere breakaway.....it was a STAGE WIN).......try Hoogerland instead for a cheaper break option from Vacansoleil.

Gerrans is a possibility for stage 1,3 and 6(his best bet) but will not be in any breaks as he'll be wanting to save energy for whatever he targets?

LuLu's not even riding.

Fedrigo may do something(no more likely than anyone else though in my view--he's hardly Amets Txurruka is he?) but at that sort of price there are far better picks who may score regularly(Cunego?)

I'll be looking at the cheap local guys for break points.

At least one point there was hopefully a star surprise pick for me JH .......

Still ty for the agreement

enrique wrote:

ray silvester wrote:

A lot of 30+ credit GC types are riding...

stumps wrote:

Spoilt for choice with the list of provisional starters so far... Had a quick guestimate and my team is around 250 points!... Cant wait

Hard not to see why!

Here's my preliminary list of the Top 20 GC riders for the Dauphine, based on the start lists available right now, in order of my projected final standing with their values according to the current 'Rankings' page:

40.0 Christopher Froome
40.0 Alberto Contador
26.5 Richie Porte
26.8 Nairo Quintana
40.0 Joaquin Rodriguez
16.7 Leopold Konig
28.8 Michal Kwiatkowski
40.0 Alejandro Valverde
28.4 Andrew Talansky
22.3 Michael Rogers
13.8 Kenny Elissonde
27.1 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
25.0 Damiano Caruso
21.6 Samuel Sanchez
30.3 Daniel Moreno
13.8 Daniel Navarro
3.0 Natnael Barhane
15.8 Jerome Coppel
19.2 Jakob Fuglsang
10.8 Damiano Cunego

Of course, the guys below may sneak in and probably will (!) be in the Top 20, too! But they're my picks for most points coming from a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
32.4 Luis Leon Sanchez
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

Gerrans?

No chance for GC....he'll be at least an hour down by the end....he'll be targetting stages 1,3 and 6

enrique wrote:

... the guys below [are] my picks for... a breakaway:

31.8 Pierre Rolland
34.2 Thomas Voeckler
19.9 Simon Gerrans
19.4 Thomas De Gendt
11.6 Pierrick Fedrigo
28.0 Sylvain Chavanel

Yay!

ray silvester wrote:

... Valverde with Quintana...

Wow! Who'll outclimb whom?...